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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford
Re: FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford
FTE Pre61 - Wiper Parts
FTE Pre61 - new to list
FTE Pre61 - flathead truck water pump
FTE Pre61 - overheating
Re: FTE Pre61 - Flat 8 Waterpumps
Re: FTE Pre61 - new to list
Re: FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford
Re: FTE Pre61 - Pop, No More Brakes
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users
FTE Pre61 - door locks?
Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating
Re: FTE Pre61 - door locks?
Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating
FTE Pre61 - generator problems, '54 F-100
FTE Pre61 - recirculating heater problems
Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:39:31 -0600
From: Winford_Rister oxy.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford

Kreig:
Of course the best method for all around satisfaction is full-open
communication.

If your wife doesn't love old Fords, work out a compromise. That means
you'll have to give something in return - maybe even first.

Short of that, here's a plan:

Have a close friend 'buy' the truck. Store it at your house for him. Have
him come over to check on it once in a while. 'Help him' work on it.
Surely you are allowed to help a friend out with such an important project.
Once the project shows some promise, that is, looks like something your wife
could accept, 'buy' it from him.

Winford Rister,
McKinney TX
reply to Winfordr aol.com (or fordf100 usa.com).


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:56:02 -0600
From: Troy McClung
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford

>Short of that, here's a plan:
>
>Have a close friend 'buy' the truck. Store it at your house for him. Have
>him come over to check on it once in a while. 'Help him' work on it.
>Surely you are allowed to help a friend out with such an important project.
>Once the project shows some promise, that is, looks like something your wife
>could accept, 'buy' it from him.


Wow, you guys are devious.

My wife cried when I brought my '59 home. That was her initial reaction,
now she loves it and can't wait to see some paint on it. (Although I did
have to buy her a new Xterra). It all works out eventially.

Troy McClung
'59 F-100 4x4

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:09:28 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Parts

I've got some catalogs at home that I know I've seen the parts you're looking
for. Otherwise, I could probably set you up with some if you don't need them
"perfect." We've got 13 trucks around my uncles property within this model/year
range.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:12:15 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - new to list

I had a 59 panel for years. 292 eng & trans were out of a 58 dump truck.
Used to haul our boat from FT. Lauderdale to the keys on weekends with no
trouble at all. 292's have lots of torque but run out of breath on the top
end (small valves & ports) This shouldn't be a concern for towing. The only
thing you might have to do is go with a 4 speed tranny with a granny low
gear. Stock rear gear for your truck would have been a 3.73 which should be
just about right if it's still original. Make sure trailer has GOOD brakes,
truck brakes will stop truck, but will overheat quickly if asked to stop
trailer too. Great to see another old truck being used instead of being a
piece of art. Good luck & enjoy.

John

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:30:03 -0800
From: Marilyn Boese
Subject: FTE Pre61 - flathead truck water pump

Reply to Stephen Hansen,
years ago we decided it wasnt worth the time/effort to rebuild the water
pumps. you can buy one from us for $61.45 exch, core $25. With our
complete machine shop its still not cost effective to rebuild them
ourselves. We have rebuilt them and other rebuilders we know have done
it, and it doesnt seem worthwhile for the effort. Now, they are on the
shelf ready to go, the rebuilds are good, and we're a lot happier.
Marilyn reds-headers.com


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:07:05 EST
From: DEADOAK aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - overheating

The flathead V8 in my 52 Mercury want take thermostats. It overheats when I
try to install them. Does anyone have a solution for this problem. I've
been told there are "compression washers" are some such thing to use that
work in place of the thermostats but I don't know anything about them.

Thanks
Charles Williams
deadoak aol.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:53:21 EST
From: RVoice2723 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Flat 8 Waterpumps

Stephen

Press them off. Easy enough to do. Be sure you support the pulley. As far
as rebuilding Vs buying new or rebuilt is up to you. With two old water
pumps in hand I can disassemble clean, rebuild, paint, and will have spent an
enjoyable afternoon doing so.

Bob from Mich.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:11:13 EST
From: ChargerGLHS142 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - new to list

I found a guy where i work selling a 460 JUST rebuilt, and a C6 that was also
rebuilt. I figured this engine and tranny combo should do nicely. I just
wonder how hard it will be to get that sucker to fit in there.

Brian
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:12:36 -0800
From: "Kreig McBride"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 38 Ford

Can't get much more up front than that. :-)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Winford_Rister oxy.com


>Kreig:
>Of course the best method for all around satisfaction is full-open
>communication.
>
>Short of that, here's a plan:
>Have a close friend 'buy' the truck. Store it at your house for him. Have
>him come over to check on it once in a while. 'Help him' work on it.
>Surely you are allowed to help a friend out with such an important project.
>Once the project shows some promise, that is, looks like something your
wife
>could accept, 'buy' it from him.
>
>Winford Rister,
>McKinney TX
>reply to Winfordr aol.com (or fordf100 usa.com).
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:31:32 -0800
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Pop, No More Brakes

Replys to various responses on this subject:

>Just as a guess, older brake light switches work off hydraulic pressure and
>are something like 1/8 NPT thread.

The brake light switch on a 72 Mustang is on the pedal--it's not
hydraulic. I tried plugging the hole with everything I've got laying
around, 1/8 3/16 tube and NPT fittings--nothing threads into it. I don't
think it's really threaded though--I think it's RIBBED to hold that plug
in. After hearing from some Mustang owners I'm thinking I just got a part
that was built by a dumbass.

>You need to look at how you have those brakes hooked up. 1967-1972 power
>disc master cylinders are all the same. Manual and power drum are not much
>different. There is not supposed to be any plastic on these or any other
>master cylinder where pressure is applied.

Using a half dozen sources (all consistent with each other) the only things
hooked to the master cylinder are the 2 brake lines. So that would mean
that somebody put that plug in there on purpose expecting it to
hold. Well, it did but only for a year and a half. Good thing I wasn't
going 75 when it blew.

Do you have both lines running
>from the master cylinder?

Yep.

Is there a place for one of the lines to tie in on
>the bottom of your master cyl?

Nope.

Do you have nine lives?

It's starting to look that way.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C--Varoooooom!
1992 Mustang --Self adjusting clutch? In 4 years I don't think it's ever
adjusted itself!

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:41:43 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users

Just a word of caution on the top sites feature, all
IP addresses are logged. Double votes will be removed
weekly to foil cheaters.

Ken Payne
Admin



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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:01:10 -0500
From: "Gemini"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - door locks?

I just bought a 54 Ford for a project truck and on reinspection noticed that
there is no inner door locks or a lock on the driver's door. I will readily
admit that this is my first early model truck project so....did the 54 come
with the pieces that I'm missing? If not, does anyone know why not? Oh, if
anyone knows where I can find a chrome front bumper, please let me know
where (old or new).
Thanks,
Michelle

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:55:13 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating

At 11:07 AM 11/08/1999 -0500, DEADOAK aol.com wrote:
>The flathead V8 in my 52 Mercury want take thermostats. It overheats when I
>try to install them. Does anyone have a solution for this problem. I've
>been told there are "compression washers" are some such thing to use that
>work in place of the thermostats but I don't know anything about them.

This is the source of much debate on the flathead list hosted at
onelist.com. The "compression washers" are usually just called flow
restrictors. They are just washers put into the radiator hoses, and you
keep drilling the center hole a little larger until the temperature reaches
the best temperature

Lots of people swear they work, but the simple physical model says they
shouldn't. The physical model says the more flow through the radiator, the
lower the operating temperature. It's easy to see that a thermostat might
restrict the flow too much, but more difficult to see why flow restrictors
would make the engine run cooler than with no thermostats and no
restrictions. The usual explanation, "the water doesn't stay in the
radiator long enough to cool off without the flow restrictors" ignores the
fact that it also doesn't stay in the engine long enough to heat up either.
It may be that without some restriction, the water goes in a jet through
the main radiator passages and doesn't flow through all of the radiator.
Other possibilities are reducing cavitation and air bubbles.

What sort of shape are your radiator, heads and engine block in? Flatheads
are notorious for trapping lots of sand in the water passages inside the
block, plus you may have 50 years or more of rust and scale.

Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:59:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - door locks?

Michelle:

For bumpers try Recks & Relics, 513-868-3489 or
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.choice.net/~truck.

Ed
55 effie

- --- Gemini wrote:
> I just bought a 54 Ford for a project truck and on
> reinspection noticed that
> there is no inner door locks or a lock on the
> driver's door. I will readily
> admit that this is my first early model truck
> project so....did the 54 come
> with the pieces that I'm missing? If not, does
> anyone know why not? Oh, if
> anyone knows where I can find a chrome front bumper,
> please let me know
> where (old or new).
> Thanks,
> Michelle
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:41:46 EST
From: DEADOAK aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating

Radiator was just rebuilt and works great without the thermostats. Maybe
I'll try the washers.

Thanks
Charles
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:59:04 -0500
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - generator problems, '54 F-100

Since I got my truck back from the body shop I have had some minor
electrical problems. I got a new battery but it didn't seem to be
charging completely. I replaced both battery cables thinking since they
are 45 yrs. old maybe they are corroded and not able to carry a full
load to start the truck or to fully charge the battery. They were
brittle and corroded under the old rubber insulation. But I still had
the same problems. Tonight I replaced the cable going from the starter
solenoid to the starter. The condition of this cable was worse than the
old battery cables. However, I don't think I have solved the problem.
Should I replace the ground cable from the starter? or do I have a
generator problem? In '54 the F-100's were given an idiot light for
the gen. and oil press. instead of a gauge, so I can't see how much it
is charging. Maybe this will help: when the headlights are on the gen.
light glows slightly when idling. When I rev the engine the gen. light
gets brighter. Do I have a generator problem?
Thanks, At the end of this week I will have some time to take it
down to my mechanic friend at the local gargage.
Abe
PS: BTW, I will not change to a 12 volt system.
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:20:03 -0500
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - recirculating heater problems

I need more help.
Earlier this year there was a thread about heater motors running
backwards. That is not my problem. I can't get mine to run. I want to
take out my heater to put in a new underdash firewall pad, but before I
do I want to make sure the heater works. It worked fine before the
truck went to the body shop. I connected the wires coming thru the
firewall and pulled the switch. It ran for a second then stopped. I made
sure the wires were making contact. I checked the ground. I checked the
frayed, brittle wires going from switch to heater. All OK, I think. I
will again check the wires from the ignition switch to the heater switch
since I put a new wiring harness in. If this is not the problem, where
can I go next? Or should I take out the heater, put in the underdash
pad and worry about getting the heater blower to run later. It is
starting to get cold here in PA and I will need the defrosters real
soon!!
ALSO, can you stockers help me out. I want to paint the heater while it
is out. I think it was painted black and gray or silver. Can any one
help me with the gray/silver color? (Remember, this is the cheapo,
recirculating heater, not the deluxe "Magic Aire" heater.) Also, if you
have any tips or suggestions for painting the heater, let me know.
Thanks, Abe
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:03:24 -0800
From: Dan Laray
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - overheating

This is a hot topic (pardon the pun) with all engines. But the circulation rate
does a direct bearing on the ability of heat exchange, which is what youa re
after. The entire environment that coolant travels through is heated, so the only
question is how much time it has to dissipate before re-entering the engine,
which again raises the base temperature of the coolant. I'm not familiar with the
layout of the flathead, but does the coolant also have to cool the trans fluid?
What type of radiator are you running?You might look into an external cooler that
is thermostat controlled.
Dan
56 F100

"Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote:

> At 11:07 AM 11/08/1999 -0500, DEADOAK aol.com wrote:
> >The flathead V8 in my 52 Mercury want take thermostats. It overheats when I
> >try to install them. Does anyone have a solution for this problem. I've
> >been told there are "compression washers" are some such thing to use that
> >work in place of the thermostats but I don't know anything about them.
>
> This is the source of much debate on the flathead list hosted at
> onelist.com. The "compression washers" are usually just called flow
> restrictors. They are just washers put into the radiator hoses, and you
> keep drilling the center hole a little larger until the temperature reaches
> the best temperature
>
> Lots of people swear they work, but the simple physical model says they
> shouldn't. The physical model says the more flow through the radiator, the
> lower the operating temperature. It's easy to see that a thermostat might
> restrict the flow too much, but more difficult to see why flow restrictors
> would make the engine run cooler than with no thermostats and no
> restrictions. The usual explanation, "the water doesn't stay in the
> radiator long enough to cool off without the flow restrictors" ignores the
> fact that it also doesn't stay in the engine long enough to heat up either.
> It may be that without some restriction, the water goes in a jet through
> the main radiator passages and doesn't flow through all of the radiator.
> Other possibilities are reducing cavitation and air bubbles.
>
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