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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Spring pins and Bushings
FTE Pre61 - transport
FTE Pre61 - C4 Transmission Speedo-cable
FTE Pre61 - Vehicle Insurance
FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61- '53-56 Radio/Speakers
FTE Pre61 - Re:50 F1 parts
FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Clip
FTE Pre61 - new to list
FTE Pre61 - - RE- Mustang II IFS
Re: FTE Pre61 - new to list
Re: FTE Pre61 - transport
Re: FTE Pre61 - transport
FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears
Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears
Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears
Re: FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61- '53-56 Radio/Speakers
Re: FTE Pre61 - transport
Re: FTE Pre61 - how to start eng without key??
Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:08:46 -0500
From: Marty Gatz
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Spring pins and Bushings

Thanks for the replies I went to a local spring shop he will have the parts
needed first of the week.
Marty 56 F350
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:29:58 -0500
From: billjhs
Subject: FTE Pre61 - transport

Hello to all,

I am looking to purchase a 51 pu from Corpus Christi, Texas. I am in New
Jersey and have been given quotes from 885 to over 1000 dollars to move
it. Any of you guys know a better and cheaper way to make the move??
Thanks
BIll

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:11:58 -0600
From: Winford_Rister oxy.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - C4 Transmission Speedo-cable

I installed a C4 transmission from a '70 Mustang in my 54 F100.
I am using an HO 5.0 Mustang EFI engine from my 92 GT.
I am using a Thunderbird steering column, with built-in cruise control in
the wheel.

The problem is that the 92 Mustang speedo-cable. Although it fits in the
transmission, the
housing is too big and covers the bolt hole for the clamp.

I want to keep the speed sensor so I can use the servo etc from the 92
mustang in the truck,
along with the built-in buttons in the steering wheel.

I want to stay with a mechanical speedometer but keep the speed sensor in
the cable.

Any ideas, sources of custom cables, etc?

PS - Yes it will all work. I was able it fire up the engine, using the
ignition/starter switch without hot-wiring anything, including the fuel
pump!


Fordf100 usa.com (winfordr aol.com)

54F100 - MII IFS HO 5.0/C4
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:01:42 EST
From: PBRUHN aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Vehicle Insurance

There are several agencies listed in Hemmings Motor News that specialize in
old cars and trucks - I have my '52 F1 insured with Taylor's. You determine
value, send pix, etc. - also you can pick coverages, etc. - really
reasonable for club and maintenance driving kinds of vehicles. Bruno
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:17:17 -0600
From: "Whiteman, Bob"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61- '53-56 Radio/Speakers

I know there were several conversations awhile back about looking for OEM
radios. If anyone is still interested, there was an ad in the paper this
morning for one in good condition w/speakers for $125. If anyone is
interested in the phone number, you can E-mail me off list and I can get it
for you.

Also, I never got a response to my question about "bolt in" brake pedal
assemblies for anyone who had done the Ch***ler swap. I was curious if any
of you found patterns/applications that worked well without a lot of
fabrication.

Thanks,
Bob
'53 Ford



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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:39:24 -0500
From: hwillms ca.ibm.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re:50 F1 parts

I beleive the'50 parts you need (ign switch etc.) are all the same between
48-50. They should be readily available as I ordered new ones when I
rebuilt my truck.

What exactly is your concern with the oil dipstick?

Henry Willms


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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:13:58 -0800
From: GUYETTE Phillip
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Clip

I'm about ready to replace the stock front axle on my '52 F1 and am leaning
toward a Volare' clip. Can anyone give me the exact width (as compared to
the stock axle)? I'm concerned about how the wheels/tires will look in the
fenderwells.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:35:22 EST
From: ChargerGLHS142 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - new to list

Hi,

I'm new to this list, and I just wanted to say it is nice to see other
old Ford Truck enthusiasts. I have a 58 F100, that I bought at the all Ford
Nationals at Carlisle this past summer. Looks to me like it is around 95%
done, i still need a few odds and ends. The Generator needs rebuilt i think,
although i was told to polarize it first. It has a 292 3 speed on the tree,
and it is fun to drive, i do however have a few questions.
1 Do all these trucks sway back and forth when you hit a bump, when i hit one
it's anyone's guess as to which way it will veer.
2. we bought this truck to pull a horse trailer, small 2 horse trailer, will
a 292 do it, if not i may drop in a 302 HO out of a newer mustang.

Thanks for you're time

Brian Achey & Ann Bates
87 Shelby CHarger GLHS #142
96 Ford Mustang GT Convertible
58 Ford F100 "Gus"
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:15:07 -0800
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - - RE- Mustang II IFS

I got a few quires off list about the Dakota IFS. Following is what I know:

The name of the company that produces the kit is Industrial Chassis they are
in Scottsdale AZ. The number is 602 278-6800. There is an article in the
April 1998 Petersen's Custom Classic Trucks about their installation.

About a year ago I talked to them on the phone and they will sell you all
the Dakota parts or suggested doing what they do and having a wreaking yard
cut the frame of a Dakota at the firewall and buy that. That way you're
sure to get all the parts you need. You do not use any of the Dakota frame
just the upper and lower A arms, springs, spindles, rack and pinion etc.
Also the older Dakotas are the same 5 bold lug pattern as Ford. They also
said you could get a 6 bolt pattern Dakota and buy the 5 bolt rotors new to
use them with no problem.

I did a lot of data gathering last year to determine the cost and benefits
of all the options. The Industrial Chassis Dodge Dakota solution while not
the cheapest way to go seemed to be the most cost effective overall with my
goal in mind. My goals are to still have a vehicle I can use as a truck and
get power steering and disk brakes. IFS is just an added bonus form me.
Also the Dakota rack and pinion steering has an internal pressure metering
valve that will allow you to use the PS pump that fits stock with your
engine, this I feel will save a lot of headaches.

I have nothing against the Mustang II kits as a rule its just that the
research I did pointed to the Dakota solution being better overall for my
goals.
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:32:01 -0600
From: Troy McClung
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - new to list

Excellent, Another member in the "ugly-truck" group. My 59 4x4 is very
tight in the bumps. In fact it will knock your teeth out. I have very
heavy springs on mine, however.
Troy
59 f-100 4x4




At 12:35 PM 11/4/99 EST, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
> I'm new to this list, and I just wanted to say it is nice to see
other
>old Ford Truck enthusiasts. I have a 58 F100, that I bought at the all Ford
>Nationals at Carlisle this past summer. Looks to me like it is around 95%
>done, i still need a few odds and ends. The Generator needs rebuilt i think,
>although i was told to polarize it first. It has a 292 3 speed on the tree,
>and it is fun to drive, i do however have a few questions.
>1 Do all these trucks sway back and forth when you hit a bump, when i hit
one
>it's anyone's guess as to which way it will veer.
>2. we bought this truck to pull a horse trailer, small 2 horse trailer, will
>a 292 do it, if not i may drop in a 302 HO out of a newer mustang.
>
>Thanks for you're time
>
>Brian Achey & Ann Bates
>87 Shelby CHarger GLHS #142
>96 Ford Mustang GT Convertible
>58 Ford F100 "Gus"
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:17:15 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transport

That is a good price. I had a friend of mine take a trailer from Boston to
Gulfport MS to pick one up for me and it cost over a grand.
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From: billjhs
To: pre61-list fordtrucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 7:35 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - transport


>Hello to all,
>
>I am looking to purchase a 51 pu from Corpus Christi, Texas. I am in New
>Jersey and have been given quotes from 885 to over 1000 dollars to move
>it. Any of you guys know a better and cheaper way to make the move??
>Thanks
>BIll
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:31:27 EST
From: DEADOAK aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transport

I just drove my 52 Mercury home and it cost me about $1400 for the 2100 mile
trip. So a $1000 doesn't sound too bad to me.

Charles Williams
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:52:33 +1300
From: Clive Pedersen - CSERVNZ
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears

With a lot of subscribers having changed to a 9" diff, I was wondering if
there are any people out there who ARE HAPPY driving with the standard 3.9
diff ratio.

If there is , what size radial tires are they using as I am going to stick
with the standard diff. The last owner put 15" rims on with 60 series tires
which makes the motor rev. Luckily I've found some bronco rims that are the
right stud pattern and are 7" wide so I can put some wider tires on.

I look forward to hearing from the stock diff guys.


Clive Pedersen
Auckland, New Zealand
55 F100 Panel ( 1 of 2 US panels in NZ I think)
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:07:09 EST
From: DALSTEV aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears

Wider tires will have no effect whatsoever. You need "higher" tires to change
the ratio. 75 series tires will help a little over the 60s. The best bet is
to either find some gears in the 3: 20 range or adept an overdrive tail shaft
to the transmission.
G
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:42:53 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears

Original post had:




one response was:
> Wider tires will have no effect whatsoever. You need "higher" tires to
change

Actually wider tires will make a difference, but it's true the difference
will be caused by them being 'higher.'
Aspect 'ratios' ( the 60, or 78, or whatever in tire size) are just that,
ratios. They're nominally the ratio of the sidewall height to the tire width
(or is it treadwidth?). So if you had the same aspect ratio, a wider tire
would be taller.
But unless they're REAL wide, which they won't be on a 7" rim, 60 series
tires just don't look right to me in relation to the fenderwells, unless the
truck is lowered.
The concept that you need higher, or taller, tires to affect the rpms is
correct, so you probably need to go to a higher aspect ratio. Further
explanation is available on any of the tire manufacturer sites, notably
Dunlop.

And, the basic question of the original post is whether some of us like
the 3.91 gears. I don't, I keep my aging flathead under 50mph, and I don't
like that speed much. On the other hand, I had a set of Chrylser 2.73 gears
behind a flathead once, and it wouldn't get out of its own way. The
originals seem plenty strong to me, I ran a 375 hp 396 Ch for 17 years with
the original '56 F100 Panel rear end, and it stayed in one piece.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:48:25 -0500
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61- '53-56 Radio/Speakers

Try RB Obsolete.
Latest issue of Classic Truck has a big article on a project
they are currently restoring, a '48 Chevy.
RB Obsolete says they have many bolt in kits with minimum drilling required.
I've never used them, just saw the article & thought it was interesting.
BR
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From: Whiteman, Bob
To: 'pre61-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:24 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61- '53-56 Radio/Speakers


>I know there were several conversations awhile back about looking for OEM
>radios. If anyone is still interested, there was an ad in the paper this
>morning for one in good condition w/speakers for $125. If anyone is
>interested in the phone number, you can E-mail me off list and I can get it
>for you.
>
>Also, I never got a response to my question about "bolt in" brake pedal
>assemblies for anyone who had done the Ch***ler swap. I was curious if any
>of you found patterns/applications that worked well without a lot of
>fabrication.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>'53 Ford
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:12:22 -0500
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transport

I went to North Carolina, from the Florida panhandle, w/ a friend in his
truck to make a pick upof a pick up
We bought a '67 Chevy that I hooked a rented one way dolly to & hauled back
a '50 F-1.
We rented another dolly for behind his truck( 4 cyl Toyota, 5speed) & pulled
back a '58 Chevy pickup.
A rear wheel came off the '58.
That was the only real trouble, but a 2 day trip turned into 4 days.
Cost was around $800. The experience was priceless.
Next time I went to far North Georgia w/ a trailer & brought back a '52 F-1.
Cost about &220 for 2 people.
The next weekend I went back to Augusta, Ga & picked up a '49 F-1 & a spare
8BA engine.
I went up by myself, loaded up & started the return trip at 11:30 pm.
I drove straight thru, so no motel cost this time. Total cost less than
$100.
AND the experience was priceless.
I almost forgot, my wife & I went to Birmingham, Al. with a trailer behind
the just finished '67 Chevy.
Repainted, new tires & wheels, totally redone.
Loaded up a '51 F-1 in downpour & made it to Montgomery, Al.
Got hit slam in the middle of the right front wheel. No collision ins. Total
cost -----$$$$$$$$ MUCHO!!!
Experience sucked.
Had to use AAA tow home. That cost $300 and took about forever.
I could have skipped that one.
Bill
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From: DEADOAK aol.com
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transport


>I just drove my 52 Mercury home and it cost me about $1400 for the 2100
mile
>trip. So a $1000 doesn't sound too bad to me.
>
>Charles Williams
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:43:55 -0800
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - how to start eng without key??

>I have been working on the flathead V8 for the 1950 ford and am thinking
>about trying to spin the engine over. I do not have a key for the ignition.

Keys are overrated.

>1 How do I make the connection for the starter to engage?

If pressing the starter button doesn't work then you need to find some way
of getting electricity from the battery terminal of the solenoid to the
starter terminal (left terminal on the solenoid). A remote starter is a
good way to do it, but if you don't have one you could substitute a heavy
wire (wear gloves though I don't want to be responsible for any accidental
electrical burns--those suckers HURT!) or you might be able to convince a
screwdriver to join the two. My best advice would be to try to make the
starter button work though.

>2 How do I make a connection for the ignition to make her run?

Run a wire from the battery or the battery terminal of the solenoid to the
negative terminal of the ignition coil. Of course that assumes that you
still have a positive ground system. If you don't then connect the wire to
the positive side.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C--Varoooooom!
1992 Mustang --Self adjusting clutch? In 4 years I don't think it's ever
adjusted itself!

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:29:08 -0800
From: Dan Laray
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Standard Gears

I'm happy with it except that I have an AOD and it shifts about 25mph too soon.
Anyone know the fix for this ? I'm using 70 series 15" 255 out back and 225 in
front.
Dan
56 F100

Clive Pedersen - CSERVNZ wrote:

> With a lot of subscribers having changed to a 9" diff, I was wondering if
> there are any people out there who ARE HAPPY driving with the standard 3.9
> diff ratio.
>
> If there is , what size radial tires are they using as I am going to stick
> with the standard diff. The last owner put 15" rims on with 60 series tires
> which makes the motor rev. Luckily I've found some bronco rims that are the
> right stud pattern and are 7" wide so I can put some wider tires on.
>
> I look forward to hearing from the stock diff guys.
>
> Clive Pedersen
> Auckland, New Zealand
> 55 F100 Panel ( 1 of 2 US panels in NZ I think)
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