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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Early Ford Disk Brake conversions
RE: FTE Pre61 - Early Ford Disk Brake conversions
FTE Pre61 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts on FordNews.Com
Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared
FTE Pre61 - Wiring
RE: FTE Pre61 - low geared
FTE Pre61 - Re: New body for my Ranger
Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared

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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 06:42:29 -0400
From: Coca Cola Cowboy
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Early Ford Disk Brake conversions

> Does anyone know where I can get a play-by-play on how to install
disc
> brakes on my 59 F-100 4x4? I don't mean to sound like a broken
record, but
> I am finally committed to doing the conversion (it took a sail
through 4
> lanes of traffic to convince me). Thanks in advance.
>
I sent this the other day with the Master Cylinder Conversion
instructions but forgot to add a subject line so it was rejected. Here
it is again:

Installation Instructions for Ford/early Ford Disc brake Conversion Kit:

Please read these Instructions completely prior to Installation

This kit is designed to use the following rotors and caplipers and the
inner and outer wheel bearings used in the rotors as originally
installed on the passenger car.

ROTORS:
76-81 Aspen, Diplomat, Volare
73-74 Barracuda
73-75 Belvedere, GTX, Satellite, Sebring
73-76 Valiant, Duster, Scamp
77-81 Lebaron
80-81 Cordoba

CALIPERS:
76-77 Buick Apollo 73-76 Oldsmobile Cutlass
73-76 Buick Skylark 75-77 Oldsmobile Omega
77 Buick Regal 70-77 Pontiac Firebird
75-77 Cadillac Seville 73-77 Pontiac Grand Prix
70-77 Chevrolet Camaro 75-77 Pontiac Ventura
73-76 Chevrolet Chevelle 71-77 Chevrolet El Camino
73-77 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 71-77 GMC Sprint
77 Chevrolet Nova
This is only a partial listing of applicable models. Ask your local
parts person if you are not sure.

1.) Remove early Ford drums, brakes, and backing plates from spindles.
Make sure you retain the bearing nut and keyed washer.

2.) Thouroughly clean grease and dirt from spindle. Check for cracks
or damage.

3.) Using the hardware supplied in the kit, install the caliper
mounting bracket on the REAR surface of the spindle using the spacers
BETWEEN the spindle and mounting bracket. DO NOT omit the spacers as
they are essential to the proper allignment of the bracket. If round
spindles are being used check for adequate clearance between the spindle
and bracket. FILE BRACKET if necessary. The bracket may be installed
so the caliper is forward or rearward of the spindle centerline.
REARWARD INSTALLATION IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

4.) Check for adequate steering travel. If bracket hits king pin lock
bolt reverse lock bolt or trim as required.

5.) Examine the inner wheel bearing seating area on the spindle for
nicks, etc. Emery cloth area as required for a smooth surface.

6.) Slide bearing adapter on spindle and drive into place using a
hammer and a piece of tubing or pipe of suitable dimensions (1 1/2" pipe
works great). DO NOT DAMAGE THE ADAPTER WHILE INSTALLING (use a rag for
padding between tool and adapter). Drive adapter on until it seats
firmly against spindle inner bearing shoulder.

7.) Remove the grease seal from the rotor. Thoroughly clean and
inspect bearings and races. Repack with grease and re-install iner
bearing. Install a new front grease seal from a 69-82 Corvette
(National # 9406S) into rotor.

8.) Install rotor on spindle making sure that inner bearing seats all
the way onto bearing adapter.
NOTE: Bearings ans adapters are machined to a + or - .0005 tolerance.
If bearing does not slide onto adapter easily it may be due to tolerance
"stack-up". This can be rectified bya small amount of fine emery
"paper-work" on the bearing seating surface of the adapter.

9.) Install the outer wheel bearing followed by the stock Ford keyed
bearing retaining washer and retaining nut. Adjust bearings as required
and install cotter key and bearing dust cover.

10.) Clean and inspect caliper for damage, leaks, etc. Install caliper
on mounting bracket WITH BLEEDER FITTING UP using stock G.M. mounting
bolts. Make sure the bolts aren't bent or damaged before installing.

11.) Fill the brake system with the correct fluid, bleed and inspect
for leaks.

12.) Check for any brake caliper/rotor/wheel interference.

13.) A proportioning valve may be required. *

A WORD TO THE WISE -

You now have a front braking system far superior to the original
installation. Because of this, it is strongly advised that the front
end supporting and locating system be adequate to absorb the increased
braking loads. Since normal braking action may tend to spread the
forward edges of the front tires apart it is essential that you check
for bent tie rods at suitable intervals. This "spreading" of the front
wheels results in a compressive type of loading on the tie rod and any
"built in" bend may cause tie rod failure under severe braking.

* NOTE In order to provide correct front to rear braking balance, we
suggest using a dual reservoir disc/drum type master cylinder compatable
with the vehicle from which the front brakes were obtained.

These instructions were provided with the Kit that I installed on my
truck. If you are unsure about your ability to complete this
installation safely, please contact your mechanic for help. I can
answer some of your questions via email concerning this conversion,

I recommend that you also upgrade the master cylinder as noted in the
above instructions.

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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:00:44 -0500
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Early Ford Disk Brake conversions

These look like the instructions from Engineered Components for putting disc
brakes on the stock front spindles on a rear wheel drive. I don't think they
are going to work on a 4 X 4.
Mike Morton
55 F100/460

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coca Cola Cowboy [SMTP:cocacolacowboy netzero.net]
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 5:42 AM
> To: Pre-61 Ford truck list
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Early Ford Disk Brake conversions
>
> > Does anyone know where I can get a play-by-play on how to install
> disc
> > brakes on my 59 F-100 4x4? I don't mean to sound like a broken
> record, but
> > I am finally committed to doing the conversion (it took a sail
> through 4
> > lanes of traffic to convince me). Thanks in advance.
> >
> I sent this the other day with the Master Cylinder Conversion
> instructions but forgot to add a subject line so it was rejected. Here
> it is again:
>
> Installation Instructions for Ford/early Ford Disc brake Conversion Kit:
>
> Please read these Instructions completely prior to Installation
>
> This kit is designed to use the following rotors and caplipers and the
> inner and outer wheel bearings used in the rotors as originally
> installed on the passenger car.
>
> ROTORS:
> 76-81 Aspen, Diplomat, Volare
> 73-74 Barracuda
> 73-75 Belvedere, GTX, Satellite, Sebring
> 73-76 Valiant, Duster, Scamp
> 77-81 Lebaron
> 80-81 Cordoba
>
> CALIPERS:
> 76-77 Buick Apollo 73-76 Oldsmobile Cutlass
> 73-76 Buick Skylark 75-77 Oldsmobile Omega
> 77 Buick Regal 70-77 Pontiac Firebird
> 75-77 Cadillac Seville 73-77 Pontiac Grand Prix
> 70-77 Chevrolet Camaro 75-77 Pontiac Ventura
> 73-76 Chevrolet Chevelle 71-77 Chevrolet El Camino
> 73-77 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 71-77 GMC Sprint
> 77 Chevrolet Nova
> This is only a partial listing of applicable models. Ask your local
> parts person if you are not sure.
>
> 1.) Remove early Ford drums, brakes, and backing plates from spindles.
> Make sure you retain the bearing nut and keyed washer.
>
> 2.) Thouroughly clean grease and dirt from spindle. Check for cracks
> or damage.
>
> 3.) Using the hardware supplied in the kit, install the caliper
> mounting bracket on the REAR surface of the spindle using the spacers
> BETWEEN the spindle and mounting bracket. DO NOT omit the spacers as
> they are essential to the proper allignment of the bracket. If round
> spindles are being used check for adequate clearance between the spindle
> and bracket. FILE BRACKET if necessary. The bracket may be installed
> so the caliper is forward or rearward of the spindle centerline.
> REARWARD INSTALLATION IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
>
> 4.) Check for adequate steering travel. If bracket hits king pin lock
> bolt reverse lock bolt or trim as required.
>
> 5.) Examine the inner wheel bearing seating area on the spindle for
> nicks, etc. Emery cloth area as required for a smooth surface.
>
> 6.) Slide bearing adapter on spindle and drive into place using a
> hammer and a piece of tubing or pipe of suitable dimensions (1 1/2" pipe
> works great). DO NOT DAMAGE THE ADAPTER WHILE INSTALLING (use a rag for
> padding between tool and adapter). Drive adapter on until it seats
> firmly against spindle inner bearing shoulder.
>
> 7.) Remove the grease seal from the rotor. Thoroughly clean and
> inspect bearings and races. Repack with grease and re-install iner
> bearing. Install a new front grease seal from a 69-82 Corvette
> (National # 9406S) into rotor.
>
> 8.) Install rotor on spindle making sure that inner bearing seats all
> the way onto bearing adapter.
> NOTE: Bearings ans adapters are machined to a + or - .0005 tolerance.
> If bearing does not slide onto adapter easily it may be due to tolerance
> "stack-up". This can be rectified bya small amount of fine emery
> "paper-work" on the bearing seating surface of the adapter.
>
> 9.) Install the outer wheel bearing followed by the stock Ford keyed
> bearing retaining washer and retaining nut. Adjust bearings as required
> and install cotter key and bearing dust cover.
>
> 10.) Clean and inspect caliper for damage, leaks, etc. Install caliper
> on mounting bracket WITH BLEEDER FITTING UP using stock G.M. mounting
> bolts. Make sure the bolts aren't bent or damaged before installing.
>
> 11.) Fill the brake system with the correct fluid, bleed and inspect
> for leaks.
>
> 12.) Check for any brake caliper/rotor/wheel interference.
>
> 13.) A proportioning valve may be required. *
>
> A WORD TO THE WISE -
>
> You now have a front braking system far superior to the original
> installation. Because of this, it is strongly advised that the front
> end supporting and locating system be adequate to absorb the increased
> braking loads. Since normal braking action may tend to spread the
> forward edges of the front tires apart it is essential that you check
> for bent tie rods at suitable intervals. This "spreading" of the front
> wheels results in a compressive type of loading on the tie rod and any
> "built in" bend may cause tie rod failure under severe braking.
>
> * NOTE In order to provide correct front to rear braking balance, we
> suggest using a dual reservoir disc/drum type master cylinder compatable
> with the vehicle from which the front brakes were obtained.
>
> These instructions were provided with the Kit that I installed on my
> truck. If you are unsure about your ability to complete this
> installation safely, please contact your mechanic for help. I can
> answer some of your questions via email concerning this conversion,
>
> I recommend that you also upgrade the master cylinder as noted in the
> above instructions.
>
> __________________________________________
> NetZero - Defenders of the Free World
> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:27:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts on FordNews.Com

Check out the write-up on Ford Truck Enthusiasts done
by FordNews.com. This weekend their site is featuring
articles about Ford trucks and they have a free
screen saver available.

Steve Blake has given Ford Truck Enthusiasts some
great press lately. Please stop by his site and check
it out.

Thanks,
Ken Payne


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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:32:39 MST
From: "Jeff Thomas"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared

Hi, Dan, the easiest way I know of would be exchanging the stock rear end
with a nine-inch from a passenger car. I used a '65 T-bird's, only needed to
grind off old spring perches, weld on new to match truck. Using a car's
(rather than another truck's) will get you "highway gears" (mine's 3.00:1,
unfortunatly not Traction-Loc).
Good luck!

Jeff T '56 FE-100


>From: MilFam3 aol.com
>Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - low geared
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:23:15 EDT
>
>i too would be interested in knowning the best & cheaper way of lowering my
>rpms when going down the highway. have 56 f-100 with 302 with c-4 trans
>with
>shift kit & stock rearend with gearing unknown. she takes off well from
>stop
>lights but tends to wind up going at 55-65 higher rpms then i'd like. so
>if
>anyone has any suggestions please let me hear from you. thanks DAN still
>56
>and loven it!
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:50:18 -0500
From: "Steve Schnitz"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wiring

Hi could someone please send a list of places i can order new wiring for my
1948 F-1.
I would like it to look orginal. Thanks. cocacolakid ldr.coolsky.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:30:51 -0500
From: "Wolfe, Jim"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - low geared

I to used 65 t_bird on my 50 f1 works great.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Thomas [SMTP:jbt56 hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 4:33 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared
>
> Hi, Dan, the easiest way I know of would be exchanging the stock rear end
> with a nine-inch from a passenger car. I used a '65 T-bird's, only needed
> to
> grind off old spring perches, weld on new to match truck. Using a car's
> (rather than another truck's) will get you "highway gears" (mine's 3.00:1,
>
> unfortunatly not Traction-Loc).
> Good luck!
>
> Jeff T '56 FE-100
>
>
> >From: MilFam3 aol.com
> >Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> >To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> >Subject: FTE Pre61 - low geared
> >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:23:15 EDT
> >
> >i too would be interested in knowning the best & cheaper way of lowering
> my
> >rpms when going down the highway. have 56 f-100 with 302 with c-4 trans
> >with
> >shift kit & stock rearend with gearing unknown. she takes off well from
> >stop
> >lights but tends to wind up going at 55-65 higher rpms then i'd like. so
>
> >if
> >anyone has any suggestions please let me hear from you. thanks DAN still
>
> >56
> >and loven it!
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:25:46 -0400
From: Robert B Michels
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: New body for my Ranger

Hi. I love this digest!!!
I am working on my 49 F1 Rod. Almost all of it is professionally done, but the
way I want it. As I near completion of this five year frame off redo, I have been
thinking of dolng something with my 91 Ranger. Several months back I saw an ad in
a magazine about a 36 or 38 Pickup fiberglass body that went on a 91 Ranger
frame. Darned if I can find it again. Has anyone else seen this and now the mfg??
Any info would be appreciated.

"Mike"

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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:35:36 -0500
From: "Andy Montebello"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared

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- ----------
>From: "Wolfe, Jim"
>To: "'pre61-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - low geared
>Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999, 6:30 PM
>

> I to used 65 t_bird on my 50 f1 works great.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Thomas [SMTP:jbt56 hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 4:33 PM
>> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - low geared
>>
>> Hi, Dan, the easiest way I know of would be exchanging the stock rear end
>> with a nine-inch from a passenger car. I used a '65 T-bird's, only needed
>> to
>> grind off old spring perches, weld on new to match truck. Using a car's
>> (rather than another truck's) will get you "highway gears" (mine's 3.00:1,
>>
>> unfortunatly not Traction-Loc).
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jeff T '56 FE-100
>>
>>
>> >From: MilFam3 aol.com
>> >Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>> >To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>> >Subject: FTE Pre61 - low geared
>> >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:23:15 EDT
>> >
>> >i too would be interested in knowning the best & cheaper way of lowering
>> my
>> >rpms when going down the highway. have 56 f-100 with 302 with c-4 trans
>> >with
>> >shift kit & stock rearend with gearing unknown. she takes off well from
>> >stop
>> >lights but tends to wind up going at 55-65 higher rpms then i'd like. so
>>
>> >if
>> >anyone has any suggestions please let me hear from you. thanks DAN still
>>
>> >56
>> >and loven it!
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