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pre61-list-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 293



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims
FTE Pre61 - volarie front end swap
Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims
Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Sentimental Value/Just like new
FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod
Re: FTE Pre61 - volarie front end swap
FTE Pre61 - 52 merc
Re: Re: FTE Pre61 - Chat
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people
FTE Pre61 - Chat room
FTE Pre61 - 48 Flathead Color
FTE Pre61 - test, resending
Re: FTE Pre61 - Chat
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod
Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:37:57 -0700
From: "Kreig McBride"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims

Well that makes me think that the 1950 is an F-3 as it has 17" rims.
Don't see a designator anywhere on the truck. My 1952 has "F-2" on the hood
chrome piece. Maybe I will have to go out and look abit harder on the 1950.

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From: Gary L. Perry
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims


>I checked my 49-52 Ford shop manual and it shows in spec. pages:
> F-2's having 16" tires, 6.50 standard, 7.00 and 7.50 optional.
> F-3's having 17" tires 7.00 standard, 7.50 optional with some
> having more ply ratings. These are also 2-pc. wheels, split
> in center. No tire stores will change these wheels, called
> "suicide rims" because of insurance coverage for splitting
> when filled with air. They ARE a bear to change by hand,
> I have done some. Best bet is to sandblast wheel with
> tire on them and repaint and use as is if tires aren't
> real bad shape.
> "G"
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:29:36 +0200
From: "Greg Schnakenberg"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - volarie front end swap

Hey there, can anybody tell me, or direct me to a site that discribes in
graphic detail how the process goes on swapping the mopar frontend on an
F100? I want to see pictures, for i dont even know how one looks. I
appreciate any help you can give, for this is one that i have not had the
pleasure to see in person, and will not see here in europe in the near
future im sure.

thanks, and please excuse the interuption from all the philosophying about
grandpa's frame mud, and rocket engine swaps

thanks, Greg, '61 stepside (flaresides are are on trucks without running
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:26:45 -0400
From: "sam fugate"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims

According to MY trusty FORD F SERIES owners manual
F1 tire sizes are 600 x 16-5
600 x 16-6
650 x 16-6

F2 tire sizes are 650 x 16-6
700 x 16-6
750 x16-6
F3's all 17 " tires except for Parcel delivery trucks with 104" WB which
use 700 x 16-6
750 x 16-6

Keep in mind though I am quoting from the 1951 Owners Manual. I wouldn't
think the earlier ones would be any different.

Hope this helps
Sam I AM
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From: Kreig McBride
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims


>Well that makes me think that the 1950 is an F-3 as it has 17" rims.
>Don't see a designator anywhere on the truck. My 1952 has "F-2" on the hood
>chrome piece. Maybe I will have to go out and look abit harder on the 1950.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary L. Perry
>To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:23 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims
>
>
>>I checked my 49-52 Ford shop manual and it shows in spec. pages:
>> F-2's having 16" tires, 6.50 standard, 7.00 and 7.50
optional.
>> F-3's having 17" tires 7.00 standard, 7.50 optional with some
>> having more ply ratings. These are also 2-pc. wheels, split
>> in center. No tire stores will change these wheels, called
>> "suicide rims" because of insurance coverage for splitting
>> when filled with air. They ARE a bear to change by hand,
>> I have done some. Best bet is to sandblast wheel with
>> tire on them and repaint and use as is if tires aren't
>> real bad shape.
>> "G"
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:54:04 EDT
From: Albec99 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims

Check your rear springs I believe the F3 will have ten leafs also your vin #
contains the model of your truck
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:53:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Sentimental Value/Just like new

I agree with restoring it to like new condition. You
will remember your uncle every time you sit in the old
gal. It's your truck, restore it, remember your
uncle, and when you drive that baby around he will be
right there with you!!!

- --- PWPTRUCK1 aol.com wrote:
>
> Wow, we do have a lot to say don't we?
> If your Unc's truck was really sentimental, you
> would just get it running
> and leave it the way he left it. Dirt and all.
> Anything you restore or
> clean up, you are removing part of him. If you
> really did anything for
> sentiment, you would encapsulate it in his memory.
> Do you even remember how
> it looked when he bought it new?
>
> Mel
> First off, yes, we do have a lot to say. You missed
> the whole point of my
> letter. I am bringing this truck back to its
> original condition when he
> bought it new. I don't think dirt and rust would be
> found on a new vehicle,
> would it? I am very much aware of what this truck
> looked like when he bought
> it. That's where old family photo albums come in. I
> don't think that taking
> off the years of rust and dirt on this truck is
> removing any part of my
> Uncle's memory. Besides, I am doing this for my
> satisfaction, and the way I
> want to remember him.
>
> Paul
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:13:45 EDT
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod

In a message dated 10/10/1999 2:46:17 AM, you wrote:


Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Sentimental Value/Just like new

Mel and others,

All though I prefer the stock trucks I agree with Mel that whatever makes
you feel good is OK. I just have some difficulty taking a completely stock
truck and taking out the engine, transmission, interior, suspension, wheels,
gages, etc. Basically you are useing an old shell on a new chassis. Might as
well buy a new truck.
Kreig
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>>

Kreig,
Well, if one was to find an almost perfect 40+ year old vehicle and it didn't
need anything but a wax job and a tank of gas, I think you are right.
However, that ain't the case. Everything has to be redone on most anything
that old, so it doesn't matter if you improve/rod/replace or whatever, you
are going to have an "old shell on a new chassis". I don't think I would rod
a perfect 34 Ford, even though I would be tempted. Maybe "Resto-rod" and
make sure I could take it back to stock if needed. But when we get right
down to it, we are making new cars/trucks out of old ones when we restore to
stock or rod. That doesn't mean we should go down and buy a new car/truck
instead of building our own. No pleasure there!!
Mel
1953 f100
1934 5w
1934 Roadster
1970 El Camino

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:21:46 -0400
From: Tkaczyk
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - volarie front end swap

Greg,
No Limit Engineering has a video with complete details for grafting an
Aspen/Volare front end onto an F100. Item T130, $34.95, telephone number
1-888-297-6032. Hope this helps.
Gary in Connecticut

Greg Schnakenberg wrote:

> Hey there, can anybody tell me, or direct me to a site that discribes in
> graphic detail how the process goes on swapping the mopar frontend on an
> F100? I want to see pictures, for i dont even know how one looks. I
> appreciate any help you can give, for this is one that i have not had the
> pleasure to see in person, and will not see here in europe in the near
> future im sure.
>
> thanks, and please excuse the interuption from all the philosophying about
> grandpa's frame mud, and rocket engine swaps
>
> thanks, Greg, '61 stepside (flaresides are are on trucks without running
> boards!)
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 52 merc

I've found a 52 merc and the # on the frame is: MDA83AHP11957 Can
anyone tell me if this is really a merc from the #. I think that I
also have the # on the glove box door.
Scott

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:32:43 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Re: FTE Pre61 - Chat

At 05:11 AM 10/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:19:55 EDT
>From: J41Ford aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Chat
>
>New to the club.. where is the chat room??
>Joe


Go to the web site, click "Chat" at the top of
the page.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:03:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people

Hi gang,

Many of you may remember when author Judy Scott was
looking for people willing to write up stories of
their Ford truck memories. I just received an email
from her requesting a favor. Following is the request....
- -Ken Payne

ToughTales author, Judy Scott, needs to hear from the following contributors but does not have current email addresses for them. If you see your name on this list, please respond to jscott bancom.net:
.RIch Yeoman
.Martin Clarke
.Karel Cromback
.Tom Lopez
.Christine Oxford
. Dr. Rico

Thanks,

Judy Scott

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:01:08 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Chat room

I have tried it about 20 times, and 19 times found noone there.

Paul
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Whitmore
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 48 Flathead Color

Does anyone have information on Bonus Built truck
original engine colors? I would like to know the
original engine paint color for 48 trucks. I am not
hung up on everything being original, but if I liked
the original color I would use it. I was thinking
about painting it the Ford Blue you see on more recent
Ford engines.

Janet: Nice looking fire truck ! My 48 F6 is still in
the early stages of restoration with the fenders off
and no bed at this time. I will send you a picture
when it is a little furthur along.
Bob-48F6


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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:24:54 -0400
From: "K. Brown"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - test, resending

I think the worst thing on any classic is the "Cutting Torch"! Chopped =
>tops! Frame cuts to lower the front end till it is 1/32" from the =
>pavement. We have the Hot Rod Nationals here in Louisville. I see some =
>pretty good rides. The ones that I hate are the chopped up ones. I saw a =
>work in progress, a '48 Chevy sedan/ convertible. The guy cut the top =
>off. Driving around without the roof. You could see where he had made =
>the cuts. It look awful.
> Hey let me tell you about the small car show I saw a few years ago.
>I went to get some gas and this guy was there fillin up his '36 Plymouth =
>coupe. This was cherry, all stock, look like it did when it rolled off =
>the assembly line. The owner said he tried to get as original as he =
>could. But the paint was correct color, but not correct type. Less lead =
>in the paint than original. Well he invited me to a small charity car =
>show, raise money for the church. So I went.=20
> Fisrt thing I saw was a '40 Ford Sedan. It looked good from where you =
>enter the lot. Then as you got closer things didn't look right. The hot =
>Purple paint started to look like a blob, I guess the paint job loses =
>its glamour when you brush paint it on. The hood was open and the engine =
>was a 302, er, well it look like it was one, who could tell with all the =
>oil and dirt on the engine. The wiring was patch work, black tape =
>connection, exposed wire twist. Ah the interior, ripped up seats covered =
>by a bed spread, complete with newspaper and Mcdonalds trash in the rear =
>floor board. This guy was serious about wanting to win the show.=20
>Next I saw the '36 Plymouth sitting by a '27 Franklin, nice, look =
>professionly done. Of course your daily cruisers were there, your =
>Trans/Crumaros. Nothing special there.
>Then there it was, alone and chromed! The sun refecting off all the =
>Chrome! Blinding you as you walk towards it!
>Chromed wheels, chromed bumpers, chromed custom grill, chromed tie =
>rodand ends, chromed spindals, chromed everything on the engine that =
>could be chromed, chromed covers on heater motor, voltage regulator, =
>radiator, battery tray, etc. Mirrors underneath engine, mounted on =
>underside of hood, chromed steering column. Custom leather interior. =
>All this money on this car.=20
>The owners sitting there all proud of his work. I looked at him and said =
>" Are you Nuts!? This is a PINTO! What the hell where you thinking?"
> Now talk about a waste of money.=20
>Ken=20
>Louisville KY=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: HDMel95 aol.com=20
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com=20
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:13 PM
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/10/1999 2:46:17 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Sentimental Value/Just like new
>
> Mel and others,
>
> All though I prefer the stock trucks I agree with Mel that whatever =
>makes
> you feel good is OK. I just have some difficulty taking a completely =
>stock
> truck and taking out the engine, transmission, interior, suspension, =
>wheels,
> gages, etc. Basically you are useing an old shell on a new chassis. =
>Might as
> well buy a new truck.
> Kreig
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>>
>
> Kreig,
> Well, if one was to find an almost perfect 40+ year old vehicle and it =
>didn't=20
> need anything but a wax job and a tank of gas, I think you are right. =
>
> However, that ain't the case. Everything has to be redone on most =
>anything=20
> that old, so it doesn't matter if you improve/rod/replace or whatever, =
>you=20
> are going to have an "old shell on a new chassis". I don't think I =
>would rod=20
> a perfect 34 Ford, even though I would be tempted. Maybe "Resto-rod" =
>and=20
> make sure I could take it back to stock if needed. But when we get =
>right=20
> down to it, we are making new cars/trucks out of old ones when we =
>restore to=20
> stock or rod. That doesn't mean we should go down and buy a new =
>car/truck=20
> instead of building our own. No pleasure there!!
> Mel
> 1953 f100
> 1934 5w
> 1934 Roadster
> 1970 El Camino
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:36:14 EDT
From: J41Ford aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Chat

thanks!
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:04:47 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod

Hey if ford ever makes a brand new 56 style pickup I will be first in line.
But I to had to start from the frame on my street rod 56. But until Ford
comes out with a new 56 this will do perfectly. But the same can be said
about the originals, Most are restored from the frame up, So I ask you why
not buy a new one?

Meat....( Bill Ireland)
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:28:53 EDT
From: FISHROT1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Stock/Rod

In a message dated 10/10/99 10:09:49 PM, Meats56 aol.com writes:


But I to had to start from the frame on my street rod 56. But until Ford
comes out with a new 56 this will do perfectly. But the same can be said
about the originals, Most are restored from the frame up, So I ask you why
not buy a new one?>>

Gee, only 56 years and 3 months to wait and you'll get that new 56........

Erik
60 F-100 Custom Cab
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:45:07 -0500
From: "Richard L. McReynolds"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 16" vs 17" rims

My 51 F-3 has 17" split rims, 8 lugs. Original Operators Manual says 1951
F-2's came with 6.50, 7.00, or 7.50 x 16--6 (ply) tires. The F-3 Parcel
came with both diameters. The regular F-3 came with only 17". Are you sure
they are both F-2's. On mine, it shows model no. on the hood in the chrome.

Rich 51 F-3

PS. I am for the keep it (nearly) original crowd since my Dad bought this
truck new and just gave it to me. It's been used hard on the farm but has
been garaged and runs with 83K actual miles on still working odometer.
Amazing what still works after 48 years with no replacements at least that
he can remember.

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From: Kreig McBride
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