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pre61-list-digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 290



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Re: '53 Restoration
Re: FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 Starter
Re: FTE Pre61 - Investment
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats
FTE Pre61 - Re: 48-F6 Starter
FTE Pre61 - Re: Value of Rod vs. Stock
FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 starter
Re: FTE Pre61 - Newcomer 1957 F-100
Re: FTE Pre61 - front fender sheet metal
FTE Pre61 - While we have the soapbox out!
FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 restoration
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oldtrukman webtv.net (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: '53 Restoration

Way to go Dan Lee. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

That is exactly how I feel about my '56. I have had it since 1983 and
have put a little over 100,000 miles on it so far. The drive train
consists of a fresh 351C, C6, & a 9" rear w/3:25 gears. A Volarie front
end w/power disc's and steering help smooth out the ride and make it
handle great.

It's not a show truck by any means, but it is the truck that I have
always wanted. I am constantly being harassed by some of my family to
get a new truck, but I tell them that I already have the truck I want.

I figure that I have spent about $15 or $16k on it since I bought it (I
origanaly paid $800 for it).

In the same time frame, one of my brother-in-laws has bought 3 Rangers,
another is on his third S10 and my nephew just ordered his 3rd Ranger.
Now you tell me who is spending more money on vehicles.

Gads, I am sorry to ramble on like this but I just got carried away.



Rix56 'The Rat'

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 06:07:56 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 Starter

At 07:33 PM 10/6/1999 -0700, Robert Whitmore wrote:
>I feel certain I will have to switch to negative ground
>since the alternator and regulator will be designed
>for 12V negative ground. What about the starter ? It
>seems to me that it would run backwards with a
>negative ground system. Any experience, advice in
>this area, or on converting to 12V in general would be
>appreciated.

The starter will not run backwards because you reverse the polarity of the
field coils as well as the armature. If the starter used permanent magnets
for the field then going from positive ground to negative ground would
change the rotational direction.

Also, you can run the 6V starter at 12V with no major problem: I've been
doing this for about 18 months and lots of other people do too. If the
starter ever does burn out you can have it rebuilt for 12V but it doesn't
seem to be necessary.

I have some information on how I changed my 35 pickup to 12 volts on my web
site listed in my signature.

Good luck with your truck.


Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:59:49 -0400
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Investment

My Too Many Cents:

It is very easy to get carried away with a restoration project.
Their are two bottom lines in determining where to stop
the cash flow:
What is the finished project worth to you?
What is someone willing to write a check for when you want
to move on to something else?
We did our 55 Pure 100% stock down to script spark plug
wires and the musturd colored ignition coil and, by Q2 above,
have far too much invested...beyond what we expect we could
ever recoup. However, we plan on keeping it for many years and
have put a value on the "pleasure of ownership" factor.
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From: J41Ford aol.com
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Investment


>Hi Dan,
> I agree with you in one aspect.. not ALL trucks have a resell value of
that
>invested. that is not always the case. First of all, you need to know
what
>you have, what the market is for that particular year, model, condition,
>etc. I believe there is a buyer for every Classic vehicle out there, and
the
>more original, more stock, the more it's going to be worth in the long run.
>Sentimental value cannot be measured in dollars, but, there IS a market for
>classic vehicles out there.
>Joe
>j41ford aol.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:04:29 -0400
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats

Byron,

I got lucky and was able to get my seat redone in NOS material that
was found by a company called STICHES. The are located in North
Andover MA (area code 978) and charged me 435$ for the material
and labor.

Howard
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From: Byron Rosbrugh
To: FTE
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats


>Need some help on original dimensions, such as size of panel and width of
>border for the original seats on the custom cab in 1956. Also, source of
the
>tweed like fabric panels and red vinyl borders. Any information would be
>very helpful. Byron Rosbrugh
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:55:54 -0500
From: "Robert Jones"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 48-F6 Starter

When I first started driving my '49 F-2 twenty years ago I reversed the
polarity (I've restored it back to stock now) and used a 12v battery to
start it on the cold days. The starter always rotated the same direction.
I did this for a whole year. I don't think I did any damage the starter.
The only thing is you can't crank the starter at 12v for an extended time.

Bob Jones
'49 F-2

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:07:40 EDT
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Value of Rod vs. Stock

Bluntly put guys, if you are worried about which way is going to bring the
most amount of money when completed, you are in the wrong hobby... Maybe
real estate or the stock market is where your investment should go. I
remember my first street rod, the furthest thing on my mind was "How much
will my return be when I sell this puppy"?. I never ever thought I would
ever sell it! 40 years later, I wish I hadn't sold it. (It was a 40 Ford
Deluxe Coupe) I can't think of any of my hobbies where money has anything to
do with it. That is the fun of a hobby. Not being practical about expense.
Hey, if I like it, it looks good, it sounds good and it feels good, I need it
for my hobby. Budget is the only thing that you have to worry about in a
hobby. Now, if you are restoring or rodding a vehicle for someone else and
that is your business, or you are in the restoration business, then you have
to worry about what the market will bare. So.....forget the expense and the
market for stock vs. rod and do what makes you feel good about your truck.

Mel
53 f100
34 5w
34 Roadster
70 El Camino
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 08:59:04 PDT
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 starter

Starter will work fine on 12 volts, even with polarity reversed. You might
consider a 12 V coil with an internal resistor. No ugly resistor to mount on
firewall. Just reverse leads to coil.

John

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:40:55 -0400
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Newcomer 1957 F-100

Shawn, please send me info on OLD CAR CENTER you were talking
about in your FE response. I'ld like to see what metal they have.
glperry fwi.com "G"

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:35:29 -0400
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - front fender sheet metal

I too am always working on BIG trucks and find very little
sources for parts. I'm interested in this "EMS" company you
mentioned. Do you have address or phone I could get?
glperry fwi.com IN 219-358-8401

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:23:57 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - While we have the soapbox out!

FTEers,

I have been following this thread for some time and have to chime in.

Real estate can be an investment. EE bonds, mutual funds, CDs, even savings
accounts are investments. College is an investment. But unless you can buy a
cherry 65 AC Cobra (and you can't drive it), your not going to make an
investment out of any automobile.

I bought my 57 because I was born in 57! Not because it was the most popular,
or even the best looking. It was something I could afford (as opposed to a 57
brand X) and be proud of. When finished (!!!!!!!) I might have the only 57
F-100 truckrod in Memphis. You better believe everybody will hear that it
came off the assembly line just 3 months before I did! And like I love to say
- -- anybody can do it the easy way (I.e., 56 F-100 w/sbc). My 57 won't be
original nor leadsled. Just the blend of old and new that I want (and/or can
afford). Probably Pearl White, dropped slightly, maybe shaved. It will have a
V8, AOD, and upgraded brakes and interior.

In all, make it what you want. If you buy and build to sell, go to work at
Ford. If you buy with the idea that you will get tired of it (like we do with
most vehicles), get ready to loose money. This is transportation. Pay as you
go, but if you can't pay, don't go! Remember, we are having fun here! I hate
working on my house (investment -- most of my time and $$$), but I love to
work on my truck (hobby -- little time or $$).

I'm off now!
Glenn in TN

ps: while we are on the subject of pouring fluids into engines; here in
Tennessee, our engines naturally prefer Jack Daniels!
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:02:15 EDT
From: Larrykvet aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 restoration

I want to thank all you guys for the opinions on what to do with my truck- I
have been given a lot of food for thought- I have not decided for sure what I
am going to do- I am going to piddle around a liitle until I decide for sure
what to do- I know what i want- a shiny tight looking street rod- and I am
not a money grubber- I did not buy the truck to make money- that is what I go
to work every day for- I will keep you posted- probably with many more "new
guy" type questions as I go along- thanks again -larry
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:53:55 -0500
From: "Byron Rosbrugh"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats

Howard, thanks for the help. Do you have the dimensions of the panels and
border? I will call STICHES and see if they still have fabric. Thanks
again, I really appreciate the help, Byron
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From: Howard H. Tarnoff
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats


>Byron,
>
>I got lucky and was able to get my seat redone in NOS material that
>was found by a company called STICHES. The are located in North
>Andover MA (area code 978) and charged me 435$ for the material
>and labor.
>
>Howard
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Byron Rosbrugh
>To: FTE
>Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:02 PM
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats
>
>
>>Need some help on original dimensions, such as size of panel and width of
>>border for the original seats on the custom cab in 1956. Also, source of
>the
>>tweed like fabric panels and red vinyl borders. Any information would be
>>very helpful. Byron Rosbrugh
>>
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