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pre61-list-digest Thursday, October 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 289



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 Restoration
FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead
FTE Pre61 - Newcomer 1957 F-100
FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats
FTE Pre61 - Investment
Re: FTE Pre61 - Reply to Kreig McBride
Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 trouble starting flathead
Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 trouble starting flathead
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 Restoration
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rodding a 49 F1
Re: FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead
Re: FTE Pre61 - Investment
Re: FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead
FTE Pre61 - front fender sheet metal
FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 Starter
Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 low oil pressure

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:28:24 -0700
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 Restoration

Dan,

Your so right about value. Actually, if you want the best value for the
money it's cheaper in the long run to purchase a truck already done, whether
it's a hot rod or a restoration. But, the critical part to me is pride in
ownership.
I step on the soapbox at this point:
If I buy something off the shelf and somebody likes it, I say thank you. I
don't have any personal investment in it I just respect it for a fine piece
of work someone else has done. But, if it's something I built, then I can
take the compliment directly that I did something pretty good, it's mine.

I like you have hot rodded my 55, and since this is the second go around I'm
well into the high 20's in investments in the truck. Other than machine
work and a tranny rebuild I've done most everything my self. Value on the
street is around 14 - 15K (when my descendents sell it. Cause before they
drag those keys from my cold hand I'm going to have to be dead). I didn't
build the truck to sell, so the investment compared to the value wasn't an
issue. My wife and I have made this our main hobby and we are very proud of
it. We show the truck and derive pleasure from the comments, but the real
value is in the new friends and fine people that the truck has enabled us to
meet over the last 5 years. That part is priceless. We are even talking
about getting an RV so we can take the truck and see and meet the fine folks
in the heartland and other parts of the country.
Step off soapbox here.

Yep I am overly involved in my truck, but I would do it again. By the way
I'm still not done with this one yet!

Dennis
55F100
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 07:53:09 PDT
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead

Be REAL careful about putting brake fluid in the cylinders. Brake fluid is
hydroscopic (absorbs moisture). If engine doesn't turn & start it will draw
moisture into the cylinders making a bad situation much worse.

John

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:12:17 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Newcomer 1957 F-100

My truck is very similar to yours. From the sounds of it, my floorpan is in
slightly better shape than yours, but mine's not perfect either. Probably what
is best is to fabricate your own floorboard. Rip/strip out all the rust you
can, sandblast if you have to in order to get everything out of there, and patch
away. Tack weld some decent metal in there, that's what we plan to do. My
truck was originally a South Dakota vehicle, but it spent a few winters here in
MN, and has been sitting in a field for the last 15 years. (It's seen better
days)

Short of ordering a new cab, this is likely to be your only option.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 F100

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:12:53 -0500
From: "Byron Rosbrugh"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Custom Cab Seats

Need some help on original dimensions, such as size of panel and width of
border for the original seats on the custom cab in 1956. Also, source of the
tweed like fabric panels and red vinyl borders. Any information would be
very helpful. Byron Rosbrugh

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:13:13 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Investment

Lately I've noticed a couple people referring to what they have 'invested'
in their trucks. I'd like to offer my 2 cents and say that building a
truck a terrible investment, however it's a great hobby. The goal of an
investment is to make money. If you spend $20,000 on the 'perfect'
restoration you would have to be able to sell the truck for more than
$20,000 in order for your money to grow. This nearly never happens. In
the case of my own truck, I've probably spent 7k on it so far (I don't keep
a running tally of what I've spent), with another 3k or so before it's more
or less finished. I already know that I could never sell the truck for
close to what I've put into it, but that's okay because making money is not
my motivation for building this truck, fun is. It's a very enjoyable
hobby, and that's all it is. There is no money to be made from it unless
your name is Dennis Carpenter, Bob Drake, or Flathead Jack. So to the
people who occasionally write to this list asking what they should do to
their truck to increase it's value I'd offer this advice: Forget about
monetary value and do what you want to do. The truck is most valuable to
you so make yourself happy. If you do sell it and the buyer doesn't like
what you've done he can change it (just like you did).

Just for fun, I'll speculate that in the long run (say another 50 years or
so) the trucks that will be worth the most money will be the good condition
original (untouched, unrestored, unrodded) ones. So the most cost
effective thing you can do to your truck is nothing--except for keeping it
garaged and possibly buying it a sleeping bag. But if I wanted a good
investment I'd still stay away from trucks--mutual funds and stocks will
treat you much better in the long run.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C--Varoooooom!
1992 Mustang --Self adjusting clutch? In 4 years I don't think it's ever
adjusted itself!

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:47:58 -0700
From: "Kreig McBride"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Reply to Kreig McBride

In reference to installing a "new" engine in the 52 pickup. I mistaken about
the parts truck. It is a 1950, not a 48. So i guess the engine will swap ok
except the front motor mounts which are unique to the 52. Both motors are
v8's.

Why does the 1950 have 17" rims and the 1952 have 16" rims? Both are 3/4
ton models?
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From: GUYETTE Phillip
To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:00 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Reply to Kreig McBride


>I recently did exactly what you're planning (installing a Flathead V8 out
of
>a pre'52 pickup in a '52 pickup). You've made a wise choice purchasing an
>entire truck for the swap as there are a number of differences between the
>6cyl and V8 trucks (radiator, hood shroud, throttle bellcrank, etc.). Your
>'48 will have everything you need except the front motor mount stands;
these
>are common ONLY to 1952. It took me months to find those two items. As an
>alternative, you could remove the front crossmember from the '48 and
install
>it in your '52 and the '48 front engine mounts will work. You can e-mail
me
>at vegmanocf aol.com if you want more specific information. It's great to
>see someone else installing the engine that should be there! Phillip
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:55:26 -0400
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 trouble starting flathead

Bill Robinson wrote:
>
> Try this! Get liquid WD-40, mix 50/50 with brake fluid, squirt that into
> cylinders.

It never stops amazing me what people dream up to pour into a poor
defenseless engine. I think this one is even better than the Vaseline in
the oil pump some time ago.
Personally, I never use anything but ATF or clean motor oil unless I
never hope to reuse the motor.

47Fred
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:55:07 EDT
From: FISHROT1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 trouble starting flathead

In a message dated 10/6/99 5:09:08 PM, zelda_1 prodigy.net writes:


Personally, I never use anything but ATF or clean motor oil unless I
never hope to reuse the motor. >>

Thats what I said a week ago, but they keep dreaming up new
stuff............
Erik
60 f-100 Custom Cab
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:56:16 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 Restoration

I have a little more than $15,000.00 invested in "The General", and it has
been worth every penny. My son keeps asking what's it worth? In all honesty I
could not put a selling price on "The General" even though I have been asked.
If you are looking to "invest" in a restored truck or plan on modernizing it
to a 90's truck, I guarantee you will loose money even if you figure $1.00 an
hour for your time. In my opinion you will loose the least money if you
restore your truck, only because you have invested the lease. I am also
building a 1933 street rod and believe me, the parts are a lot more expensive
for the rod.

Call your broker or bank if you are investing, if you are building a rod or
restoring your truck stay tuned and have fun.
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:23:17 -0400
From: Robert B Michels
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rodding a 49 F1

Now I know I am going to get burned for this but here goes.... Do to a totally
economic decision that I will be glad to go into on email, I have a brand x 1997
LT1 and 700R4 in my truck, I am doing lots of stuff like Mustang II front IFS, 4
wheel disk brakes and on and on. I am also installing a Fairlane fiber glass tilt
front assembly. This leaves all the front sheet metal available for disposable. If
any one is interested contact me email.



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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead

And be careful not to get any brake fluid on your
skin! It can burn you pretty bad. Been there, done
that and now I have discolored skin.

Ed

- --- John Harrison wrote:
> Be REAL careful about putting brake fluid in the
> cylinders. Brake fluid is
> hydroscopic (absorbs moisture). If engine doesn't
> turn & start it will draw
> moisture into the cylinders making a bad situation
> much worse.
>
> John
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:01:31 EDT
From: J41Ford aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Investment

Hi Dan,
I agree with you in one aspect.. not ALL trucks have a resell value of that
invested. that is not always the case. First of all, you need to know what
you have, what the market is for that particular year, model, condition,
etc. I believe there is a buyer for every Classic vehicle out there, and the
more original, more stock, the more it's going to be worth in the long run.
Sentimental value cannot be measured in dollars, but, there IS a market for
classic vehicles out there.
Joe
j41ford aol.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:04:04 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - trouble starting flathead

I got my flatty started, guys. It was not a problem with the pistons being
stuck. It is a fresh rebuild. My problem was with the battery cables. Not
enough juice getting through them to the starter.

Thanks for the help
Paul
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:14:54 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - front fender sheet metal

Hi again, Gang.
I am looking for replacement sheet metal for the front fenders on my '52 F-3.
I need to lower rear, upper front and lower front extensions. I have found
tons of these things for the F-1's, but they are different from the larger
trucks. I found one company called EMS out of Cleveland,Ohio that has the
parts I need, but would like to find other Manufacturers/suppliers.
If you know of any, please let me know

Thanks
Paul
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Whitmore
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 48-F6 Starter

I have a 48 F6 and am considering converting it to 12
volts. I understand changing lamps, ballast resistor,
and dropping the voltage for 6 volt accessories. What
I need help with is the positive ground system. I
feel certain I will have to switch to negative ground
since the alternator and regulator will be designed
for 12V negative ground. What about the starter ? It
seems to me that it would run backwards with a
negative ground system. Any experience, advice in
this area, or on converting to 12V in general would be
appreciated.
New to the list: Bob


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:55:33 EDT
From: RVoice2723 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - FTE Pre61 low oil pressure

Bill

The oil plug is in the back of the engine and under the oil pump gear cover.
If you had your engine professionally cleaned this plug was probably taken
out to clean the oil channel that runs through the center of your engine.
If, like in my case, they did not put it back in, it could easily be missed
during assembly. I had my engine cleaned and the machine work done by a....


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