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Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle next week
FTE Pre61 - '53 Restoration
FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f-100 Restoration Project
Re: FTE Pre61 - 9" Rear end Ratios
FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 F100 restoration
FTE Pre61 - RE: To Randy 'Garage Too Small"
FTE Pre61 - fuel gauge sender
FTE Pre61 - 223 Rebuild
FTE Pre61 - 223 Rebuild
Re: FTE Pre61 -first flatty fireup
FTE Pre61 - Re: Electrical UpDate

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:57:42 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle next week

In a message dated 9/25/1999 2:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
TNickolson aol.com writes:

> I would prefer one that works, FM is not important or
> necessary I need the knobs to in restorable condition or can be purchased
> from vendors. $150.00 is well within the range I am willing to spend.
Well, Tom, I had a little radio education today. Not that it will do
much good ...
I found radios from $40 to $495. The $40 had the knobs, pushbuttons needed
to be replaced, no vendor knowledge of whether it worked or not. The $495
was an AM/FM 12V, allegedly from an earlier year car, but with truck knobs.
Had the correct dial and shaft arrangement. The FM conversions don't show FM
on the dial. I also found a $450 AM/FM 12V which was definitely a truck
radio. There are 6 tube models and 8 tube models, which are physically
different sizes. What I did not find was the middle ground - a complete,
working original.
I stumbled on a guy who had at least five. He was the second person
today who mentioned all the old Ford radios had a 'vibrator' which went bad.
He had a radio for $100, which he said he'd already put $100 in, but it
needed this vibrator. He also had a $50 radio which he thought worked, but
it was missing the glass over the dial
I think your best bet is Fantastic Ford Parts. The owner, Keith Dixon,
did not have any of the correct radios with him today, but he has two at
home. He says he can make a complete one from the two for $85. However, he
wasn't sure about that damn vibrator! He's at 919-528-0566, 302 Main St, PO
Box 942, Creedmoor, NC 27522. I've dealt with him before, very knowledgeable
about old Fords. He has built solid state temp sending units for the
flathead which he sells for $35, supposedly more accurate and durable than
the originals.
The $495 radio was at Mike Hagan's Antique Auto Radio Repair,
215-547-7145, 235 Gloucester Rd, Fairless Hills PA 19030.
The $450 radio was at Normans Classic Auto Radio, Forrest and Billie Lee
Norman, 8475 68th Way North, Pinellas Park, FL 33781. He also has a remote
setup so you can mount a real radio anywhere its convenient while leaving the
stock radio in the dash.
Jonas
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:29:58 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '53 Restoration

The key to doing a restoration/rebuild is to get to know your local salvage
manager/owner. More often than not, they will have an idea of what other people
have used before. It helps if the owner is a Ford fan too, otherwise they'll
sell you on everything Chevy or Mopar as "better" than anything you could find
that's Ford.

The key is to make a plan, figure out what you can afford, what pace you can pay
for things, and double it - just kidding.

Ordinarily people are using Mustang II IFS, there are lots of magazines that
cover this particular installation. I managed to go with an Aerostar front end,
which is neat if you can get your hands on one that is in good shape - I can try
to send you some info if you're interested. It doesn't drop the truck down to
the ground, but it lowers it some and gives a "primo" ride - with power
steering, disk brakes, and front sway bar all in one unit.

A/C is another story, you really have to know what you're doing to install this
with all the new regulations for CFCs and R17 and everything else. You can look
into some mid-sixties sedans/coupes that have dealer add-on (underdash) setups.


And the list goes on: motor, tranny, rear end, rims/tires, body work,
chrome/stainless, etc. Make a (wish) list, see what you can get from friends
and local yards, then start shopping the catalogs - Sacramento Vintage, Dan
Carpenters, Bob's F-Fun-Hundreds, AutoKrafters. You can probably order the
catalogs now, they all charge around $4-$7 to ship one out to you, it's best to
buy them early...

Keep the list informed on your progress, you'll get lots of support, especially
for a '53.

Good Luck,

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 Ford F100 Custom Cab Stepside - 18 months into the project with another 6-12
to go...

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:33:15 EDT
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f-100 Restoration Project

In a message dated 10/1/1999 3:00:50 AM, you wrote:


From: Larrykvet aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f100 restoration

I just bought a 53 w/ 79k miles on it- it is running with all original
equip- except a diff paint job(which will be redone)- I am new to the classic
redo- I have been reading mags etc about the job and have been somewhat
overwhelmed by the differences in ways to go->>

Dear Larry, in answer to your questions: Yes, Yes, Yes etc. Restoration is
very expensive, cheaper if you do all the work yourself, you can buy pre made
everything these days, you can go to wrecking yards and makeshift anything to
fit your truck. The problem is, you must know first what you want to do and
how you want your project to end up. What you are really asking us all to do
is explain to you all our years of trials and tribulations and failures and
successes on our 1000's of projects and explain to you the one way to take
every step of your project. It DON'T work that way! It is very similar to
a student going to med school. Even after 10 years of education, reading,
research, exams and hands on applications, he/she still continues on as an
intern etc. After he/she goes into private practice, the learning curve
continues. IT NEVER ENDS. I have been building, restoring and repairing my
classics and street rods for 40 years. What I am trying to explain to you
is, there is no perfect, easy, simple, "the only way", or right way to do any
restoration rod project. That is the beauty of this hobby/love. Hit and
miss or learn from others experience and try to improve on what they have
done. That is about all I can say. Either you love
trying/failing/succeeding or your project won't be any fun. Many nights I
have awakened in the middle of the night because a thought came to me and I
had to go out to garage at 2am to try my idea on one of my projects. It just
gets in your blood. Good luck on your effie.
Mel
1953 f100
1934 5w
1934 Roadster
1970 El Camino

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:43:00 EDT
From: DALSTEV aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 9" Rear end Ratios

Folks,
I want to upgrade the 289 in my 51 F1 to a 351. Which is the better engine?
The Windsor or Cleveland.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Gerry
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 F100 restoration

Larry,

It seems a shame to mess up a '53 that is all
original. When I started my project it already had an
engine, tranny and rear swapped from a '71 Torino. If
I had one that was all original, I would consider a
real Classic redo, instead of a Street Rod. In any
case the first thing to do is to decide what it do you
want at the end of the project. For a 460 powered hot
rod, I would look for a Lincoln with that engine and
get everything. Something milder would be a 302
Mustang II. A 5.8 Liter FI Windsor would make a great
swap if you wanted to fool around with electronics and
computers.
Mine is also a '53. It now has a TCI coil over shock
IFS, a radical 400ci with Cleveland heads, cam, roller
rockers, headers, etc. It has a C6 tranny, power disc
brakes, power steering, a 9" Torino rear, VDO gauges,
AM/FM/CD, American Racing Torque Thrust wheels w/BFG
50's. I am not done yet, I need to add Air, more
interior work and a myriad of details.
I have over $15,000.00 invested. I could sell it for
1/2 of my investment. You could redo yours original
for a lot less, and sell it for more.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V
> From: Larrykvet aol.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f100 restoration
>
> I just bought a 53 w/ 79k miles on it- it is
> running with all original
> equip- except a diff paint job(which will be
> redone)- I am new to the classic
> redo- I have been reading mags etc about the job and
> have been somewhat
> overwhelmed by the differences in ways to go- I want
> to put ifs/auto trans/
> air/ brakes/power steering- by looking at the
> catalogues it will be
> astronomically high to do all this- are there any
> makes -year models of used
> vehicles that you can buy to tear down and get all
> of this stuff at once or
> do you have to get something from several different
> makes and year models to
> do this kind of upgrade- any help or guidance to a
> book or article would be
> greatly appreciated- thanks
> larry kimberlin
> larrykvet aol.cmom
>


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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:57:39 -0700
From: GUYETTE Phillip
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE: To Randy 'Garage Too Small"

Randy, I recently completed the same project you described on my '52 F1 and
can provide some answers to your questions.
* BALLAST RESISTOR: Your local parts store probably stocks a firewall
mounted ballast resistor that fits all 1955 - 1961 General Motors vehicles.
Sorry I can't give you a part number, but the resistors are nearly as common
as dirt.
* LIGHT BULBS: Headlights will take the standard 12-volt bulbs found
everywhere. Your front parking lights will need new sockets to accept the
dual filament bulbs, but the tail/brake lights will be okay; use #1157
bulbs. Take samples of your existing 6-volt dash lights into your parts
store and they'll give you a 12-volt replacement.
* DASH GAUGE RESISTOR: Someone named Steve Delanty posted an article
on the web regarding converting 6-volt to 12-volt systems. He's got a
schematic for building a neat little voltage regulator from parts available
at Radio Shack for less than $10. Check out:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/6to12to6/
* The condenser on your friends coil is probably to eliminate
electrical radio interference, and won't effect the way your engine runs.
* All your switches will work fine; 6-volt accessories draw twice the
amperage of 12-volt accessories. What this means, is that your 6-volt
wiring and switches are designed to handle twice the amount of current
you'll use with 12-volts.

Phillip
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> FTE Pre61 - emergency brakes - 2nd request
> Re: FTE Pre61 - emergency brakes - 2nd request
> FTE Pre61 - Electrical Update
> FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f100 restoration
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:22:37 -0500
> From: "Charlie Powell"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - emergency brakes - 2nd request
>
> I posted a question a few weeks ago and didn't get any response, so let
> me try one more time. Has any one installed the Lokar Emergency Brake
> Cables on there truck ? If so I need some tech help, please e-mail me.
>
> Thanks, Charlie
> cpowell american-trouser.com
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:16:03 EDT
> From: J41Ford aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - emergency brakes - 2nd request
>
> Hi,
> sorry, didn't do that on the 41 ford pu.
> hope you get some help. I will check around in my car club for you
> Joe
> j41ford aol.com
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:28:39 -0500
> From: "Randy Selby"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Electrical Update
>
> I am in the process of an electrical upgrade on my '50 F-1. I have ordered
> a new wiring harness with turn signals and set-up for 12 volts. I had the
> generator rewound. I am getting ready for some heavy-duty assembly of the
> cab and the electrical system, but I have a few questions:
> 1) What ballast resistor do I use, does anybody have a part #?
> 2) What bulbs do I use for replacements? Headlights , etc.
> 3) What voltage reducer do I use for the guages? Using the orig panel and
> sending units.
> 4) Do I need one for the gas guage?
> 5) A friend of mine has a condenser on his coil, is this needed?
> 6) What switches will work and which need to be replaced? Heater, dimmer,
> light switch, etc.
> Any help will be welcome.
>
> Randy
> Garage too Small
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:30:46 EDT
> From: Larrykvet aol.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f100 restoration
>
> I just bought a 53 w/ 79k miles on it- it is running with all original
> equip- except a diff paint job(which will be redone)- I am new to the
> classic
> redo- I have been reading mags etc about the job and have been somewhat
> overwhelmed by the differences in ways to go- I want to put ifs/auto
> trans/
> air/ brakes/power steering- by looking at the catalogues it will be
> astronomically high to do all this- are there any makes -year models of
> used
> vehicles that you can buy to tear down and get all of this stuff at once
> or
> do you have to get something from several different makes and year models
> to
> do this kind of upgrade- any help or guidance to a book or article would
> be
> greatly appreciated- thanks
> larry kimberlin
> larrykvet aol.cmom
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:43:12 -0700
From: Kevin Coughlin
Subject: FTE Pre61 - fuel gauge sender

My fuel sender (classic instruments), works as long as I keep more than
1/4 tank of fuel in it. At less than 1/4 if I fill it up, the needle
won't move. If I pull the sender out and work it manually, it works
fine. I have checked the ground and it seems ok. I looked inside the
tank and felt inside with a piece of steel and there doesn't seem to be
anything in there that is hanging up the float. At less than 1/4 it
seems to work ok as long as it is going toward empty, but if I add fuel
it will not come back up. Once in a while if I hit a bump or something
it starts to work again, but not always. HELP!!!!!!!!

Thanks,

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:05:47 EDT
From: FISHROT1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 223 Rebuild

I would like to thank everyone who took the time out to reply and help with
questions and what not on my 223 rebuild. You all were most helpful. Tahs
wwhat thidslist is all about. Once again many thanks
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:07:27 EDT
From: FISHROT1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 223 Rebuild

I would like to thank everyone who took the time out to reply and help with
questions and what not on my 223 rebuild. You all were most helpful. Tahs
wwhat thidslist is all about. Once again many thanks.
Erik
60 f-100 custom cab
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:31:47 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 -first flatty fireup

Hi Guys! I am ready to fire up my 239 Flathead for the first time since the
rebuild. Can anyone give me any pointers as to the proper procedure to follow
before starting this thing up? I've got a lot of time and money in this
thing, and don't want to screw it all up.
I am also looking for the grease seals for the carrier bearing on my '52
F-3. I have been unable to find one. Anyone know where I can pick one of
these things up?

Thanks,
Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Gutierrez
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Electrical UpDate

Hi Randy,

I had a 1951 F-1 that was updated with a 200
straight six, auto and 12 - volt system. The
electrical system came from '78 Fairmont. The
alternator had an external electronic voltage
regulator. I replaced the light switch with one from
Chief/Autozone that had it's own separate fuse built
into it. I used a fuse panel I picked up along the
way.
The truck was rewired replacing the original wires but
the headlight connector were from Chief/AutoZone. The
engine and electrical was changed before I purchased
the truck, so I can not help you with the ballast
resistor.

> 2) What bulbs do I use for replacements? Headlights
> , etc.
A good bulb catalog should have a index in the back
with a specification chart with information of buld
dimensions, filament, candle power/watts and voltage.
> 3) What voltage reducer do I use for the guages?
> Using the orig panel and
> sending units.
12V to 6V
> 4) Do I need one for the gas guage?
That can get tricky because Fords uses two
different settings for thier fuel senders. It has
something to do with resistance/Ohm's of the sender
... I can be wrong, any input on this one FTE ???
> 5) A friend of mine has a condenser on his coil, is
> this needed?
It depends on why it is there in the first place ...
radio static or to save the points from frying ...
> 6) What switches will work and which need to be
> replaced? Heater, dimmer,light switch, etc.
Napa/Autozone/Kragen/Pep Boys, just about anyone
should have the switches you need in thier help
section, just do not bother explaining to them what
you are trying to do because most of the counter folk
are useless unless they can punch a button and it
comes up in on their tiny monitor !!! Most get a
little bent if they have to use the catalogs ...

Good Luck and take your time putting the electrical
system together !! Doc
>
> Randy
> Garage too Small
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:30:46 EDT
> From: Larrykvet aol.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 53 f100 restoration
>
> I just bought a 53 w/ 79k miles on it- it is
> running with all original
> equip- except a diff paint job(which will be
> redone)- I am new to the classic
> redo- I have been reading mags etc about the job and
> have been somewhat
> overwhelmed by the differences in ways to go- I want
> to put ifs/auto trans/
> air/ brakes/power steering- by looking at the
> catalogues it will be
> astronomically high to do all this- are there any
> makes -year models of used
> vehicles that you can buy to tear down and get all
> of this stuff at once or
> do you have to get something from several different
> makes and year models to
> do this kind of upgrade- any help or guidance to a
> book or article would be
> greatly appreciated- thanks
> larry kimberlin
> larrykvet aol.cmom
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