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pre61-list-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 266



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 223 speed parts
Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment
FTE Pre61 - Re: Steering Adjustment/Fuel Tanks
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Steering Adjustment/Fuel Tanks
RE: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment
FTE Pre61 - ford t-800
Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment
Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment
FTE Pre61 - 58-60 wheels
Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:35:31 +0300
From: "Greg Schnakenberg"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 223 speed parts

I'm not going to tell you what year my PU is, because i dont want to get
bumped up to that other list! but what i do have is a 223 l6, and my PU
does still have running boards! i am looking for speed parts. cams,
intakes, headers, ignitions etc... When I asked on that other list, they all
talked about modules, diodes, vac. hoses, etc...! what i need is some of
you "effy" guys to tell me whats up with this motor.

thanks, flairside of a undetermined vintage

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:27:40 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

Dan,
I can't help you with the adjustment, but I've read a very good e-mail on it by
someone in the group. I think they had saved it from an earlier time. I've tried
in the past to look in the archives for mail I remembered reading and not had
much success even finding the archives. You might check with Ken, the moderator,
on how to access and search the archives. With my '56 I changed the box to a
Toyota 4x4 power steering box. Pricey but excellent results.

Fred
hotrod56

MilFam3 aol.com wrote:

> surely some one out there can explain how to adjust the steering box on a 56
> f-100 ?! many requests but no replys yet. how many out there just rebuild the
> stock front end and leave it be? no comment on fuel tanks though !!!! please
> help! 56 and lovin it
> ! Dan
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:25:55 EDT
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Steering Adjustment/Fuel Tanks

In a message dated 9/16/1999 2:44:38 AM, you wrote:


56
f-100 ?! many requests but no replys yet. how many out there just rebuild the
stock front end and leave it be? no comment on fuel tanks though !!!! please
>>

Answer to your first question: 45
Answer to your second question: Adjusting your fuel tank will not affect
your steering box adjustment.

I am so sorry, I had to. I guess that is why I am always in trouble.
Seriously, I have some old Chilton Manuels in one of my warehouses. I will
look it up for you today and get you an answer. It has been many years since
I worked on a stock Ford steering box and I just don't remember. Of course,
I don't remember a lot of things these days.

Mel
1953 f100
34 Roadster
34 5w
70 El Camino

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:03:35 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Steering Adjustment/Fuel Tanks

Actually you can buy the manual on the FTE site and it gives the step by step
directions on how to adjust the box.
I think it's 30 bucks.

HDMel95 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/16/1999 2:44:38 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> 56
> f-100 ?! many requests but no replys yet. how many out there just rebuild the
> stock front end and leave it be? no comment on fuel tanks though !!!! please
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:12:08 -0400
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

Fred what year totoya box did you use? How much hassle was it? Garry

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> [mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Fred g 454
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 9:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment
>
>
> Dan,
> I can't help you with the adjustment, but I've read a very good
> e-mail on it by
> someone in the group. I think they had saved it from an earlier
> time. I've tried
> in the past to look in the archives for mail I remembered reading
> and not had
> much success even finding the archives. You might check with Ken,
> the moderator,
> on how to access and search the archives. With my '56 I changed
> the box to a
> Toyota 4x4 power steering box. Pricey but excellent results.
>
> Fred
> hotrod56
>
> MilFam3 aol.com wrote:
>
> > surely some one out there can explain how to adjust the
> steering box on a 56
> > f-100 ?! many requests but no replys yet. how many out there
> just rebuild the
> > stock front end and leave it be? no comment on fuel tanks
> though !!!! please
> > help! 56 and lovin it
> > ! Dan
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>
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:44:40 EDT
From: Upeele aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ford t-800

i am looking at a 1956 ford t-800 tandem dump truck that seems to be in
pretty good condition. it needs a water pump though, i'm not sure what gas
engine it may have or if parts are even available for this old truck, does
anyone know if & where parts would be available and what engine might be in
that truck. owner put new rubber on the truck & wants $3000.00-$3500.00 for
it.
sounds high to me but really don't know.
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:26:56 EDT
From: FISHROT1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

If you don't have a manual that tells you how to do that you need to buy
one, they are chock full of information that you might find handy. I found an
original 1960 manual on ebay for only $10.00, thats 1/3 the price of a
reproduction maual.

Erik
1960 F-100 Custom Cab
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:13:33 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

Mcat,

Mine was an 85. You need the one that was on a Toyota with a solid axle.
Mid-fifties sells all the parts or the whole kit. They are at 1-800-252-1956.
Of course it's much cheaper if you can find one in a yard. But even my local
toyota dealer tried without luck. The hassle is minimal, they sell a bracket
you bolt the unit to and then bolt that to the frame in almost the original
location. You have to slightly enlarge the main hole in the frame for the shaft
that the pitman arm attaches to. You need an toyota to whatever your column is
adapter (by borgensen sp?). The same with the pitman arm toyota on one end ford
on the other. And hoses. I used a power steering pump and brackets to match my
engine. The box sits in the original position and did not interfere with the
headers.

Mcat wrote:

> Fred what year totoya box did you use? How much hassle was it? Garry
>
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:38:14 -0700
From: buckshot netzone.com (Dee Strickland Johnson)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 58-60 wheels

Still need info on wheels, especially 58-60. 1)-were they painted body
color, black, or white? I've seen examples of all of these. Or is there a
good restoration manual in print? 2) Does ANY body know the whereabouts of
any of the wheels, 6-bolt (7-1/4 B.C.) x 16" with lock rings. I can send
photo of the one I need. Contact me separately at the above e-mail address
if you wish.
John Johnson.


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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:49:30 -0700
From: "cc"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment

In a message dated 5/6/1999 9:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobj pmihwy.com
writes:

> 1. The steering is sloppy. I have adjusted the bolt on the side of the
gear
> box and it didn't seem to help. Is there something else I can do or do I
> have to get another steering box?

REPLY

The procedure in the 49-52 manual is to:
1. disconnect the drag link from the pitman arm.
2. Loosen the steering column tube to instrument panel bracket.
3. Back the side (sector) adjustment out (counterclockwise) to remove any
load. (That's "the bolt on the side of the gear box" you mentioned.)
4. Measure the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center of it's
rotation.
This is kinda the hard part. Ford must have had a spring scale, like a fish
scale, which read in ounces. 'The force needed to rotate the wheel at the
center of it's rotation' should be 1/4 to 3/4 pound on F1, F2, and F3, 1/2
to
1 lb on all others. I used a postal scale to measure the weight of some
sockets, then put them in a mesh bag my wife (used to) use for washing
'delicates,' then ran it's tie sting from the top of the steering wheel off
to the side, then over a socket extension straight down. I think this
translates into the force needed to turn the wheel. I also measured
quarters
($0.25 pieces) to see what they weighed, if you don't have a scale. 1/4
pound (4 ounces) is ~16 quarters, 3/4 pound (12 ounces) is therefore ~48
quarters. You take it from there. If this measurement isn't right, you
need
to change the stack of shims under the steering shaft at the bottom of the
gearbox. The shims are actually gaskets of varying thickness', and a
selection is available from most of our common suppliers. However, to
tighten the existing preload, you'll just be removing shims, so if you
remove
the bottom plate carefully, you can reuse the ones you have. This is a messy
and iterative process. You need to have some gear lube in the box to
accurately measure the turning force, then you need to remove the bottom
plate to change shims, which dribbles gear lube all over.
Once this is in spec, center the wheel. Then, turn the 'sector shaft
thrust adjusting screw' (side adjuster) until 'all end play is removed from
the sector shaft.' Then the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center
of it's rotation should measure between 1 and 2 pounds on the F1, F2, and
F3,
and 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 pounds on other models.
I have found that when the gears are too worn, tightening the sector
shaft
adjusting screw too much jams the sector against the housing, which of
course
makes the wheel harder to turn, but doesn't reduce the free play or have the
intended affect on steering accuracy. Then there's nothing left to do but
replace the steering shaft (worm) and sector, or the whole box. Other
things
that wear out are the roller bearings on top and below the worm on the
steering shaft, the bushings on the outside of the sector, and the seal
on the outside of the sector. If you're going to the expense (considerable)
of
replacing the worm and sector, its probably worth replacing at least the
bearings and the seal. The bushings must require reaming to size, but I've
never messed with those, so can't give practical advice.
There you have it, almost straight from Ol' Henry. Simple, huh?

Dan, this is an answer like yours from a few months ago. I recently moved to
Oregon and I have a stock '56 F-100 big window longbed. I haven't heard of
any "truck" shows since moving here but have been to a couple of show and
shines. It seems as though most are held in July and August but you will see
others still going on. I wish I could make it to the Octoberfest held in Mt.
Angel this weekend just east of Salem.

David
56 longbed


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From: MilFam3 aol.com
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - steering adjustment


>i know i asked this before but never got a response. can anyone tell me how....

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