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pre61-list-digest Saturday, September 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 260



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Reference Book
FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP
Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off
Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off
Re: FTE Pre61 - Gas tank
FTE Pre61 - Re: 12V Radio Question
Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off
FTE Pre61 - gas tanks
FTE Pre61 - FI IFS
Re: FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP!
FTE Pre61 - Gas Tanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP!

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:49:41 -0400
From: Ray or Fran Bell
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Reference Book

Just received a book "Ford Engine Parts Interchange." My hasty read =
last night found that it has good stuff, similar to the info that's on =
the "Ford V8 Engine" Internet site, but LOTS more.

I recommend it. Source: Car Tech Books and Manuals, 11605 Kost Dam Road, =
North Branch MN 55056, (651) 583-3471. $ 18.95 plus tax & shipping.

Sorry, it doesn't cover high-tech questions about 6V radios and gas tank =
placement.

RAY
F-1

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:57:33 PDT
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP

Roy,
6 volt solenoids were wired intnernally to battery terminal. When you press
starter button you're sending a ground signal to sol. 12 V solenoids are
grounded by mounting bracket & need a 12 V pos signal from starter button.
If your starter button only has 1 terminal (it grounds to dash through
mounting clip) you'll have to get one with 2 terminals (pos in & pos out to
solenoid "S" term). As for ign, see if you have power to + term of coil with
key on. If you do you may have the wrong resistor for that coil. In any case
you should connect a wire from "R" terminal of solenoid to coil + (either at
coil, or coil side of resistor). This is a by-pass for the resistor that
provides a full 12 V to coil while cranking, which is how Ford does it from
the factory. The other thing you'll have to do is reverse the direction the
wire goes through the amp gauge now that you've reversed polarity or gauge
will read backwards. Hope this helps. Good luck.

John

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:47:24 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off

> glenn,

Be careful using a tank with a pump in it. Most of these were meant for fuel
injected engines and will not work with carbs. I have the Isuzu tank in my '56
and it does work well and is not a major job.

Fred
hotrod56





> removed mine from
> my 57 and have sold it to someone with a 60 that is stock. I am going to
> either mount the Lincoln tank in the front of the bed or put another between
> the back from rails. I have seen and heard of Izuzu tanks bolt right up. It
> looks like a Jeep tank can fit as well. Does anybody know if a tank that has
> a fuel pump from a 4 or 6 cyl. will pump enough gas to a 5.0 V8 EFI system?
>
> Glenn in TN
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:52:28 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off

> Oooopps!

I didn't read far enough. You are Fuel Injected. They are all pretty high
pressure pumps with return lines so I think they would work just fine. You
could check the specs on replacement pumps and check the psi ratings.

Fred
hotrod56

>
> a fuel pump from a 4 or 6 cyl. will pump enough gas to a 5.0 V8 EFI system?
>
> Glenn in TN
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:54:40 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Gas tank

I have a '56 tank in good condition too if anyone wants it, cheap!
Fred

"Miguel....." wrote:

> Is there anyone who is looking for a gas tank to put in their 48-52 Ford
> truck? I have some for sale, good shape. The tank I believe is 20 Gal, and
> goes behind the seat.
>
> E-mail for more info.
>
> Miguel londono.
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 12V Radio Question

Paul,

The supply voltage of a radio has very little to do
with it's performance. A 6V radio will receive the
stations it was designed to receive(AM-FM-CB etc), the
same as a 12V radio.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

>Subject: FTE Pre61 - 12v radio question
>Technical question: Does a 12volt radio pick up more
>powerful staions
>than a 6 volt radio? Can a 6 volt radio pick up FM
>signals, or only
>those in operation when the radio was made? Will a
>small radio pick up
>weak signals? Should I get into ham radio jokes?
>Why not?
>Sorry...this happens to panel owners once in a
>while!Paul Gayda

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:58:04 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Way Off

Dennis the other option... is to fill with a nice stainless cap thru the
bed. I had the filler moved, tank cleaned and various tubes I didn't want
removed by a radiator shop. I like it.

Fred
hotrod56

clip>

> This is not a big
> deal if you don't care to cut up your frame, but I
> prefer to keep everything as close to stock as
> possible while improving the necessary problems. The
> only other option is to mount the tank higher...while
> raising your bed floor too.
>
>
> Dennis
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:58:28 -0500
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - gas tanks

mid 60's Mustang tanks fit between the frame rails...filler is on top so
you'll have to cut bed wood and add filler neck...i.e. cool-cap etc...
but it's an easy fit also much cheaper than aftermarket SS tanks... I
paid around 75.00 for my mustang unit

john


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:07:54 EDT
From: DALSTEV aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - FI IFS

Hi There,
I am new to this email list and it is terrific. I have already picked up a
few tips that have been helpful.

I have a nice 51 FI with a 302 mustang and am in the process of going with
and independent front suspension. I have considered the Mustang setups and
the brand X clip. (uhhg). I am leaning toward the Gibbons, Chrysler torsion
bar setup. Has anybody tried this and if so what do you think of it?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:40 -0400
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP!

Roy Maul wrote:
>
> I'm stumped! I just completed(???) the conversion to a 1-wire alternator on
> my '50 F-2. I
>
> When I turn on the key my guages respond and I have 12-volts at the coil.
> When I press the starter button, no response. If I use a remote starter
> button to jump the solenoid it cranks, but no spark.
>
> Can anyone help?

Many, if not all of the older 6 volt solenoid are internally powered,
and are grounded by the starter button to complete the circuit, most 12
volt solenoids are internally grounded to the case, and powered by the
ignition switch, this may be that problem's cause. As to the no spark, I
assume you have the ignition switch ON while using the remote starter?
The 12 volts stays on the coil, as the engine cranks? Try replacing the
condenser.

47 Fred
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:20:18 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Gas Tanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTEers,

Boy we need to get a life. I haven't seen this much response since somebody
announced they were dropping a ch*vy 350/350 into their Ford! Before we go
trashing Ford, remember; everybody had the tanks incab until the mid 70's. I
wonder where the engineer is who came up with that idea?

Lets here what some of the non-incab tank solutions have been!!!!

Glenn in TN
a 57 F-100 with an identity crisis!
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:15:04 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 12 volt conversion - HELP!

>I'm stumped! I just completed(???) the conversion to a 1-wire alternator on
>my '50 F-2. I disconnected the BATT, FIELD, and AMP wires from the old
>6-volt regulator. Connected the BATT and AMP wired together at the end
>where the regulator was and connected the AMP wire to the alternator.

With the 1 wire alternator you don't need the old regulator at all. All
that you have to do is run a wire from the alternator to the battery side
of the starter solenoid. The alternator already has a regulator.

>When I turn on the key my guages respond and I have 12-volts at the coil.
>When I press the starter button, no response. If I use a remote starter
>button to jump the solenoid it cranks, but no spark.

It sounds like there's a problem with the starter button or wiring. Since
the starter works with a remote switch on the solenoid you know the
solenoid is good. As for the 'no spark' aspect--maybe you got a bad coil
(slim chance but still possible). Check to see if you have spark at the
plugs. Did you change your points or condenser? Are the points gapped
properly? You might also want to peek under the breaker plate in the
distributor and make sure the little ground wire is actually grounded.
They're small and can break, and if they break you get no spark.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C--Expecting "completion" on or by 8/29/00.
1992 Mustang --The Clutch From HELL!

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