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pre61-list-digest Saturday, August 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 230



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Octane
FTE Pre61 - wheel tubs
FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers
FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel
Re: FTE Pre61 - Lead Substitute
Re: FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers
FTE Pre61 - flathead sound
Re: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound
Re: FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel
Re: FTE Pre61 - 53-56 cabs
FTE Pre61 - color of grille on '54
Re: FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers
Re: FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel
RE: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:03:06 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Octane

I am sitting here scratching my head trying to remember everything I
have ever read about lead in gas. As someone pointed out, lead waas not
used in gasoline until the 1920's, the reason being it was cheaper to
add tetra-ethyl lead (any of you guys remember putting "Ethyl" gas in
your tanks?) to improve octane than it was to refine the gas better.
This same argument would resurface in the 1960's when the move began to
remove lead from gas. In the '20s the auto makers had to redesign
engines to utilize lead, due to problems caused by lead fouling of the
valves and sparkplugs.
I believe that until the mid '50s, gas octane ratings were about the
same as we get now, but began to climb when the horsepower wars began.
Then, of course, it would become a big marketing item to advertise
octane ratings in excess of 90, 100, or even over 110! By this time, of
course, engines were adapted to the use of lead, which lubricates the
valves, along with reducing knock. These adaptations included soft valve
seats and valves, so those of us with engines built prior to the
reintroduction of no-lead gas are faced with installing hardened valve
seats or driving more slowly to avoid valve recession.
I didn't mean to turn this into a dissertation! I hope this clears the
air a little!
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Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:10:18 -0500
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - wheel tubs

has anyone installed large enough tires/wheels that you needed to tub the
bed ??
I could use some assistance and pointers from you gurus on this. I've
found a nice set
of wheel tubs at the junkyard and they're cutting them out today....

Suggestions ?????

john


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:48:22 -0700
From: Ken Toop
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers

The coating I applied to my aftermarket headers didn't quite live up to the
manufacturer's claims. They now look like they have a very bad peely
sunburn. I read an ad about header wraps. Does anyone have experince with
this type of product? Better "the mummy", perhaps, than what I have now.
It's embarassing to lift the hood as it is now.

'57 F-100 long-bed 5.0 4V T5 3.70



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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:43:49 EDT
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel

I've been driving since I was 11 years old. My parents had a 55 Super 88
Olds and it required High Octane Leaded Fuel. There may be no mention in
owners manuals requiring leaded fuel because it was always in the fuel. We
didn't hear about "Unleaded" until fairly recently. In 1960 I remember
Chevron/Standard Oil came out with the "White" pump and it was, I believe,
103 Octane. I used it in my 40 Ford/Chrysler Hemi and it purred. Unleaded
didn't come around until the EPA had to do something to earn their keep and
they continue to mess up our fuel such as MTBE in our gas in 12 states which
is rotting gaskets, and making people sick. After 3 years of fighting it, I
see now where the EPA has admitted it is a real bad additive. Meanwhile many
people have spent lots of money repairing boats and cars from the effects of
MTBE and many doctors visits. Anyway, for the 40+ years I have been hot
rodding, leaded fuel has been around.
Mel
53 F100
34 5w
34 roadster
70 El Camino
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:30:22 -0400
From: "Frank Mester Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Lead Substitute

FYI,

In Wooden Boat magazine, number 91, November/December 1989 there is an excellent
article on "unleaded Gas". It was written by Gordon H. Millar, retired vice
president, engineering, for John Deere & Co. and past president of the SAE. I
have stopped using additives in my truck and boat after reading this article.

Frank, '51 F1 "lizzy", '51 CC Riviera "Beatsworkin'"

PBRUHN aol.com wrote:

> Driving a '52 F-1 with a flathead V8 - does it make sense to use the lead
> substitute to help "lubricate" the valve seats, etc.??? I've been using it
> but wondered what others are doing where they have the original engines, etc.
> Bruno
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:57:31 -0700
From: Kevin Coughlin
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers

I have been warned against header wraps because they tend to promote moisture
in the headers and rust them badly. I have had good luck with Dynomax Ceramic
coated headers, but they are pricey......... I think the makers of POR15 now
have a coating for headers (not sure, think I read it somewhere). I used a
paint from AutoZone (local auto parts store), made by 'Dupli-Color', High
Heat, with Ceramic, it has held very good so far but the color came out wrong
after they were heated. They are supposed to be flat black, but they turned
almost brown. Anyway, good luck.

Ken Toop wrote:

> The coating I applied to my aftermarket headers didn't quite live up to the
> manufacturer's claims. They now look like they have a very bad peely
> sunburn. I read an ad about header wraps. Does anyone have experince with
> this type of product? Better "the mummy", perhaps, than what I have now.
> It's embarassing to lift the hood as it is now.
>
> '57 F-100 long-bed 5.0 4V T5 3.70
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:26:29 -0400
From: "Miguel....."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound

I was able to get the sound from my 53 flathead into the computer, if you
want to hear it the address is:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/f1/sounds.htm


Miguel.


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:08:10 -0700
From: "shawn"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound

the link is not working correctly.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel.....
To: Posting ; flathead posting

Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:26 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound


> I was able to get the sound from my 53 flathead into the computer, if you
> want to hear it the address is:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/f1/sounds.htm
>
>
> Miguel.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:45:03 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel

Well, to bracket the other end of the spectrum, a 1966 Mustang owner's
manual just specifies the octane rating for gas (94.5 for regular, 98 for
premium, but using the 'research' method only, so don't get too excited).
At that time, Amoco was the only widely available unleaded gas I was aware
of so I'm not surprised the manual doesn't say anything about leaded or
unleaded gas.

I did search the web for more info on unleaded gas and valve wear and found
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mossmotors.com/techtips/generic/fuelcarburetiongeneric.html
(it's a long article, but the stuff on unleaded gas is at the front). It
claims that in one test of a V6 engine without hardened valve seats running
at high RPM for 48 hours straight showed over 1/16" of valve seat wear, but
didn't make any attempt to correlate that to normal highway or city
driving. It did say that the fix is "special chrome-nickel alloy valve seat
inserts" (along with hardened valves and special valve guides) which is
what Ford's specifications for the 1937 V8 had (both valve seats and valves).

Does anyone know when Ford stopped using hardened valve seats?

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:15:49 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 53-56 cabs

I thought they would be. I guess if I stay with a '53-'55 I should be okay
with the running boards and all. I don't really care about originality.
Just about everything on the truck is there....it needs to be
restored....but the cab and doors are the only things in really bad shape.

If I don't have any luck finding a cab, I'll probably part it out.

- -Ted
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From: Meats56 aol.com
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:53 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53-56 cabs


>My bad on my last reply to the truck cabs. They are interchangeable but the
>56 cab is different. Not reading the question right. sorry again.
>
>
>Meat
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:26:00 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - color of grille on '54

Shawn, I just got my '54 back from the body shop and my grille looks
tremedous! A lot of guys make fun of the '54 grille but I (and Don
Neighbors) think it has character! After alot of research that proved
inconclusive it was here that I got help. The books available to me gave
the color of the '55 and '56 grilles as snowshoe white, but no mention
of '54. My grille looked white but it could have been repainted. I
bought new parking lights at Carlisle and they were cream.
My friends at FTE said it was cream but no one had a paint #. I found
out about Color-ite and they helped me. Their web site is:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.color-ite.com/ If you send them a SASE they will send you a
paint chip no charge. I got a chip for the meadow green color and the
cream color of the grille. I also later asked for and received a chip of
the color for the FORD letters on the hubcaps.
Good luck Shawn, and keep us posted!
Abe '54 F-100
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:45:18 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Peeling headers

I had my headers ceramic coated by HPC, and the are resistant to heat stains
and stay bright. They look like polished aluminum, and never get dull. I
cleaned them with Windex and get a great shine. It cost me about $125.00 to
have them done, but to me, it was worth the price.


Tom Nickolson
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:52:26 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Leaded Fuel

Unleaded fuel was offered by AMOCO in the 50's. It was called the white gas
and was their High Test. My Grandfather used "White Gas" exclusively because
it did not foul the plugs. A flathead will operate just fine on today's fuel,
I suggest using regular only and not high test. The engine runs better and
not as hot.
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:11:44 -0400
From: "Miguel....."
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - flathead sound

Just to let you know:
The links to the sound should be working because some people were able to
hear it. The problem is that the server were the files are, is down. But it
should be working some time later. Try again tomorrow.....


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