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pre61-list-digest Friday, August 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 229



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1948 truck and vans
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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Update on your 56
FTE Pre61 - Cabs
FTE Pre61 - On the road again
FTE Pre61 - Request for info
RE: FTE Pre61 - Cabs
Re: FTE Pre61 - Cabs
FTE Pre61 - 53-56 cabs
FTE Pre61 - New 54 F100 owner
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Lead sub
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Lead sub
FTE Pre61 - Truck Hunting
FTE Pre61 - Re: 56 F-350 engine swap
Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Hunting

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:30:35 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Update on your 56

Hey Michelle did you get your 56 back on the road yet. We have not heard any
updates from you.


Meat
56 smallwindow
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:57 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Cabs

Are the '53-'56 cabs interchangable?

- -Ted

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:23:57 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: FTE Pre61 - On the road again

Well guys, it's been a year an a half of work. but
my '56 is waiting for insurance and plates.
Otherwise pretty much done.

I wanted to say thanks to you all for the help and
advice. And, a couple of you for parts. Michelle
especially for the advice and encouragement. Ken for
having the site in the first place.

Here is two addresses in case any of you are curious
as to what I've done. The first one is the last page
I did which shows the finished truck. the other is
the main address that has progress pictures and
other links.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com:80/MotorCity/Garage/7442/roundone.html

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com:80/MotorCity/Garage/7442/indexa.html

Thanks again
Fred
Hotrod'56



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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:49:30 -0600
From: "Kitchen, Ken"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Request for info

I have a '55 F-100 chassis I would like to know the value of. The chassis is
complete. It has the rear-end, front axle, 4 speed tranny, 272 V8 engine and
radiator. The engine runs great. Anyone have any idea what it is worth?
Thanks,
Ken Kitchen
Colorado Springs, CO
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:17:27 -0400
From: "Miguel....."
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Cabs

they are but take into account that the windows, doors and floor are
different.

Miguel.


>Are the '53-'56 cabs interchangable?
>
>-Ted
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:33:38 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Cabs

Nope they are not. The 56 has a wrap around windshield and the 53.54, and 55
are not. The doors are also different on the 56.



Meat
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:53:03 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53-56 cabs

My bad on my last reply to the truck cabs. They are interchangeable but the
56 cab is different. Not reading the question right. sorry again.


Meat
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:38:51 -0700
From: "shawn"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - New 54 F100 owner

Does anyone know the Ford colour of the front grill on a 54 f100. Its a
sharp looking
almond, off white colour. I would like to paint my grill the same factory
colour.

Many member truck pictures i have seen have this colour and it looks great
and
somewhat cheaper than chrome plating.

Would also love to hear from others who my have purchased their first F100
and first time knowledge.

Shawn..
54 F100
Green as grass newbie.
What the heck have i got myself into stage.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:31:34 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Lead sub

At 10:01 AM 8/11/1999 -0400, HDMel95 aol.com wrote:

>The valve in the old flatheads were not made for unleaded fuel. You probably
>are experiencing your truck running better all the time. The lead used to
>coat and cool valves in the old days and they were able to seat better,
>therefore compression was better. The valves in newer engines are treated
>for higher temps and therefore don't burn. If your truck had been running on
>unleaded before you bought it and you started using lead subs, it is possible
>the coating is building up and your compression is getting better.

I thought that the really _early_ flatheads were unlikely to have been
designed for leaded fuel but haven't found anything definitive yet.
Apparently leaded gas was invented in the early 20's (in a joint venture
between General Motors, Standard Oil and Dupont), overcame some early
health scares (which in the long run were justified), and had become common
by 1940.

However, an original 1935 truck manual makes no mention of leaded gas (or
unleaded gas) as a requirement, but does advise the owner to have the
ignition timing changed for a different octane rating. Also, the reprint of
Ford V8 service bulletins doesn't say anything about fuel requirements, and
the specifications for the 1937 models (the latest covered in this book of
service bulletins) describe the exhaust valve seats as "High-tungsten,
chrome-alloy steel inserts" which sounds to me like they were not specially
designed for leaded fuel at that point.


Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:41:53 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Lead sub

"Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote:
>
> At 10:01 AM 8/11/1999 -0400, HDMel95 aol.com wrote:
>
> >The valve in the old flatheads were not made for unleaded fuel. You probably
> >are experiencing your truck running better all the time. The lead used to
> >coat and cool valves in the old days and they were able to seat better,
> >therefore compression was better. The valves in newer engines are treated
> >for higher temps and therefore don't burn. If your truck had been running on
> >unleaded before you bought it and you started using lead subs, it is possible
> >the coating is building up and your compression is getting better.
>
> I thought that the really _early_ flatheads were unlikely to have been
> designed for leaded fuel but haven't found anything definitive yet.
> Apparently leaded gas was invented in the early 20's (in a joint venture
> between General Motors, Standard Oil and Dupont), overcame some early
> health scares (which in the long run were justified), and had become common
> by 1940.
>
> However, an original 1935 truck manual makes no mention of leaded gas (or
> unleaded gas) as a requirement, but does advise the owner to have the
> ignition timing changed for a different octane rating. Also, the reprint of
> Ford V8 service bulletins doesn't say anything about fuel requirements, and
> the specifications for the 1937 models (the latest covered in this book of
> service bulletins) describe the exhaust valve seats as "High-tungsten,
> chrome-alloy steel inserts" which sounds to me like they were not specially
> designed for leaded fuel at that point.
>
> Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html

Curiosity; when was high test brought to market? I've seen old photos of
one pump stations and still remember buying regular for my 3/8 x 3/8
Flathead. Regular octane in 1955 must have been, when compared to
today's politically driven unleaded octane ratings, up in the middle
90s. 100 and 100+ octane, at a premium price, were advertised by most
retail oil companies.

George Miller
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:02:30 -0700
From: "R. R. Gehres"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Truck Hunting

Greetings to all, and especially any folk in the Northwest.
(Washington, Oregon, Idaho).

Well as plans often do, a purchase I had hoped to complete that would
have finally obtained my Grandfather's COE from a relative has fallen
through, and won't likely ever happen. So.....I am seriously looking
for a decent 1948 Ford COE. I have cash and am interested in doing a
serious and full restoration. I am not interested in any rust buckets
or basket cases, but might consider additional rig(s) for parts.

Thanks in advance for any help in locating such a vehicle.
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:05:24 -0600
From: LOERT JIOUY
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 56 F-350 engine swap

Hello all,

I am new to this list, been on the Galaxie club list for a year now,
anyway. I have had a 56 1 ton for three years now and finally figured
out its future. It gets a 460 out of a 77 country squire with a C-6. I
am hoping a few of you out there have some helpful hints on this swap, it
originally had a cracked 272. I now know I need major cooling capacity.
Have any of you done this swap, or any other big block C-6 combos. It is
going to take a while, but it will be done right with the time I take.

Thanks in advance,
Chris Francis
C-E-F Juno.com
64 gal, 56 F-350, 97 F-150
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:24:33 -0500
From: "Byron Rosbrugh"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Hunting

Is a COE, cab over engine?? I did not understand what exactly you are
looking for. Byron Rosbrugh
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From: R. R. Gehres
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:00 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Truck Hunting


>Greetings to all, and especially any folk in the Northwest.
>(Washington, Oregon, Idaho).
>
>Well as plans often do, a purchase I had hoped to complete that would
>have finally obtained my Grandfather's COE from a relative has fallen
>through, and won't likely ever happen. So.....I am seriously looking
>for a decent 1948 Ford COE. I have cash and am interested in doing a
>serious and full restoration. I am not interested in any rust buckets
>or basket cases, but might consider additional rig(s) for parts.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help in locating such a vehicle.....


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