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pre61-list-digest Wednesday, August 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 220



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - HELP! 272-292 no oil
Re: FTE Pre61 - 390 pinging after 55 mph.
FTE Pre61 - Lead Substitute
FTE Pre61 - Re: Pictures of "The General"
FTE Pre61 - Re:HELP! 272-292 no oil
FTE Pre61 - First Cruise
FTE Pre61 - Upcoming Y-Block Book
FTE Pre61 - First laps...
RE: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
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FTE Pre61 - Re:

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:13:24 -0400
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - HELP! 272-292 no oil

Ennui880 aol.com wrote:
>
> Please help. I am freaking out. I just emptied the oil pan to change the oil
> on my 56 F-250, and all of 3 and a half quarts came out. On level ground,
> etc., etc,, The dipstick read full. all week. Here's some history:
> Last week:
> He said he had to
> change some things over, like the oil pan. And he "moved the dipstick"
> or something like that. When all was said and done, it ran, but sounded like
> hell.
>i'm
> wondering is it's seriously damaged from lack of oil on the new engine.
> Anyone change from a truck engine to a passenger car engine? Does this sound
> familiar? Oil pan depth vs. dipstick level markings?
> Mostly I'm worried that if I'm wrong, on the oil level, and I put a bunch of
> quarts
> in, I'll have too much nd blow a seal or two. But if only three quarts
> drained out,
> than that's how much there was, right?
>
Advice From 47Fred

1: Find a new garage, or give up working, you are not treading water
here, you're sinking. Truck pans are different than passenger car pans,
and so will be the dipstick.
2: Put 1 quart less than the full amount of oil in the engine, allow
for filter if you've changed it. Start the engine and run a few minutes,
stop and make a mark on the dipstick, (after it sits a moment) for
"low". Add the missing quart, remark the dipstick for "full"
3: Testing a seal will NOT crack an engine putting the main caps in
backward might. How do you "test a seal"? The engine has to be together
and running before a seal can get oil.
4: Overfilling with oil will not "blow a seal", running dry will blow
everything. 5: Adjust the valves, don't let your garage friend do it,
find a competent mechanic. Panic AFTER the valves are adjusted.
6: Hook up the oil presure gauge/light ASAP.
7: Find a new mechanic, consider a lawsuit for the oil one for
malpractice.
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:43:10 MST
From: "Jeff Thomas"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 390 pinging after 55 mph.

Hi,Tulio, In your post you mention "normal parameters" for heat. What temp
does your 390 run at? Mine(stock '65 4bbl) runs at 195-200 90% of the time.
I'm not sure if this is normal or too warm. In traffic, stopped, it warms to
210-220 on a warm day. Spec is a 195 t-stat. Any thoughts?


>From: Tulio
>Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - 390 pinging after 55 mph.
>Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:40:08 -0700
>
>Personal Update:
>
> I had some time today to work on 'truckie' (as my wife likes to call
>it). I found that distributor mechanical weight springs were not in
>good tension condition. I replaced them with new springs. That
>improved the full throttle pickup. Then, I found that the Crane Cam
>adjustable vacuum advance was out of adjustment and the engine ran very
>rough. I adjusted it (ccw 6 turns) until it ran with good smooth
>pickup. I took it back on the freeway and accelerated full throttle to
>65 mph and held it there for about 2 miles. It began to make noise by
>the next exit and had to get off the freeway to allow it to settle
>down. I repaired the temp gauge wiring today so I kept my eye on the
>temp. It stayed within normal perameters. I then readjusted the
>adjustable vacuum advance and tried it once more and this time it was
>quiet..... but, I only got up to 60 mph because of traffic. In any case
>I noticed a very appreciable improvement in acceleration smoothness with
>the advance repairs. I still feel there is more to repair to eliminate
>the ping at 65 mph but... I feel there was good improvement tonight.
>BTW.. It is a FT engine block with FE heads. I was reviewing my Big
>Block engine repair book. I am now using Premium petro now. Hoping to
>break the 55 mph ping barrier!
>--
>Tulio Solorzano
>'60 F-100 Custom Cab
>'79 HD Sportster
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:55:06 EDT
From: PBRUHN aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Lead Substitute

Driving a '52 F-1 with a flathead V8 - does it make sense to use the lead
substitute to help "lubricate" the valve seats, etc.??? I've been using it
but wondered what others are doing where they have the original engines, etc.
Bruno
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:46:57 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Pictures of "The General"

Ken Payne:

I have been asked if their are any pictures of my 52 F1. I gave you a set in
PF. Would you please update the pictorial of my truck.

Thanks

Tom Nickolson
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:18:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re:HELP! 272-292 no oil

I'd find a new mechanic.
Three quarts of oil coming out isn't that bad, it's
only one quart low since there is one in the filter. I
doubt any damage was done. Add four quarts unless you
change the filter then add five. Mark the dipstick at
that level. The valve noise is because the rockers are
not getting oil, put in an oiler kit. Get your oil
pressure gauge hooked up.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

>Please help. I am freaking out. I just emptied the
>oil pan to changethe oil
>on my 56 F-250, and all of 3 and a half quarts came
>out. On levelground,
>etc., etc,, The dipstick read full. all week. Here's
>some history:Last week:
>The original 272 had to go, because the block was
>cracked. I bought a292.
>From a 56 Passenger wagon, I'm told. Only 300 bucks.
>Didn't hear itrun.
>Had my mechanic pull the old 272, and drop in the
>292. He said he hadto
>change some things over, like the oil pan. And he
>"moved the dipstick"
>or something like that. When all was said and done,
>it ran, but soundedlike
>hell.Sort of a camlifters or camlobe grinding sound.
>But good compression .
>What the hell, it was an emergency (it's a work
>truck). So we'll getit
>rebuilt someday. Whatever. But today I am changing
>the oil, and outcomes
>three and a half quarts. That's all. Dipstick reads
>full. So theychanged,
>they say,,the location ofthe dipstick on the new 292,

>along with the oil pan (they used my old 272 pan),
>but they didn't usethe
>old 272 dipstick.(which would go with the 272 pan
>depth?) They usedthe
>292 dipstick, and it has been reading "full" for the
>last two weeks.Except
>that therewas actually only three quarts of oil in
>the engine. So have I ruined
>the engine?
>Sacramento Vintage says that since there is a quart
>in the filter, if Ihad three
>quarts in the engine, I'm o.k. They say that i
>should put in the fivequarts
>and make my own mark on the dipstick, indicating the
>new "full" level.
>The top end noise may be a valve adjustment or may
>need outside oillines
>(we've all seen those). Perhaps if the garage had
>hooked up the oilpressure
>switch I might have known, but they forgot.
>If you like a good story-- It initally ran out of oil
>(the 272) andblew the
>rear seal ; it
>needed seals, cam plugs, main bearings, a new clutch,
>and upon testingthe
>new seals, at the garage, they say the block suddenly
>cracked. $1200 inparts
>and laborand the engine is useless. So we negotiated
>down to 800, and I
>purchased another engine (292) which they put in. And
>they charged me 900 bucks
>for installation!
>I could've done it myself, but i had to work. So,
>$1700 into the truck,and i'm
>wondering is it's seriously damaged from lack of oil
>on the new engine.
>Anyone change from a truck engine to a passenger car
>engine? Does thissound
>familiar? Oil pan depth vs. dipstick level markings?
>Mostly I'm worried that if I'm wrong, on the oil
>level, and I put abunch of
>quartsin, I'll have too much nd blow a seal or two.
>But if only three quarts
>drained out,than that's how much there was,
>right?Please, some advice! Steve


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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:30:56 -0700
From: Ken Toop
Subject: FTE Pre61 - First Cruise

My daughter and I returned Sunday from a 400-mile camping trip with the
'57. The 5.0 towed my little pop-up trailer and cargo nicely (about 1400
lbs.) I found I could drop it into 5th gear and cruise at 60 mph and 2000
rpm without a problem. It is running 15-inch tires and a 3.70. We
averaged 15 miles per gallon. It still looks like heck with rough paint,
but it was the hit of the campout! Now plans have to shift to quieting
down the exhaust a bit, the turbos don't quite do it. You know it's too
loud when you can't hear the stereo! Also, it's time to look at
air-conditioning. The drive back down the Colombia River gorge on a hot
(95+ degree) Sunday afternoon left something to be desired. I'm glad I
went to the trouble and expense of a new radiator. A word to those of you
who are struggling with your project truck: Don't give up and don't
despair! It's worth all the sweat and profanity when you are able to fire
up and roll.

'57 F-100 long-bed 5.0 4V T5 3.70



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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:23:21 -0700
From: Marilyn Boese
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Upcoming Y-Block Book

Doc Frohmader called last week and we were complimenting him on the
"Y-Notta Y-Block" article series in Street Rodder. He says he will put
all installments of the series, plus other information, in book form
when he is finished. So fear not, Y-block builders, if you didn't get
all issues back to January.
He is currently working up a parts supplier list for an upcoming issue.
I think he deserves a lot of credit for a thorough job. If you've read
Doc over the years, you know he is not just a Ford guy. And let's face
it: Y-blocks have their unique issues.
I'll try to remember to put a notice here when I see the book. Don't
hold your breath -- it will be awhile.

Marilyn reds-headers.com

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:11:33 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: FTE Pre61 - First laps...

Well, she fired, she moves and she stops.
It is a great feeling.
I'm having one difficulty, and one concern. So far.

The difficulty is she will run down the street just
fine. Sits and idles in park or neutral just fine.
Put it in gear and if I raise the idle she chirps a
little tire and then moves. Lower the idle she
stalls? Also coming up to a stop sign, she wants to
stall??

The other concern is my power brakes. Everything is
new so maybe it's just tight. But the pedal is hard
right from the top. It stops, but its not like my
other cars with power brakes? A little soft pedal,
and then progressive stopping power. This is more
like power brakes without the power?

Any suggestions would be more than welcome.

Thanks
Fred
Hotrod '56


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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:03:07 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

>
> I was afraid you were going to say that. The glove box door
> is there...the
> guts are missing and there was no plate on the door. I was
> hoping there
> would be a VIN on the frame like my '68 has. If you here of another
> location to look let me know.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> -Ted
>
Ted,

Behind the radiator, pass side, on top of the frame. However, mine was
coated with 45 years of gunk, I couldn't read it till after the frame
was blasted, look hard.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:51:34 -0400
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

Is that stamped into the frame and is it a real VIN number? I didn't know
if 55's came with a VIN or not.



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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:57:41 -0400
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

At 04:51 PM 8/3/1999 -0400, Jason Piccola wrote:
>Is that stamped into the frame and is it a real VIN number? I didn't know
>if 55's came with a VIN or not.

Certainly not the current standard VIN like 1FAD... where the first
character is country of origin, second character is manufacturer, and so on
since these weren't standardized until 1968 or so (from memory, but I know
1966 cars did NOT have this type of VIN). But the manufacturer's
serial/frame number is used instead of the VIN (in Massachusetts, at least)
on title and registration.

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:08:35 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

Thanks for the info....I hope to have a chance and look tomorrow afternoon.
Kinda ran out of daylight today.

I let you know what I find!

- -Ted

>>
>Ted,
>
>Behind the radiator, pass side, on top of the frame. However, mine was
>coated with 45 years of gunk, I couldn't read it till after the frame
>was blasted, look hard.
>
>Rich
>54 F100
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:23:05 -0400
From: "sam fugate"
Subject: [none]

I am usually pretty quiet, lurking in the background reading everything you
folks have to say about your problems and solutions and have gathered some
pretty good info! So come on guys give your opinion:::

I am rebuilding a 1950 Merc. flathead (not stock) to go into my 51 FORD F1,
My problem is, which way do I go with the oil filtering system. Partial
flow? or full flow? I'm gettin conflicting opinions from the guys that are
bending over the fenders (as my loving wife puts it).
I'm boring the engine .030 over , Isky MAX 1 cam aluminum heads and 3 -2
intake. You know ,, all the good stuff! Should I stray from Nostalgia? and
get umphed at from the old guys at the shows?
whaddya think?

Sam Fugate
Sam I Am!


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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:07:04 -0400
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re:

Sam,
Just a thought from an old rookie( I'm currently redoing a '50 F-1 w/
flathead .060 over same cam & looking for a 2-2or 3-2 intake for my 1st try)
I would think that w/ all those alterations that anything that makes as much
sense as improved oil flow shouldn't get umphed at. I know that I couldn't
give a flip what anyone else thinks if what I do makes for a better ride.
Did you tear down your own engine? Do you remember all that sludge? Mine
looked like it had a bag of coal poured in & run. Get Frank Oddo's book. It
has a section on adding an oil system.
Good luck w/ your project
BillyRob

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From: sam fugate
To: list
Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:35 PM


>I am usually pretty quiet, lurking in the background reading everything you
>folks have to say about your problems and solutions and have gathered some
>pretty good info! So come on guys give your opinion:::
>
>I am rebuilding a 1950 Merc. flathead (not stock) to go into my 51 FORD F1,
>My problem is, which way do I go with the oil filtering system. Partial
>flow? or full flow? I'm gettin conflicting opinions from the guys that are
>bending over the fenders (as my loving wife puts it).....

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