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pre61-list-digest Tuesday, August 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 219



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 56 f-600
FTE Pre61 - truck years
FTE Pre61 - SASE?
Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
RE: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
FTE Pre61 - More bad news
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
FTE Pre61 - HELP! 272-292 no oil
Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - More bad news
FTE Pre61 - 390 pinging after 55 mph.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:58:29 -0700
From: "Ken Laffoon"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 56 f-600

Hi Guys,

I have bought a f-600 big window and am debating what to do with it. It has
a 292, two speed rear axle. and a grain bed that dumps. I originally
planned to take the sheetmetal off and put it on a f-100 frame and that is
probably what I will end up doing. The truck is 300 miles away and has not
been started in 4 years so I have to have it hauled to me if I take anything
more than the sheetmetal. I'm throwing this out for discussion and would
like to hear some opinions about if I should get the whole truck are not.
It is going to cost me about 400 dollars to have the monster delivered.


Thanks,
Ken L.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - truck years

I'm making a page that tells what Ford has done through the years to
change their trucks. I am just going from as early as I can to 1960.
If anyone has info that I could use or photos of stock trucks with all
the trim or most of it could you email me OFF LIST?
Thanks
Scott wm_69 yahoo.com

_____________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:57:17 -0400
From: "Bill Hale"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

I'm looking through Hemmings magazine and see a lot of ads requesting SASE.
Can someone tell me what it stands for?
Thanks,
Bill Hale
wlhale csrlink.net

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:04:15 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

Self Addressed Stamped Envelope



>I'm looking through Hemmings magazine and see a lot of ads requesting SASE.
>Can someone tell me what it stands for?
>Thanks,
>Bill Hale


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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:05:23 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

Can some one tell me where the VIN numbers are located on a 55?

- -Ted

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:12:29 -0500
From: Jeff Hazewinkel
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

Self Addressed Stamped Envelope

Bill Hale wrote:

> I'm looking through Hemmings magazine and see a lot of ads requesting SASE.
> Can someone tell me what it stands for?
> Thanks,
> Bill Hale
> wlhale csrlink.net
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:16:40 -0500
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

normally self addressed stamped envelope

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Hale [SMTP:wlhale csrlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 1:57 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - SASE?
>
> I'm looking through Hemmings magazine and see a lot of ads requesting
> SASE.
> Can someone tell me what it stands for?
> Thanks,
> Bill Hale
> wlhale csrlink.net
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:28:25 -0400
From: "Bill Hale"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

> Self Addressed Stamped Envelope
>
Boy, do I feel stupid.
And I thought it was some kind of certification!
You can tell I'm new to the old truck world.
Thanks,
Bill



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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:48:41 -0400
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

I do not think there is on specific VIN number on the 55's. I have a 55'
F-250 and I have a plate located on the glove box. It contains information
like color, engine, serial# (which contains year, plant assembled at, and
plant sequence), transmission and rear end ratio. I am not aware of any
other place (other than the door post) that has ID numbers. Please correct
me if I am wrong.

Jason Piccola
55 F-250

Ted and Sarah Freeman wrote:

> Can some one tell me where the VIN numbers are located on a 55?
>
> -Ted
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:03:01 -0400
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - SASE?

SASE= Self Addressed Stamped Envelope-- You must expect to get something, a
picture, specifications or something!!

Joebob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hale
To:
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - SASE?


> I'm looking through Hemmings magazine and see a lot of ads requesting
SASE.
> Can someone tell me what it stands for?
> Thanks,
> Bill Hale
> wlhale csrlink.net
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:58:31 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - More bad news

FTEers,

Well, it has been as hot as a firecracker in Memphis for at least 2 weeks.
Soapy is getting very lonely for it. I have been stalled at the wiring phase
since this heatwave. I wanted to bite the bullet and pay someone to do it, so
I got a quote. How many people agree that $2500 is too much to pay for a
wiring job on a truck that cost $800? So its back to the drawing board.

Paul, I haven't called EZ yet. I think that is the next step. But here is my
question: has anybody ever changed an EFI over to a carburetor? I know I will
have to change the distributor. Is there anything else I'm missing? I think I
can get the necessary equipment for much less than $2500!

What do you think? Let me hear from you. There is still a little voice on my
shoulder tell me I should have gone with the 350sb (don't worry -- I;m
washing my keyboard for saying that).

Glenn in TN
Soapy the 57 F-100
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:09:37 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

I was afraid you were going to say that. The glove box door is there...the
guts are missing and there was no plate on the door. I was hoping there
would be a VIN on the frame like my '68 has. If you here of another
location to look let me know.

Thanks for the info.

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Piccola
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers


>I do not think there is on specific VIN number on the 55's. I have a 55'
>F-250 and I have a plate located on the glove box. It contains information
>like color, engine, serial# (which contains year, plant assembled at, and
>plant sequence), transmission and rear end ratio. I am not aware of any
>other place (other than the door post) that has ID numbers. Please correct
>me if I am wrong.
>
>Jason Piccola
>55 F-250
>
>Ted and Sarah Freeman wrote:
>
>> Can some one tell me where the VIN numbers are located on a 55?
>>
>> -Ted
>>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:49:21 EDT
From: Ennui880 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - HELP! 272-292 no oil

Please help. I am freaking out. I just emptied the oil pan to change the oil
on my 56 F-250, and all of 3 and a half quarts came out. On level ground,
etc., etc,, The dipstick read full. all week. Here's some history:
Last week:
The original 272 had to go, because the block was cracked. I bought a 292.
From a 56 Passenger wagon, I'm told. Only 300 bucks. Didn't hear it run.
Had my mechanic pull the old 272, and drop in the 292. He said he had to
change some things over, like the oil pan. And he "moved the dipstick"
or something like that. When all was said and done, it ran, but sounded like
hell.
Sort of a camlifters or camlobe grinding sound. But good compression .
What the hell, it was an emergency (it's a work truck). So we'll get it
rebuilt someday. Whatever. But today I am changing the oil, and out comes
three and a half quarts. That's all. Dipstick reads full. So they changed,
they say,,the location of
the dipstick on the new 292,
along with the oil pan (they used my old 272 pan), but they didn't use the
old 272 dipstick.(which would go with the 272 pan depth?) They used the
292 dipstick, and it has been reading "full" for the last two weeks. Except
that there
was actually only three quarts of oil in the engine. So have I ruined the
engine?
Sacramento Vintage says that since there is a quart in the filter, if I had
three
quarts in the engine, I'm o.k. They say that i should put in the five quarts
and make my own mark on the dipstick, indicating the new "full" level.
The top end noise may be a valve adjustment or may need outside oil lines
(we've all seen those). Perhaps if the garage had hooked up the oil pressure
switch I might have known, but they forgot.
If you like a good story-- It initally ran out of oil (the 272) and blew the
rear seal ; it
needed seals, cam plugs, main bearings, a new clutch, and upon testing the
new seals, at the garage, they say the block suddenly cracked. $1200 in parts
and labor
and the engine is useless. So we negotiated down to 800, and I purchased
another engine (292) which they put in. And they charged me 900 bucks for
installation!
I could've done it myself, but i had to work. So, $1700 into the truck, and
i'm
wondering is it's seriously damaged from lack of oil on the new engine.
Anyone change from a truck engine to a passenger car engine? Does this sound
familiar? Oil pan depth vs. dipstick level markings?
Mostly I'm worried that if I'm wrong, on the oil level, and I put a bunch of
quarts
in, I'll have too much nd blow a seal or two. But if only three quarts
drained out,
than that's how much there was, right?

Please, some advice!

Steve


P>S> I wonder if there are "car shrinks?"
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:24:59 EDT
From: APoppert aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - VIN Numbers

Check top of frame, pass. Side. Allen
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:44:33 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - More bad news

Glenn,
I'm just finishing up my '56 getting ready to do the Woodward cruise. Thousands
of street rods, custom cars and classics form all over the country come to
Detroit to do this each August. Anyway, I ordered a EZ Wire harness for $195.
and it took me a few days to do it but it was pretty easy. The only problem I
had was getting my front and rear turn signals to work right. I have fiberglass
front and rear pans, so I had to run extra ground wires to each one.

Can't help with the EFI, (My engine is a 4 barrel) but one of the magazines just
ran an article on that I think... I'll look and see if I can find it.

Fred
Hotrod '56
...almost on the road

RJC988 aol.com wrote:

>
> Paul, I haven't called EZ yet. I think that is the next step. But here is my
> question: has anybody ever changed an EFI over to a carburetor? I know I will
> have to change the distributor. Is there anything else I'm missing? I think I
> can get the necessary equipment for much less than $2500!

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:40:08 -0700
From: Tulio
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 390 pinging after 55 mph.

Personal Update:

I had some time today to work on 'truckie' (as my wife likes to call
it). I found that distributor mechanical weight springs were not in
good tension condition. I replaced them with new springs. That
improved the full throttle pickup. Then, I found that the Crane Cam
adjustable vacuum advance was out of adjustment and the engine ran very
rough. I adjusted it (ccw 6 turns) until it ran with good smooth
pickup. I took it back on the freeway and accelerated full throttle to
65 mph and held it there for about 2 miles. It began to make noise by
the next exit and had to get off the freeway to allow it to settle
down. I repaired the temp gauge wiring today so I kept my eye on the
temp. It stayed within normal perameters. I then readjusted the
adjustable vacuum advance and tried it once more and this time it was
quiet..... but, I only got up to 60 mph because of traffic. In any case
I noticed a very appreciable improvement in acceleration smoothness with
the advance repairs. I still feel there is more to repair to eliminate
the ping at 65 mph but... I feel there was good improvement tonight.....


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