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pre61-list-digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 208



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Radio settings - 51 trucks, boats, ...
Re: FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph
FTE Pre61 - Radio and engine color
Re: FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph
FTE Pre61 - Ford 390 Pinging past 55mph
FTE Pre61 - Re:FORD 390 pinging past 55mph
FTE Pre61 - pinging 390 and don't use slick-50
FTE Pre61 - COE
FTE Pre61 - shaved door handle operation
FTE Pre61 - Interiors
FTE Pre61 - shaved door handles, etc
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:41:33 -0400
From: "Frank Mester Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Radio settings - 51 trucks, boats, ...

Nope, born in '38. She's got a Gray Marine 620, 4 cyl. 60HP.

Frank

JRFiero aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/21/1999 8:06:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> fmester ibm.net writes:
>
> > Frank '51 F1 "Lizzy", '51 CC 16' Riviera "BeatsWorkin"
> >
> Born in '51, by any chance? We ought to start a club ...
> What powers the CC?
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:40:42 -0400
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph

I'm not big on aftermarket additives to fix a problem. To me it's like
putting a band aid on a broken arm...stopped the bleeding but the arms still
broken.

Is this a new engine or has it been in a while? What's you're compression
ratio. If you have a high compression ratio, you may need to run a better
grade of fuel. If it's to high, you may need to add the lead additive for
it to run quietly. You should be able to retard the timing some in this
case as well to stop some of the pinging. You should also be able to run a
cooler plug and it should help.

If this is a new motor, was the lifter preload set when the heads were
installed. Hydraulics and Mechanicals both need to have the preload set.
If not you could bend a push rod and cause the lifter not to work properly.
There was an article on this on the FTE Tech article section on the website.

You might check the lifter for oiling, I assume you have a mechanical guage
and have good pressure at 55, but usually an FE is over oiled on the top
end. Basically if you're getting oil up there, you usually have enough.

I believe the rule of thumb for oil pressure is 10lbs of pressure for every
1000RPMs.

Sorry this has gotten to be so long, but I'm just racking my brain for
anything that might help.

Keep us posted on what you find!


- -Ted

>Ted, I appreciate the input. I know the timing is right on the mark,
>done by me and a retired FORD employee. Also, the engine pings after
>driving over 55 mph for a duration of time... say like 5 minutes. Then
>when I slow down or come to a stop it still pings for a short period
>then quiets down and disappears back to normal engine sound. I fear
>lack of good oil flow or perhaps there is heating and warping of lifters
>or rods. Could be that when I took off the heads to check out what type
>of FE it was I may not have put the new head gaskets on properly and
>thus causing an oil deficiency. I'm wondering if putting one of these
>products like duralube or Zmax etc may help.
>


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:58:13 -0500
From: "Robert Jones"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Radio and engine color

Thanks for the info on the radio presets. I live in SE Wisconsin and went
the the Iola meet two weeks ago. That's where I found my radio. I paid
$200 for it but it is in great condition. I bought it from a vender that
reconditions radios and I was able to hear it before I bought it. He had
'48 Mercury radios next to this one, he was asking $300.00 to $400.00 for
them, they looked the same except they had a chrome bezel and the side
brackets were different. They could be made to fit. He didn't know what my
radio was for, his catalogs didn't list the part number. He said he would
have charged more if he knew it was for a truck. There was another guy
down the rows who had another one but it wasn't as nice, it needed some
repair, he wanted $185.00 for it.

My '49 and four other parts trucks had red flat sixes in them. I used
Por-15 Buick red to paint mine and it wears like iron.

Bob Jones
'49 F-2

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:28:01 -0400
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph

Tulio wrote:
>
Also, the engine pings after
> driving over 55 mph for a duration of time... say like 5 minutes. Then
> when I slow down or come to a stop it still pings for a short period
> then quiets down and disappears back to normal engine sound. I fear
> lack of good oil flow or perhaps there is heating and warping of lifters
> or rods.


The most likely cause of this pinging has nothing to do with lifters
floating, poor oil or any such stuff. The most likely causes are the
unleaded fuel you're burning, a lean fuel mixture from a dirty
carburetor, or a hot spot from some deposit in the combustion
chamber(s). Poor engine cooling can also be a problem. As a rule, you
can't run the same advance on no-lead low octane fuel that the factory
did on leaded high octane. The engine heats up from the extended run,
and the fuel charge burns spontaneously, making the ping, in effect the
engine is trying to run backward. IN order: 1: burn the highest octane
pump gas you can by (93 octane?) set timing back (retarded) about 4
degrees, check the cooling system with a known accurate gauge to be sure
the engine isn't overheating, run some carburetor cleaner thru the
system with the premium gas, and last, pull the heads and clean it out.
Don't waste time and money pouring snake oil into the crank case. If
you to do something positive on the oil side, run Mobil 1 or a similar
full synthetic, and get some "water wetter" for the radiator.
Boy, do you got trouble if the thing is getting hot enought to warp
rods and lifters, get out of the cab and run before it burns to the
ground.

47Fred
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:37:27 PDT
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ford 390 Pinging past 55mph

When you check timing use an adjustable timing light (one that lets you dial
in the desired timing ) check to see that there is no more than 38 degrees
of mechanical advance when fully advanced (above 3500 RPM ). You could have
a bad distributor allowing too much total advance even though initial timing
is on the money. A more likely cause is too much combustion chamber temp
causing pre ignition ( heats up after being put under a load for several
minutes, then takes a few to cool back down ). Could be due to a restricted
exhaust, or improper cooling of heads, possibly a gasket not properly
installed or other restriction of water flow to heads. How does eng temp
look after this happens? This isn't always a good indicator because it won't
show you a dry/hot chamber, only an overall water temp. I don't think it's
an oil problem, that would show up as friction and mechanical wear which
won't go away when eng slows down.
Good luck.

John Harrison


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re:FORD 390 pinging past 55mph

Sounds like a lean mixture, perhaps there is a vacuum
leak. This could lead to more problems in the future,
so take care of it soon. Check your spark plugs for
color, they should be tan. A lean mixture will turn
them white.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - pinging 390 and don't use slick-50

of FE it was I may not have put the new head gaskets
on properly and
thus causing an oil deficiency. I'm wondering if
putting one of these
products like duralube or Zmax etc may help.


Well don't use Slick-50, take that crap and throw it
in the garbage! And I wouldn't use Duralube either,
they have a lawsuit against them pending. I used
Slick-50 in my Coro##a and it's fine but who knows
without an oil gauge. I used Slick-50 in my truck and
have nothing but bad things to say about it. It
reduced my oil pressure to near nothing unless I'm on
the freeway. Right after I put it in, the motor idled
better, ran smoother, everything was GREAT, until I
got on the freeway. I downshifted, tached it up,
shifted to third, ran it to about 85 then merged and
slowed down to listen to my lifters rattling. Shut
down the motor and pulled over. Pulled a valve cover
and had oil to the top end, started it up, had oil to
the top end but very little. Threw a new filter on
and topped off the oil and things were a *little*
better but never been the same.

Don't use anything but old fashioned crude every 3k...

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:17:28 -0700
From: Caroline Warnock
Subject: FTE Pre61 - COE

Does anyone have any info on building one of these Cab Over Engine
trucks?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:51:57 -0700
From: Kurt Stokke
Subject: FTE Pre61 - shaved door handle operation

John:

AutoLoc sells shaved door handle kits. (www.autoloc.com)
They are in Oregon. They have 12, 15, and 35 lbs. solenoids.

Kurt
'55 F100

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:14:53 -0700
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Interiors

Hi all,

Anybody out there ever install there own interior using the Rod doors kit?
I'm going to try it on my 55, but thought I would see if anyone has any
good/bad/or ugly experiences.

Thanks in advance.

Dennis
55F100
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:46:01 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - shaved door handles, etc

We have a 53 with shaved door handles and power windows. These were
already installed before we bought the truck.
They work fine year around, and the remote in this kit also would lower
the windows as well as pop the doors.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New Ford Superduty Trucks

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

Those of you who have been here a while know the drill. :-O

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
announcement for 2 days (this is day 1 of 2). This is our only
exception to commercial advertising on our mailing lists.
Please show your appreciation to them for helping to support the
web site and the lists by checking out their site. Here is the
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We would like to you to let then know you heard about them via
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Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

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