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pre61-list-digest Tuesday, July 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 205



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - re:272 heads vs 292 heads
RE: FTE Pre61 - chrome
FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels
FTE Pre61 - 59 f-250
FTE Pre61 - 351W C4 combo
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels
FTE Pre61 - engine "first-fire" dancing ritual
[none]
FTE Pre61 - Re:Kill Switch
FTE Pre61 - Re: Body swap
FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Fordomatic Part
FTE Pre61 - Rusty bolts
FTE Pre61 - Re: Luxembourg F 350
FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 06:47:15 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - re:272 heads vs 292 heads

Steve wrote: "I'm new to the list, and I was wondering if anyone knew
if the heads from a 272 Ford V-8 (from a 1956 truck) are interchangeable
with the heads from a 292 V-8 (from a 1956 passenger car). My 272 engine
block cracked (right after a thousand bucks' worth of oil seals,
bearings and cam plugs, not to mention a new clutch) and I am going to
drop a 292 into the truck this week to replace it. Would like to know if
most of the engine parts are interchangeable, since everything on the
272 was new. And the 292 I just bought is CRUSTY."

The heads should swap without any trouble, but there ARE some things to
watch for, those being intake port sizes, valve sizes and compression
chamber volume. MOST of the differences will be related to the
differences between truck and car engines, not the differences in
displacement. Check the numbers on the heads, which (Most of the time)
are covered by crud under the rocker shafts. The 272 was bored out to
make the 292, so there is very little difference there. You may find the
dipstick is located in a different place on the two engines, but I have
found on the 239 and 256 blocks I have that the other dipstick location
is blocked with a plug, so no big deal there, either.
Since I just did a rebuild in which I shamelessly scavenged good parts
from a bad 256 to help rebuild a pretty good 239, I can readily attest
to exchangeability. Despite the fact the valves were bigger on the 256
heads, I stayed with the 239 heads due to a vast difference in
combustion chamber volume, hence my earlier warning. If I remember
correctly, most Y-block heads used the volume/valve size combo of my 256
heads, so the chances are good that you won't have any trouble. I wish I
could tell you what the volumes are, but I have misplaced that info....

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:41:10 -0400
From: "Toomey, Mark"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - chrome

The strip is stainless...by the way, don't lose thelittle clips that cover
the seams where the three pieces are joined - replacements are very hard to
find! I'm sure you know, the presence of this trim means your truck is a
"deluxe" cab model, with upgraded trim in the inside as well!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: norm l lasnier [SMTP:nspk8046 juno.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 2:49 PM
> To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - chrome
>
> On the 53 f100, the strip that covers the gutter seam above the
> windshield, is that chrome or stainless???? There is some paint on mine
> and I hate to treat it like chrome if I can just take some 00 steel wool
> to clean it up..
> Thanks in advance
> Norm nspk8046 juno.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:04:41 -0500
From: "ebrowder"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels

Greetings,I need your help! I want to get started on my '52-F1. Does any
one knw where Patch panels for 52 fenders can be found? Seems to be a
lot for 53 and up....but a dirth for 48 -52. I want to do a stock
restoration and much prefer steel. If no patch panels then where is best
place for purchasing steel fenders? Or do I need to,as William
Shakespeare said..., "get thee to a junkyard" and look for fenders.
Thanks in advance for your help. Ed Browder

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:09:35 EDT
From: Albec99 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels

Try Sacramento Vintage page 352 has front fender repair sections nothing for
the rear
Al
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:25:00 EDT
From: Fyrftrmike aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 59 f-250

steve congrads on the new truck they are great trucks a little harder
somtimes to find parts. but the best place to find leaf springs is posies
hope i spelled it right there 400 for front 300 for rear i'am curently
saveing up for them

mike
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 351W C4 combo

performance mods such as a big cam and at least 1 4bbl
carb. I have aC-4
tranny. Would this one be strong enough to rebuild or
should I try tofind a
C-6?


The C4 is plenty strong enough. What kind of vehicle
is it going in? While the C6 is probably stronger, it
takes more power to turn the assembly. I see many
many many C4 equipped vehicles that carry the front
wheels for 60' and run 10 second quarter miles pass
after pass. My opinion is that the C4 is probably the
best 3 spd auto made. I have seen magazines that say
it is the Lightest 3 spd auto made. If you're
considering a rebuild for the C4, don't go to one of
those cheapy rebuild places. I have had 3 short lived
rebuilds from some of those places. I finally spent
about $500 on a Durabuilt rebuild and have not had a
complaint in 3 years of dragstrip passes. What I
would like to do when the next rebuild is due is spend
another $300 on a complete B&M built C4. I think
they're about $680.00 from PAW and though I don't know
what power level they're rated to, I would guess it's
higher than 350hp...

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:24 -0400
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre61-Fenders/Patch Panels

Try Mac Antique Auto parts out of Rochester NY. They have a ton of parts
and panels for year you mentioned.

Jason Piccola
55' Ford.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - engine "first-fire" dancing ritual

The megalopolis of Noth Middletown was treated to the
sight of me
dancing around my truck tonight! They'll think it's
some weird Ford
Truck Enthusiasts rite or something..... :-)- -- Don
Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover


It's not? You mean I've been doing it all this time
for nothing???

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:52:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: shane san miguel
Subject: [none]

REMOVED,OR ARE THEY DESIREABLE ?I LOVE THIS TRUCK,BUT
REALISTICALLY,-ISTHIS
A GOOD TRUCK,OR A LEMON?IT'S MY DRIVER,NOT A SHOW
VEHICLE,SOCOLLECTIBILITY
IS UNIMPORTANT.IJUST WANT TO KNOW IS IT A GOOD
TRUCK?STEVE.

Steve,
Your truck is a good truck if you like it, not if
everybody else thinks so. You can get all the
upgrades you were asking about, as well as lots more,
for your truck. Go get a Classic Trucks magazine and
check out all the neat stuff that is out there. My
truck handles a 65 mile daily commute at 3,500 to
4,000 rpms, gets 16mpg, runs a tick quicker in the 1/4
mile than a brand new F150 4.6L, and can yank a tree
off my house and haul it to the dump when I need to.
Oh, and I forgot, it looks like a piece of crap but oh
well, that part comes next and that's why I love it.
As long as you remember these trucks are 40+ years old
and require regular maintenance they are rock solid
dependable if you set it up right in the first place.
READ THIS TWICE: IF YOU SLACK ON REGULAR MAINTENANCE
YOUR TRUCK WILL LEAVE YOU STRANDED SOMEWHERE.
Congrats on your purchase and hope you enjoy.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.51 87



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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:52:03 EDT
From: STUDJAMES aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re:Kill Switch

Ray,
I am looking at installing a Kill Switch, but rather fuzzy about its
connection. Can you give me a quick idea as to how to install??
Thanks for any help.
Jim 54-F100


Another Note on safety. I have been installing a kill switch direct from the
battery. Probably the best insurance you can get. 2 of my trucks already have
them. I'd hate to find my old truck (and maybe the building it's near) burnt
up to a crisp because of bad insulation or a very bad mouse. Eeek!
>>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:01:07 -0500
From: "Robert Jones"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Body swap

I know a guy who put a '48-50 3/4 ton on a '76 3/4 4X4. He had to use F-7
fenders and rework the wheel wells because the width of the '76 is wider
than the '48-50. Just my two cents worth.

Bob Jones
'49 F-2

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:26:03 -0500
From: "Byron Rosbrugh"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1956 F100 Fordomatic Part

Just wondering if anyone knows where to get a rubber dust boot for the Drive
shaft end of my Fordomatic Transmission. It attaches around the rear oil
seal, and allows the short drive shaft in front of the universal joint to
turn inside. Any sources???

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:15:29 -0700
From: "Roy Maul"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rusty bolts

Last week there was some mention of a couple of penetrating oils that I am
not familiar with. They were PB Blaster and mouse oil. I have managed to
get the front clip off my '50 F2 but I am having a terrible getting it
apart. One or two bolts came apart the normal way, a couple gave way to the
nut buster, and some more succumbed to the die grinder, but there a a few
more that I can't get the nut buster or die grinder into and they aren't
about to give in the normal way. Where can I get some of that PB Blaster or
mouse oil?

Roy
1950 F-2

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:43:22 EDT
From: Ennui880 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Luxembourg F 350

About the F350 in Luxembourg, I am told that my F250 body is not
interchangeable
with the more common F-100. The front grille is just an inch or two wider, the
cab a little bigger, etc. so you may not want to go purchasing F-100 parts
for your truck until you're sure. I did stick rear fenders from an F-100
on my truck, and they fit fine except that they are an inch shorter
in height (the bolt holes line up, but the bottoms end short of the running
boards) but that's good enough for me. And if you don't mind fiberglas,
the fenders can be ordered from a parts house. Metal ones are harder to
find. But if you find one, use it. The difference in fit is harbly noticeable.

Steve
Los Angeles
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:14:33 -0700
From: Tulio
Subject: FTE Pre61 - FORD 390 pinging past 55mph

This is humiliating but....

I have a 4 Bbl 390 cu.in. engine, C6 tranny with a 9 in. rear end that I
cannot drive on the freeway over 55mph for over a few miles without it
pinging loudly. It takes a minute or so after slowing down past 50 mph
until it seems to 'recuperate' and is quiet again. Any inputs on this
problem? Where should I reasonably start to resolve this overpowered....


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