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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Toyota Steering Parts
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Toyota Steering Parts
FTE Pre61 - dash bezel order
FTE Pre61 - projects
FTE Pre61 - projects (sorry)
FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread
FTE Pre61 - Poower Steering
Re: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread
Re: FTE Pre61 - compression ratios
Re: FTE Pre61 - dash bezel order
Re: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread
Re: FTE Pre61 - Locking brake

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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 05:08:21 -0500
From: "Mangor Krogstad"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Toyota Steering Parts

Jim, did you buy the mounting brackets or make it up yourself. I'm thinking
of making my own
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Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Toyota Steering Parts


> Fred,
> I picked up my toyota box in Denver, Colorado last March while on
vacation
> at local Toyota salvage yard. (there were 2 listed in phone book) I also
> took the nut, press. hose and fittings you mentioned. I had to change out
> the return line fitting for a different one since it was too close to
> exhaust, but works fine. I inquired locally (Austin)about press. hose and
> was told to have one built was only around $100. Check with local company
> doing hoses for tractors, big rigs, or heavy machinary equip. They were
able
> to make just about anything I needed. I live in Texas, and couldnt find
toy
> box in this area either.
>
> Good luck Jim
>
> I need the pressure line, the fitting for the return
> line and the nut for the pitman arm. I got the kit
> from mid-fifties. I bought the adapter, box, pitman
> arm, and a borgman joint from them at great expense.
> I'm going to call them but was hoping one of you
> guys would know a yard that I could order the parts
> from. I'm in Michigan and I've checked all the yards
> around me. Even had the Toyota dealer look, with no
> success.
>
> A new hose sells for $295. Not a typo. The Toyota
> dealer says there is no reason other than brain
> damage on Toyotas part.
> >>
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 09:42:07 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Toyota Steering Parts

Thanks guys for the replies,
I did check the shops, yards, and lastly the dealerships. I called Mid-Fifties
to ask them to help, and they have had so many like myself that they had some
made up. They have added the hoses to their offering. Both lines, and fittings
for the popular swaps for $100. Still seems steep to me but at this point it
it's about my only choice.
Thanks again
Fred


STUDJAMES aol.com wrote:

> Fred,
> I picked up my toyota box in Denver, Colorado last March while on vacation
> at local Toyota salvage yard. (there were 2 listed in phone book) I also
> took the nut, press. hose and fittings you mentioned. I had to change out
> the return line fitting for a different one since it was too close to
> exhaust, but works fine. I inquired locally (Austin)about press. hose and
> was told to have one built was only around $100. Check with local company
> doing hoses for tractors, big rigs, or heavy machinary equip. They were able
> to make just about anything I needed. I live in Texas, and couldnt find toy
> box in this area either.
>
> Good luck Jim
>
> I need the pressure line, the fitting for the return
> line and the nut for the pitman arm. I got the kit
> from mid-fifties. I bought the adapter, box, pitman
> arm, and a borgman joint from them at great expense.
> I'm going to call them but was hoping one of you
> guys would know a yard that I could order the parts
> from. I'm in Michigan and I've checked all the yards
> around me. Even had the Toyota dealer look, with no
> success.

Fred

>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:29:42 EDT
From: CMou139175 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - dash bezel order

does anyone know the bezel order for dash instruments from left to right on a
'58 custom cab. I'm missing the first two on the left, what are these???
Also, what exactly makes a custom cab "custom"??? Thanks, C.M.
'58 custom cab (new addition)
65 galaxie
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: barry mitchell
Subject: FTE Pre61 - projects

I postedsometime back on a 64 swap. I now have a second project in the
works. To try on the 64 again my son needs to know if the 352 or 390
was available in the 64 f100 and if not who makes the swap parts, the
truck has a shot 6cyl. 3 spd. and he has a good 390. Now the second
project is a 63 unibody or unitbody which ever is the correct term that
has been converted to 4x4 it already has a 351W and 4spd it is in bad
need of body
panels and headers. This truck belongs to my stepson. As I said in my
original post I'm not to knowledgeable
of the 57 to 67 ford trucks some I'min need of all the suggestions and
tips I can get(please).

Thanks in advance
Barry Mitchell
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: barry mitchell
Subject: FTE Pre61 - projects (sorry)

Sorry guys
Ijust realized I posted this to the wrong list. But if anyone has any
suggetions I could use the help.
Barry
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:28:48 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread

Truckers,

Happy 4th weekend!!!

I also echo the sentiment about the 57 - 60 F-100's. They have a very unique
look in the world of classic trucks. Being the first with steel styleside
bodies, they also changed the world of hauling. You had room for the lumber
and supplies! IF you think about it, ch*by took another 11 years (67 - 72)
before they had a truck to look similar.

There were only a handful at Pigeon Forge this year. We stand on the
threshold of the next icon of classic trucks (or I hope so -- resale you
know)!

What do you think guys? Am I too off base? Even you pre 57 guys who have
F-250 of bigger knows how it seems the whole classic movement is not giving
us a 2nd glance.

Glenn in TN
Soapy the 57 F-100

Ps. Boy its hot in Memphis -- I'm about to finish welding the front cap mount
on my truck (read: SWEAT!)
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 16:44:11 PDT
From: John Harrison
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Poower Steering

Fred, Have you thought about using Aeroquip or Russel braided stainless
hose. All sorts of fittings are available in metric and SAE so you could use
any p/s pump you want & not have to worry about adapting a Toyo pump. This
way you can fab your own hose that will be a perfact fit instead of making
do with a part not designed for your truck. Most good speed shops carry this
as well as aircraft supply houses. I believe Summit also carrys some
although I don't how extensive their inventory is. I went this route on my
60 panel which has a brand X steering box, and it has worked perfect for
over 5 years. Good luck.

John Harrison


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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:44:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread

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>
>There were only a handful at Pigeon Forge this year. We stand on the
>threshold of the next icon of classic trucks (or I hope so -- resale you
>know)!
>
>What do you think guys? Am I too off base? Even you pre 57 guys who have
>F-250 of bigger knows how it seems the whole classic movement is not giving
>us a 2nd glance.
>

Based, on numbers, I think the 64-66 and 67-72 are the next
hot numbers.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:56:19 -0400
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - compression ratios

I would be interested in the comp. ratio formula & the " fill in the blanks
" form.
If you don't want to post it on the web, then could you e-mail me a copy?
Thanks,
Bill Robinson
billyrob digitalexp.com
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From: jniolon uss.com
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Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 3:26 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - compression ratios


>
>
>I've received a lesson this week in calculating compression ratios and
>clearance volumes
>and since I have the memory of a sieve, I've worked up a calculation sheet
>that is 'fill in the blank'.
>
>I'm sure the experienced ones won't need it, but I'm sure there are some
>other that are formula-icly challenged like me
>that could benefit from my lesson as much as I did. Ive forwarded a copy
>to Ken to put on the web page if there is room
>available and he thinks it's worthy
>
>john
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:58:40 -0500
From: "Terry Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - dash bezel order

A custom cab is custom because it has chrome on the grill and around the
front and back windows.
I'm not sure about the '58 but the '59 and '60 have the big window in
the back.
I will look at my '60 tomorrow and see what the dash looks like, it
should be the same as the '58.
Hope this helps,

Terry Jones
'60 F-100, 460, IFS
'59 custom cab (slightly bent)


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Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 11:29 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - dash bezel order


> does anyone know the bezel order for dash instruments from left to right
on a
> '58 custom cab. I'm missing the first two on the left, what are these???
> Also, what exactly makes a custom cab "custom"??? Thanks, C.M.
> '58 custom cab (new addition)
> 65 galaxie
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:08:30 -0500
From: "Terry Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread

I am in agreement. It would be nice for these trucks to become more popular,
from the parts standpoint. I get so tired of ordering parts only to find
that they are for a '56, and then having to modify them to fit.
I was in PF 5 years ago and there was only 2, then when I went last year
there was 8. I was hoping that this would increase but you guys say it has
not, this is a shame.
Happy trails, Terry
'60 F-100 460 IFS
'59 custom cab (slightly bent)



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Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 3:28 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Shoebox Thread


> Truckers,
>
> Happy 4th weekend!!!
>
> I also echo the sentiment about the 57 - 60 F-100's. They have a very
unique
> look in the world of classic trucks. Being the first with steel styleside
> bodies, they also changed the world of hauling. You had room for the
lumber
> and supplies! IF you think about it, ch*by took another 11 years (67 - 72)
> before they had a truck to look similar.
>
> There were only a handful at Pigeon Forge this year. We stand on the
> threshold of the next icon of classic trucks (or I hope so -- resale you
> know)!
>
> What do you think guys? Am I too off base? Even you pre 57 guys who have
> F-250 of bigger knows how it seems the whole classic movement is not
giving
> us a 2nd glance.
>
> Glenn in TN
> Soapy the 57 F-100
>
> Ps. Boy its hot in Memphis -- I'm about to finish welding the front cap
mount
> on my truck (read: SWEAT!)
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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:30:15 -0700
From: "Stephen R Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Locking brake

Ken Toop wrote:

"Here's the stumper for today: I installed a new master cylinder and new
wheel cylinders all around on the stock brake system of my '57 F-100. Now
the right front wheel locks up when I apply the brakes..."

Ken,

I also am currently suffering the same problem on my '49 F1 -- only on the
left side. I'm guessing that you possibly are having problems on the left
side such that with all things being equal in the world of hydraulic
pressure, your right front brake engages first. I've also replaced the
wheel cylinders and the master cylinder. (Ford didn't change their brake
systems much from the late 40's thru the mid 60's.) The next things to
check are the flex hoses (as Ray C. indicated) and to inspect the steel
lines for kinks. Are you sure that the shoes aren't glazed? Also, make
sure that the shoes pivot freely about the upper post when fully assembled
to the backing plate -- any factory or aftermarket manual covering this
timeframe will have a decent picture of how the springs all go together. Am
I correct in believing that there is no proportioning valve on these vintage
systems? If it has one, perhaps it's plumbed backwards. Also, check any
connector blocks (manifolds) for the steel lines to ensure that there isn't
a buildup of crud. These blocks typically have smaller passages than do the....


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