pre61-list-digest Friday, March 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 088



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Power windows
FTE Pre61 - Rear end with Disc's
FTE Pre61 - master cylinder
FTE Pre61 - Chevy/Ford? 2 comments
RE: FTE Pre61 - Rear end with Disc's
Re: FTE Pre61 - master cylinder
Re: FTE Pre61 - Power windows
FTE Pre61 - Fords and Chevys
FTE Pre61 - Power windows
FTE Pre61 - Fwd:
FTE Pre61 - Fwd:
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:
FTE Pre61 - Thanx

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:28:55 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Power windows

GILASAILR aol.com wrote:
>
> Fred, Please allow me to intrduce myself,....I am man with a 47 panel......I
> just couldnt resist the line! Really I have a 47 panel and am most interested
> in your windsheild wiper adaption. If you might help I'd be most appreciative.
> Gary Oberbeck
> 47 1/2 ton panel 4.9L Ford, C6, Currie 9", BUT midsize GM calipers on a stock
> front axle.

In the area behind and left of the instrument cluster, there is a a
space just large enough to mount a Ranger/Bronco type wiper motor using
some custom brackets (two pieces of 1 X 1/8 flat stock). These vehicles
use a intermittent motor with a separate timing relay setup which plugs
into the wiring system in the stock truck. It is physically located in
the Ranger just to the right of the steering column and look like a 2"
square plastic box., and pullout with two plugs and the relay attached.
You also need the wiper switch, and the motor. I got two wiper shafts
out of a mid 70's Bronco. These are larger on the shaft size (5/8") than
the '46-47 wipers, so I enlarged the mounting hole to suit. The '70
Bronco accepts the stock '46 wiper arm. I used a section of 3/4" pipe to
space the shaft down enough to look stock. Under the dash, with the
Ranger motor mounted shaft up, I used a 5/16 rod end on the motor and 3,
1/4" rod ends on the shafts, with 1/4-28 threaded rod to connect them. A
5/16-24 bolt with locktite was screwed into the 5/16 rod end, cut off
and tapped for 1/4-28 allowing all the drive rods to work. There is some
hammer work, drilling and welding required to get the shaft drivers into
the appropriate shape to be driven by rod ends. I also threaded the
shaft drivers to allow a bolt to pass thru the rod end, screw into the
the driver, then be nutted from below to lock it into place. The right,
passenger, shaft is driven from the left shaft, and that shaft is driven
by the motor. The right shaft is also driven "upside down" to get the
correct action, which is that the two wipers move toward and away from
each other rather than in tandem, like modern cars. I'm using a '82
Mercury Capri tilt wheel steering column, and the Ranger switch replaced
the stock one exactly.
I had some problems adjusting the driving rods and clearing vents and
such, I solved that by using some old brake line tube held with short
studs in the rod ends and sections of rubber hose as a coupling, to make
pattern, then bent the treaded rods. There was also a hellish vibration
from the motor which I cured by using the factory rubber mounts rather
than steel bolts as in trial 1.
This is about as long as a post probably ought to get, so if you want
more info. on this, write direct, I could probably run on all day
otherwise.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:01:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Houskeeper
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear end with Disc's

Has any one installed a 79? Lincoln Versailles rear end with rear disc
brakes in their 53-56 f100?

If so, are they hard to find? Are they 9"?
Is it something worth doing?

Any input is would be beneficial.


_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:53:48 EST
From: SJablecki aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - master cylinder

I am finally up to the brakes on my F 1 1951. Do I have to replace the master
cylinder, and wheel cylinders or just rebuild them? I think it has been about
5 years since the truck has been running. Cooling, fuel, and wiring are done.
It is now time to attack the brakes and exhaust system. Thanks in advance for
any advise. Stan
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:06:04 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Chevy/Ford? 2 comments

Last Fall I purchased a 54 pickup with a Chevy engine. I wanted the
"rolling chassis" part of this truck because it had a Volare IFS already
installed. I am now 2/3 done switching this rolling chassis into my
panel which had stock but upgraded suspension, but the drive to PF
convinced me, reluctantly, that even an upgraded stock front end, sway
bar, discs, etc. is no match for IFS.

The problem is that it has that Chevy engine in it. My solution is
going to be to paint it Ford blue, mount a fake distributor on the
front, add a Ford Motorsports air cleaner and do the solenoid on the
fender. So far, the solenoid is the only thing done. Any other
suggestions?

I figure if I call it an early Mickey Thompson GT 40 prototype engine
(rejected), it'll fool most people. I just won't open the hood if it's
running in time for PF 99. And, no one can check with Mickey.

Comment #2: Am I the only guy who is ticked off that the truck of the
year at last years PF had a Chevy engine? What are they drinking? Oh
well, if they voted Clinton in anything is possible any more. They
should have an "observer" class for trucks like that. Sure was nice
though.

Paul G.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:05:11 -0500
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Rear end with Disc's

HI, Not exactly. My 56 has a lincoln MK5 disc set up on it. I used a 72
truck rear housing and transfered the brackets to the housing. It is mostly
a bolt on but some machine work was needed to put the rotors on the truck
axles and keep the stock truck bolt pattern. The Versailles rear is a 9" and
maybe somewhat hard to find. I presently have one and am putting it under a
53 Ford Vicky. One thing I am finding out is that the rotors are expensive
and have to be special ordered. There are other ways to put discs on a 9"
and may or may not be cheaper. SVO offers a complete package and it can be
bought thru Strange Engineering for less than some Ford dealers can. A
friend of mine bought one and put it on his street rod and loves it. Hope
this helps, Garry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary Houskeeper
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:02 AM
> To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear end with Disc's
>
>
> Has any one installed a 79? Lincoln Versailles rear end with rear disc
> brakes in their 53-56 f100?
>
> If so, are they hard to find? Are they 9"?
> Is it something worth doing?
>
> Any input is would be beneficial.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> >
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:09:50 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - master cylinder

In a message dated 3/25/1999 2:07:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SJablecki aol.com writes:

> I am finally up to the brakes on my F 1 1951. Do I have to replace the
> master
> cylinder, and wheel cylinders or just rebuild them?
Stan - what's wrong with the brakes? Do the cylinders leak? If not, flush
the system, refill and off you go. If they're leaking and original, they're
very likely pitted. You can rebuild them if they're not, kinda depends on the
money/time situation. Bolting on new ones is the easiest, except I'm not sure
you'll find a master cylinder. Dan's page
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~dwentz/sale.html) has a rebuildable used one - do
I remember its free? I put four new wheel cylinders on my '51 last year. all
available at my nearest real parts store. Found a restrictive flex hose to
the front left. I have a new hose, but I'm hesitant to try to take apart the
connection where the rubber meets the steel tubing. If you're doing it just
to make sure everything's up to snuff, you might consider replacing the steel
tubing, too. Not a fun job. Or power brakes under the floor?
Good luck,
Jonas, '51 F1R1
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:11:41 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Power windows

In a message dated 3/25/1999 9:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
zelda_1 prodigy.net writes:

> In the area behind and left of the instrument cluster, there is a a
> space just large enough to mount a Ranger/Bronco type wiper motor using
> some custom brackets (two pieces of 1 X 1/8 flat stock). These vehicles
> use a intermittent motor with a separate timing relay setup which plugs
> i ....
Man, this probably belongs in the web page tech articles section!!
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:32:36 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fords and Chevys

Andy, After reading your latest post describing your engine, do yourself
a favor and use a 9" Ford rear end. The amount of torque that 383 will
make will destroy that little 10 bolt rear. Find someone with a little
V-6 grocery getter that needs a rear and sell it to him, that's where it
belongs, or put in a Ford engine. Most of them don't make enough
horsepower to hurt it. (Watch the fur fly now!!!)


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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:18:42 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Power windows

Another economical solution for power windows is to use Mazda 929 window
regulators ( 626 mazda regs are too short unless you've chopped the
top). The only modification you need to make is to lay them flat on the
floor & step on them. (They're curved to follow contour of the glass &
you need them straight). After that just fab some brackets to attach
regs to & weld them in place after lining up reg with window, being sure
reg is parallel to division bar so it won't bind. You can get them in
most wrecking yards for $50 or less and if you ever need parts they're
available (unlike most aftermarket stuff), and there's a corporate
connection between Ford & Mazda, so you won't get banned from the list!
I've done this for several customers & not one complaint.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:22:16 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:

Forwarded for: Tulio

MY Hat off to you Ken.... this is a good show of class and deplomacy. I
have been a subscriber to this list now for over a year now and have my
'60 F100 posted on this site. I religiously read my morning emails and
always read every post on the list each day. I have rec'd great tips
and even great support from many of the members here when I was building
my truck. I am always intrigued by the variety and tricks some of the
old seasoned veterens of the art of tricking out trucks have come up
with. I am a purist at heart I presume and as such I built my truck all
Ford except for the B&M shifter and Custom Classic Steering wheel..
heh.. I suppose we all have one or two exceptions to our
projects....but, overall it is all Ford. I feel though there should be a
medium for those who do have 'other' more major differences in their
enthusiam to own a Ford Truck even if it means it is a charicature of a
Ford truck... it is the visionaries that keep it interesting and make
the journey of building old metal into something beautiful worth
venturing. I salute you in being democratic in offering a position to
those who may feel very strongly about their perspective or perhaps as
the point has been brought up.. is what they could afford... I've
contemplated the desire to have a 429, Shelby or other high performance
engine... but... heh... IF I could afford one... could I find one? I
can see how putting an easy to find Chevy performance engine would be an
answer to many Ford 'style' enthusiasts and would be hard to pass up if
they knew how to adapt powerplants. It's not for everyone, but.....
ok,.. they prefer Ford styling..... with 'out-of-site' cheap
performance power plants ---- otherwise uaffordable in Ford powerplants
or unattainable. Your decision is truly democratic. If the demand is
real then those who desire such a list can build and maintain it as it's
done in any real democracy. I would probably subscribe to it... heh..
just to keep my eye on good ideas!
>>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:23:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:

Forwarded for: ["Michael Ray Jones" ]

Mitch:

If the guy went to all that trouble to find you, he must want your truck
real bad! I've got a 46 also, but it's not for sale. However, I did see
one for sale in our local Peddler ( like a thrifty nickel or greensheet). I
believe the asking price was about $4000. I've only seen 2 other 46's on
the road around here. One wouldn't be anywhere near that price. The other
is a very nice daily driver. I don't know the specifics on the mechanicals,
but the body is very nice and has a red paint job with flames! If you'd
like more info on it, I'll be glad to check out for you or get you the
number, etc. on the truck. I'm in Lufkin, TX, about 2 hours north of
Houston.

Let me know.


>Does anyone know where there is another truck like this
>(original) but in better condition and for sale?
>
>And does anyone know how to ship a vehicle half-way around the
>world?
>
>Mitch Miller
>mmiller dryden.net



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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:47:56 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:

In a message dated 3/25/1999 8:27:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpayne ford-
trucks.com writes:

> MY Hat off to you Ken.... this is a good show of class and deplomacy. I
>
I thought you stopped beating this dead horse, Ken. Democratic, bull.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:05:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd:

At 08:47 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/25/1999 8:27:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpayne ford-
>trucks.com writes:
>
>> MY Hat off to you Ken.... this is a good show of class and deplomacy. I
>>
>I thought you stopped beating this dead horse, Ken. Democratic, bull.

Three strikes. You're out.


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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:45:30 -0600
From: Mike Garoppo
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Thanx

Thanx for the compliment Stephen W. Hansen. Ken keep up the good work. If
everyone had it the way they wanted it would not be well organized. I will see....

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