pre61-list-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 086



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Valve lifter problem
FTE Pre61 - Old Timer
FTE Pre61 - Re: sagging door handles
FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's
RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's
FTE Pre61 - Re: Fords and Chevy's
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: sagging door handles
FTE Pre61 - Power windows
FTE Pre61 - T-Bird Terry's address
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's
Re: FTE Pre61 - 56 header info
FTE Pre61 - F-3 rear end swap
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's
FTE Pre61 - Flames
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rules
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rules
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Dead horse

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:21:03 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Valve lifter problem

John Harrison wrote:
>
> Ken, Sounds like your old lifter is worn out. As oil gets warmer &
> thinner lifter is bleeding down. You'll probably have to go with a new
> one.
>
Let me throw in a thought here, the way cams and lifters are made is
that the face of the cam is slightly crowned, and a so is the lifter.
The result is that as the cam rotates, a off-center force is generated
on the lifter causing it to rotate, as it wears, the face of the cam
slowly becomes flat, and the lifter becomes convex, or curved upward
toward the center. This causes the rotation to stop at come point and
the lobe to fail. Mixing used lifters to a used lobe, causes excessive
wear because the angles of the wear pattern are so different. Putting a
single, or set, of new lifters on a worn cam will not result in
immediate destruction of the cam, and in fact will last as well as
anything else mechanical. The reason is that the new lifter has a good
crown and will rotate and not gouge the cam face. If the old lifter has
caused the lobe to pit or to become completely flat, which can be seen,
by inspection of cam's nose, the cam is shot anyway and should be
replaced.
This is to say, if you have a bad lifter, the state of the cam face is
more important than the state of the lifter, and replacement can be made
with some precautionary inspection. Be sure to use a good moly cam lube,
and prefill a hydraulic lifter with oil.

47Fred
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:23:57 -0700
From: Mel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Old Timer

Have to jump in here!!! My first car was a 1940 Ford Deluxe Business
Coupe. I bought it in 1956. I was 13 years old. Fords were the coolest
looking "Hot Rods" on earth. Chevy's were cool but only the rich could
afford them and they weren't "Hot Rods" yet. They were customs. Hot
Rod meant "FAST" That meant we needed to put some horsepower under the
hood. My first thing I did was remove the 59AB flathead and rebuilt a
53 Olds engine and dropped it in (CHEAP and powerful) I STILL had a
FORD!!!!! Noone said, "Hey, there goes a Foldsmobile." I later dropped
a Hemi with Hilborn Fuel injection. I was still known for having the
fastest "Ford" in town. The great looks of the Fords is why we own them
and the availability of high horsepower engines in the 50's (Cad, Olds,
Chrysler, Chevy) is why we swapped engines.
Mel
53 f100/351c
34 Ford 5w/350 Chev (owned since 1966 restored 4 times)
34 Ford Roadster/289 Cobra
70 El Camino/350 Chev (Never will see a Ford under the hood)
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:40:41 -0500
From: hwillms ca.ibm.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: sagging door handles

Usually the square shaft from the outside door handle is worn where it goes
into the latch mechanism, and whose square hole is also worn.

A quick fix is to heat up the shaft and twist/rotate it back a few degrees
so the outside handle is level. Sort of like a wrought iron balister on a
railing.

It will still be sloppy and rattle but at least it looks better.

Henry Willms



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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:46:51 -0500
From: "Proctor"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's

OK..Gang;

I have been a member of this list for likely a year or so. And for the most
part have enjoyed the friendships and advice that has been given me.
But this latest round of "playground squabbling" is a bit rediculous.
How far can this possibly be carrried and have any good come from it?
This is a "Ford Group Forum", its not a Pebble Beach Concour. What ever is
in your FORD truck is your own preference..I may not like it, but didn't
build it either.
I certainly am not in favour of seperating this FTE into ..non -Ford and
strickly Ford type forum.I believe we learn from each other. We need ALL
stick together.
As I watch the video's from Pigeon Forge, I can't tell what is under the
hood as they fly by........but I can tell you...they all look like there
having a good time.
So, Ken , reconsider your position on this "Purist" attitude ..We have a
real good group here that covers ALL types of Ford built TRUCKS.
Alot of these guys ,I have never met, but do consider them my friends and we
have all tried to help each other.
Banning member's from this forum is not the answer, working thru it is more
democratic...
BTW, if your looking for more CORE input, drop me a line.


>Thank you;

Rick Proctor............aka "charger"

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:47:34 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's

Hey,

I go away for four days and all heck breaks loose. Let's calm down and get
back to our trucks.

I'm a Ford guy, and as such I like Fords in Fords. To make it even more
difficult I have a 429. They cost more, the parts are hard to find, and
finding people with knowledge about the engines is even harder.

That's why I like the Ford lists. No problem with the Chevy's other than
the fun kidding and harassing that goes on, but this is an important source
for Ford info. One of the very few, if not the only one. This site has
been very informative and helpful, please let's not screw it up. Ken is
doing one heck of a job with the administration. I'm in the computer biz
and I know what kind of work is involved. Let's support him and this site.
If it go's away we all will be left without a major source of fun,
communication, and insight.

If a guy wants to put a Chevy or even a Yugo in his truck fine, but if he
wants Chevy answers please use one of the hundreds of Chevy sites that are
around. I personally don't want this site to get wrapped up in Chevy
talk, that, like their parts is easy to find.

Enough said, so has anyone put power windows in their slant cab f100. Any
tips or tricks?

This is a great site, lets enjoy it.
Thanks

DMO 55 Ford
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> Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 7:46 AM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's
>
> OK..Gang;
>
> I have been a member of this list for likely a year or so. And for the
> most
> part have enjoyed the friendships and advice that has been given me.
> But this latest round of "playground squabbling" is a bit rediculous.
> How far can this possibly be carrried and have any good come from it?
> This is a "Ford Group Forum", its not a Pebble Beach Concour. What ever is
> in your FORD truck is your own preference..I may not like it, but didn't
> build it either.
> I certainly am not in favour of seperating this FTE into ..non -Ford and
> strickly Ford type forum.I believe we learn from each other. We need ALL
> stick together.
> As I watch the video's from Pigeon Forge, I can't tell what is under the
> hood as they fly by........but I can tell you...they all look like there
> having a good time.
> So, Ken , reconsider your position on this "Purist" attitude ..We have a
> real good group here that covers ALL types of Ford built TRUCKS.
> Alot of these guys ,I have never met, but do consider them my friends and
> we
> have all tried to help each other.
> Banning member's from this forum is not the answer, working thru it is
> more
> democratic...
> BTW, if your looking for more CORE input, drop me a line.
>
>
> >Thank you;
>
> Rick Proctor............aka "charger"
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:36:58 PST
From: "Andy Vandergrift"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Fords and Chevy's

Please forgive me if I offend anyone here. I am a purest at heart, but
a pragmaticist at pocketbook. I would LOVE to put a 351 in my Ford
(There is nothing in there yet - but I have a 383 in my garage).
But....I work at a church - & this profession is known for many things,
one of which is NOT high monetary compensation (the pay is great - if
you get what I mean).

So long story made short - I was given ($500 bucks) a 383 with alumin.
heads (ported and polished), Lunati Crank, the nice roller-rocker arms,
hot cam, Edelbrock intake and 750 cfm carb, thicker connecting rods to
run N2 if I want, a brand new 350 turbo automatic and a 10 bolt rear
end...for $500.00. (Navy guy got shipped out fast)

Now I have specifically NOT asked for help on this engine becuase this
digest is a Ford digest. But maybe there are a few who remember the
spirit of Hot rodding, GO FAST.....Cheaply!!! If YOU want my truck pure
Ford - then give me what I got for $500.00.........I'm still waiting.

Let's all get off our horses and forgive those who have become heritics
- - or start a digest for those who have real questions about non Ford
powerplants.

But I will not ask questions about this powerplant, I will at least
respect the idea of a FTE digest.

A Heritic in SO Cal

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:45:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: sagging door handles

You can also re bend the spring that holds the handle up. We did this
and made new springs with wire from a "snake"/"fish" it's the coil of
wire that you use to pull wires or cable with.
Scott

- --- hwillms ca.ibm.com wrote:
>
>
> Usually the square shaft from the outside door handle is worn where
it
> goes
> into the latch mechanism, and whose square hole is also worn.
>
> A quick fix is to heat up the shaft and twist/rotate it back a few
> degrees
> so the outside handle is level. Sort of like a wrought iron balister
> on a
> railing.
>
> It will still be sloppy and rattle but at least it looks better.
>
> Henry Willms
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:54:57 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Power windows

In response to Dennis M's query about power windows, I wanted a pair
for my '47,
but in looking over the market, all I saw was $$$$$$, and you know, I
hate spending money for nothing.

My solution was to get a couple of spare window operators from some
junk doors, and using the motors from the rear doors of a LTD, I made my
own operator. The LTD drive gear meshed fine with the stock operator,
and only required the removal of the handle drive adapter, and to add a
small metal section to the overall length of the operator to install the
3rd motor mounting screw. The success of this type of project is
determined by how handy you are, how much free time you have and the
avaibility of proper motors at little or no cost.
Along this same line, I also managed to install intermittent electric
wipers from a '88 Ranger at almost no cost except for a couple of 1/4"
rod ends and some threaded rod.

47 Fred
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:32:18 -0600
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - T-Bird Terry's address

Terry if you're listening, please forward your email address to me...would
like to discuss some things off line

thanks

john
jniolon uss.com


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:30:45 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's

- -SNIP-

> I certainly am not in favour of seperating this FTE into ..non -Ford and
> strickly Ford type forum.I believe we learn from each other. We need ALL
> stick together.
> As I watch the video's from Pigeon Forge, I can't tell what is under the
> hood as they fly by........but I can tell you...they all look like there
> having a good time.
> So, Ken , reconsider your position on this "Purist" attitude ..We have a
> real good group here that covers ALL types of Ford built TRUCKS.
> Alot of these guys ,I have never met, but do consider them my friends and we
> have all tried to help each other.

Where do we draw the line? Show we allow Ford Falcons? Afterall,
the Ranchero was a Falcon. Same thing with the Torinos. What about
a Ford powered Chevy? The line has to be drawn somewhere. If
someone needs tech help with Chevys and Chevy drivetrains, the
place to go is a Chevy site. If we open up the group to 350
discussion, what's next? 350 cam selection? We are
www.ford-trucks.com, not www.classic truckshop. com or
www.chevytrucks.org - they have their focus and we have ours.
There is nothing to prevent someone from belong to more than
one group.

> Banning member's from this forum is not the answer, working thru it is more
> democratic...

I haven't banned anyone for this issue. I did unsubscribe the
person who requested it.

> BTW, if your looking for more CORE input, drop me a line.
>
> >Thank you;
>
> Rick Proctor............aka "charger"
>

Once things slow down at my job, I'll expand the core. As
it is right now, I'm barely keeping up with things. I should
have more time in a week or two. Send me a reminder. Keep
in mind that the charter for the club is already drawn and
represents over 6 months of work.

Ken
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:11:34 EST
From: Cdalep aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 56 header info

have a 56 with Volare clip and 302 , would like info on headers that can be
used with this combination. Need to make sure thay clear the steering box .
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:59:20 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - F-3 rear end swap

I need to find another dually rear end for my '52 F-3. I would like to get one
that will bolt right up to my springs and has a gear ratio around 4:10 or
4:11. I don't really want to get into moving the spring hangers and welding
them to make it fit. What year models (if any) can I use, up to a 60 or
70-something?
Any help?
Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:00:42 -0800
From: Mig
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Discussion's

Ken Payne wrote:>
> Where do we draw the line? Show we allow Ford Falcons? Afterall,
> the Ranchero was a Falcon. Same thing with the Torinos. What about
> a Ford powered Chevy? The line has to be drawn somewhere. If
> someone needs tech help with Chevys and Chevy drivetrains, the
> place to go is a Chevy site. If we open up the group to 350
> discussion, what's next? 350 cam selection? We are
> www.ford-trucks.com, not www.classic truckshop. com or
> www.chevytrucks.org - they have their focus and we have ours.
> There is nothing to prevent someone from belong to more than


Maybe I'm wrong but i thought the original question was about PUTTING a
chevy engine into a FORD truck. Not how to fix or build a chevy engine.
If you asked that question in a chevy group there going to tell you to
go to a ford group. I do appriciate all the work that Ken and anyone
else does to keep this group going. I have gotten alot from it . I just
wish you purist would lighten up alittle and have some fun here. The
group seems to be rolling along well sit back and enjoyed it for awhile.

Mig

48 F1
70 e100
87 f150
85 E150


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:32:17 -0800
From: MR Hay
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Flames

I'm real tired of wasting time reading this much ado about nothing. I
agree with '47 Fred, one of the most valuable members on this list,
IMHO. While I need and enjoy the valuable advice on this list, I've
much better things to do than read all this BS about impure trucks. I
just may put my old Vette engine in my '55, as I know little about the
complexities of trying to match the Ford components, and by doing such,
I eliminate a disposal problem.
There's countless examples of someone building organizations or
companies from scratch. It doesn't guarantee ownership forever, and the
criticism I've read is constructive, not destructive. Don't apologize,
George for asking an innocent question. If Ken wants to take his list
and go home, we'll find another, less sensitive and more open to honest
questions. Mike '55

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:55:11 -0600
From: Mike Garoppo
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rules

Rules are rules. You can't change them so quit crying about your damn ch*** 's crap and get
on with the list!!!

Fordman

Keep it up Ken

96 F150 4x4
76 F150 4x4
75 F250 4x4
59 F250 4x4 frame only
two 59 panels
58 2wd F100
60 2wd F100
95 T-bird LX
2 FORD riding mowers and
a dog named BRONCO, and a
puppy named RANGER



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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:47:33 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest Rules

In a message dated 3/24/1999 5:56:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fordman dynasty.net writes:

> Rules are rules. You can't change them so

Funny. They seem to have changed since I've been here, and nobody asked me,
or the membership as a whole.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:29:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Dead horse

The Chevy motor thread is a dead horse. Those who have
known me a while know that I do believe in keeping FTE
as open as possible. This is one of the reasons we have
8 lists which grew out of the original list.

While I stand firm in keeping this list aligned with
FTE's decision to follow the lead set by the soon to be
formed club, I also realize that there are very strong
opinions when it comes to this topic. I have a possible
solution....

If you feel strongly about it, step forward and volunteer
to admin another FTE list. This list, should someone
choose to take it on, will cover custom Ford truck craft.

Before you volunteer, here's what it will require of
you:

1. Your attention every single night, there are no
vacations from it, even if you put in a 12 hour day
at work. Bounced email will grow exponentially
if you let it go for one day.

2. You must deal with people blaming you for problems on
their end, with their software or server. You must
handle this patiently, even after its happened five
thousand times in six months.

3. You must deal with tons of bounced email when AOL or
Hotmail decides to crash.

4. Giving people instructions on list posting and other
common procedures occurs several times each day.

5. You must deal with people blaming you because they
can't figure out how to unsubscribe. Sometimes it
gets so bad they cuss at you.

6. Buying a keyboard macro program of some sort is also a
necessity in order to save time from repetitive typing.

7. You must be willing to do investigative work every....


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