pre61-list-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 085



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion
FTE Pre61 - '56 F100 Topic
Re: FTE Pre61 - '48 - 52 F1 Questions
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - Fords and others
FTE Pre61 - Chevy Discussion
FTE Pre61 - Re: lowering without IFS and ***** motors
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Spamming the lists
FTE Pre61 - Re: engine color
FTE Pre61 - tilt front
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:42:43 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion

The rules were here before us, and I don't mind them. If you need advise on
chevy engines in ford trucks, all the trucking books seem to cover it very
well. they don't cover the details of stock very well. I really don't care
about what people want to put in there vehicles, if is what you want, go for
it, but respect Ken and the intent of this list.
Steve
50-F1

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:08:48 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '56 F100 Topic

I apologize for the disruption I created on the list. It is a Ford Truck
list and I guess that, like the standing federal president's definition
of sex, can be interpreted by people in many different ways. The engine
question was honest but I follow other lists and don't see them get
off-topic for any reason. I still consider any discussion of an engine
in a Ford Truck other than one manufactured by Ford off-topic for this
list. The delete key is always there and I'll use it. After I've
expressed my opinion.

George Miller
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:17:45 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '48 - 52 F1 Questions

In a message dated 3/23/1999 11:48:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Phil.GUYETTE co.lane.or.us writes:

> My '52 F1 off-frame restoration is almost done, however, I've got a few
> minor problems I could sure use some assistance with.
> *The outside door handle on the drivers side sags - no doubt, the
> latch assembly is worn. I can't find a new one. Has anyone ever
> successfully repaired one?
>
Well, yeah, the assembly is worn, but you can fix that sag easily. Take the
handle/shaft assembly out of the door, by removing the screw from the back of
the door jamb, stick it in a vise, and twist it with a wrench or vise grips.
Stick it back in to see how it looks, adjust it as necessary, you're done.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:21:30 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

In a message dated 3/23/1999 2:00:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpayne ford-
trucks.com.com writes:

>
> I will state is one last time:
>
> Discussion about putting Chevy engines in a Ford is off-topic
> and not welcome - take it to a Chevy list.
>
Ken - You can state it as many times as you want - I think you're
overstepping your authority as list administrator with such dictatorial
edicts. I would like to think this is closer to a democracy. Your proposed
'club' can be a dictatorial as you'd like, but this list isn't.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:33:03 +0800
From: "Tony Jackson"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fords and others

Ken when I joined this discussion group I didnt read the rules in there
entirety but thought that any query on pre 61 trucks was ok. I can
understand the purists wanting to keep the platform Ford only. But as has
been pointed out some times people cant get the parts that are needed or
cant afford them. This is the case in Australia where parts O.M.E. or after
market for Fords break the bank. The licencing regulations that we have to
contend with make it prohibitive for many to import Mustang I.F.S. kits from
the states and the fact that we then have to convert them to R.H drive dont
help either. So I have had to convert my 56 to a HOLDEN I.F.S. This is the
last time that I will mention this as I dont want to leave the group. I find
it very informative and great reading most times. Just lately I have been
intrigued to read what has been going on. In my opinion a BL****Y motor is a
motor and serves one purpose no matter who made the damn thing and aint
worth getting hot under the collar about. Same goes for a
transmission,diff,I.F.S. ect. I am an F100 person through and through but I
am also a practical person with a limited bank account. So as I build my 56
I have to look at what is available and what is practical. I cant
understand the outrage that some seem to feel when this only started over a
simple question from a person that has probably seen postings that have said
that they have the same combination of motive power in their trucks. But as
you have pointed out there are rules that this group must follow. But please
keep in mind "IT WOULD BE A VERY BORING WORLD IF WE WERE ALL THE SAME"
thankfully we are not that is what makes this world a great place to live.
On that note I will stop my ramblings and ask if any one has any original
work shop manuals (the masters series) for the 56 F100 that they want to
part with? Thanks

TJ
56 F100
85 Bronco(chev diesel)

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:36:05 EST
From: WinfordR aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Chevy Discussion

I am a Ford Bigot. I appreciate Ken's stance, as he has explained it very
clearly, invalidating the statements about color choice, etc. I understood
from the very first time I read this digest, that it was to be pure Ford.

I am building a 54 F100. I have labored many extra hours because I want it to
be ALL Ford. I even purchased a Thunderbird steering column instead of using
the much easier GM. I am willing to put in the extra effort to keep it 'pure'
Ford.

My first car was a '55 Chevy. That was also my last Chevy. I have owned 20
Fords, and zero bad ones. I have many GOOD friends with Chevys. I like to
see restored Chevy trucks. But when I say I drive a Ford, you can be sure
that a Ford power plant is pushing it.

My pocket knife is even a Ford!

Good luck to all you guys.

Winford Rister



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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:14:03 -0800
From: Mike Foudy
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: lowering without IFS and ***** motors

Cheap? lowering:
Lowering the truck - I want to lower the front-end 4" and the rear
end 6" (level), but don't want IFI and don't want to move the rear axle
above the springs. The truck is basically stock; I don't want to
extensively modify the suspension. Are my plans (dreams) feasible?

My son purchased mono leaf springs from Durant Enterprises 714 673-5625.
Designed to drop truck 4". Installed, but truck not running yet so unable to report on
effectiveness or ride.

Bowties on the Ford Blue list:
47Fred says, To me the heart of this group is the diversity, there are guys
looking for the correct seat fabric and others offering to send samples,
here is the grad student in Texas that needed to know if a Y-block had
two drain tubes... What's my point? What's "off topic" next? Cordoba clip?
the Mustang front end? the LTD axle? the tip to the auto show site?
I didn't see the thing getting out of hand, I thought it was kind
of fun and self limiting. There were a lot of valid point expressed,
both pro and con. It's that kind of give and take that enlightens, even
if there is a little "normal and humorous" attached.

47Fred is right. Let's get a reasonable perspective on this.

Mike Foudy








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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:45:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

>>
>Ken - You can state it as many times as you want - I think you're
>overstepping your authority as list administrator with such dictatorial
>edicts. I would like to think this is closer to a democracy. Your proposed
>'club' can be a dictatorial as you'd like, but this list isn't.

The club decision was made by a democratic vote. The club is NOT
Ford Truck Enthusiasts, its seperate entity that happens to be
comprised of many FTE members and will work in association with
FTE but will be a completely seperate non-profit entity. The
people involved have spent countless hours putting it together.
They made the decision to keep powertrains all Ford.

I was as open minded as possible and even suggested that we include
late model Mazdas since they are rebadged Ford Rangers. The group
did not agree and wrote up the drivetrain portion of the club
charter. FTE intends to be "in sync" with the club and hence we
are honoring their guidelines. Afterall, it was a democratic
decision --- not the whim of a dictator as you accuse.

>From the FAQ:

"17. Who makes the decisions concerning the lists?

Most list matters are subject to a vote. We make the final decision
but we want the process as democratic as possible. We've had
democratic votes in the past, see our archives. "

To be quite frank, I can do anything I want with FTE. It is only
because I abide by certain principles that I keep many items open
to a democratic process. How would you like it if you spent
countless hours maintaining a free service and someone criticized
you because they didn't like the way you did it?

As the hats at the hamfest used say "don't bitch at me, I'm a
volunteer".

Ken Payne


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:04:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Spamming the lists

Just wanted everyone to know that before they buy anything
from Superior Carburators that this company thinks its ok
to spam our mailing lists. As usual, our list filters
caught the spam. I've cc'd the spammer if anyone else
wants to discuss this with the spammer.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:09:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: engine color

Forwarded for JSharp1070 aol.com:

I have some original brochures for both 1954 and 1955 that show the engine
color as yellow with silver or grey colored valve covers. The brochure also
shows some red engines for a paneled station wagon and those have black valve
covers.

I don't think the brochure is definitive but I think its interesting.

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:34:22 -0800 (PST)
From: David Stokes
Subject: FTE Pre61 - tilt front

My recommendation to you before you take the plunge is to really consider
it. If you tilt the front end you will have to cut the fenders. My 56
has a full tilt with homemade brackets. ( I bought it this way.) I really
wish that it wasn't tilted, for a about $275 I would go with the BMW kit.
In fact I am considering welding the fenders back together. My two cents
worth. If you decide to go ahead, Tbird Terry has some really good info

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:51:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ

Hi gang,

The FAQ and charter have been updated to duplicate information
found elsewhere on the site (i.e., the link at the bottom of
the charter). This update was done in order to clarify the
position of Ford Truck Enthusiasts concerning non-Ford power
plants in Ford trucks.

During the Summer/Fall of 1998, several people on the "core"
list made a decision concerning a club charter which would
exclude Ford family trucks which were powered by non-Ford
family engines (engines not made by Ford but installed by
Ford are acceptable, see the charter for details). Ford Truck
Enthusiasts, although a separate entity from the club (yet
to be incorporated as a non-profit), keeps itself "in sync"
with this tenant of the club.

For those that don't know, the core list is a group of
volunteers who act as advisors to myself/FTE and it also
facilitates communication for the formation of a national Ford
truck club. The core is open to anyone willing to volunteer
their time to discuss the direction of FTE - its not there
to air your dirty laundry but complaints are acceptable.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

PS- Give a round of applause to Keith Srb (herbie ford-trucks.com)
for being the admin of the 97+, small chassis and performance
lists. He's sort of the silent unsung hero behind the scenes....


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