pre61-list-digest Tuesday, March 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 084



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - '48 - 52 F1 Questions
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
FTE Pre61 - Tilt Front
FTE Pre61 - I Quit
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - Re: WeatherStripping Doors
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion
FTE Pre61 - ch*vy?????
Re: FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion
FTE Pre61 - Valve lifter problem
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
FTE Pre61 - Chevy power

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:57:29 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Flathead52 aol.com wrote:
>
> I have no problems with chevys. But I have often wondered why the folks that
> add chevy power plants to their truck's just didn't build chevy trucks? I
> think there are a lot of old chevy trucks out there to build. I'm not bashing
> anyone or any brand. Just wondering why?

It all goes back to Henry Ford. Being a cantankerous and cheap old
sucker, first he let Kundson go to Chevy, which established GM as a
power and a serious competitor, then he refused to update the Model T
until he was darn near bankrupt, and for a finish, stuck with the
flathead, which is an awful design, nostalgia not withstanding, until
everybody else (reads GM) had valve in head motors well established.
As a direct result of Chevrolet's near dominance in the small V-8
department, parts for are common, cheap and easy to obtain. Even when
Ford went OHV, they never stuck with interchangeable parts, you can't
swap a C-4 with a C-6 like a turbo 350 to 400, a windsor is different
than a cleveland, cranks don't swap, heads don't swap, a 302 won't
interchange worth cold spit with it's sister the 351, a y-block is
nothing like a FE, ect. ect.. Chevys avoid most of these problems. You
can get more power for less money and less problems with a Chevy in a
Ford, so why not do what Ford should have done and put the best with the
best?
I wouldn't have one myself, but I think that's why lots of folks
do. As I often say, anyone can run a Chevy, it takes a real man to build
a Ford.

47Fred.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:42:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

Before a flame war erupts, let me state that this is **Ford**
Truck Enthusiasts. Discussion about putting Chevy engines in
a Ford is off-topic and not welcome - take it to a Chevy list.

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:23:21 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

I think you should have responded to George Miller. He was the one that
started knocking the guy because of a genuine question. What difference does
it matter what we power our FORDS with. OR for that matter what fronted we
choose to use.
For instance GM, VOLARE ect. The point is that all of the license receipts
say ford NOT fordolet or fordchysler. It is a shame to me that a guy wants to
become a fordie and gets dogged out about what HE chooses to power it with. I
would guess that half of the oldies are powered by engines different from
original. Why would anyone want to ruin the originality of an old ford with
air conditioning? It is an everyday thing just like the engine swaps. I myself
find it very helpful in knowing what different things other mechanics can do
with these vehicles. It will come in handy for my next ford I build.

Bill 56
F-100
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:42:20 -0800
From: GUYETTE Phillip
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '48 - 52 F1 Questions

My '52 F1 off-frame restoration is almost done, however, I've got a few
minor problems I could sure use some assistance with.
*Hood Adjustment - the left rear corner of my hood is up about 1/2"
and I can't figure out how the hood adjustment works. I've loosened the
three nuts that secure the hood hinge and moved it up and down without
success. Can anybody pass along any tips on how to adjust it?
*The outside door handle on the drivers side sags - no doubt, the
latch assembly is worn. I can't find a new one. Has anyone ever
successfully repaired one?
*Lowering the truck - I want to lower the front-end 4" and the rear
end 6" (level), but don't want IFI and don't want to move the rear axle
above the springs. The truck is basically stock; I don't want to
extensively modify the suspension. Are my plans (dreams) feasible?
*
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Phillip
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:39 +0000
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Well said. I would add...A real man, with very big bucks, and the patience of the saints
to find parts.

Fred
Hot rod '56

47Fred wrote:

> Flathead52 aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I have no problems with chevys. But I have often wondered why the folks that
> > add chevy power plants to their truck's just didn't build chevy trucks? clip...

>
> As a direct result of Chevrolet's near dominance in the small V-8
> department, parts for are common, cheap and easy to obtain. Even when
> Ford went OHV, they never stuck with interchangeable parts, you can't
> swap a C-4 with a C-6 like a turbo 350 to 400, a windsor is different
> than a cleveland, cranks don't swap, heads don't swap, a 302 won't
> interchange worth cold spit with it's sister the 351, a y-block is
> nothing like a FE, ect. ect.. Chevys avoid most of these problems. You
> can get more power for less money and less problems with a Chevy in a
> Ford, so why not do what Ford should have done and put the best with the
> best?
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:23:17 EST
From: FRD56F100 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Tilt Front

I am in the process of starting a full tilt front end on my 56 F-100. My
problem is finding a good hinge system for this project. I saw the article in
Classic Trucks/April 99 of Bob's F100 on a tilt front. The roller tracking
system looks great, but I checked out the price and it is $839.00 plus tax. I
can't afford it. I've seen good hinge systems at car shows but have never
been able to talk to the owners. Can anybody recommend a company that sells
something like this? Any help will be appreciated.

Joe
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:47:51 EST
From: Ron2Vettes aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - I Quit

I sold my old truck and (for a while) want out of this "ford truck list". How
do I get out? Please help. Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:53:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

Meats56 aol.com wrote:

- -snip-
>What difference does it matter what we power our FORDS with.

- -snip-

I will state is one last time:

Discussion about putting Chevy engines in a Ford is off-topic
and not welcome - take it to a Chevy list.
^^^^^^^^^^^

>From our FAQ on the web site:

"No blatantly off topic posts. Questions about your brother's
Tempo belong on Fordnatics, not Ford Truck Enthusiasts.
Repeated offenses of these items can get you permanently barred
from the list."

>From the draft copy of the club charter that is being worked on
by several list members:

"Any truck considered in discussions or events must be recognizable
as a Ford truck and must be powered by an engine based on one
originally installed in a Ford, Mercury, or Lincoln vehicle at the
factory, but can be assembled using Ford pattern, after-market
blocks and heads, as long as it is recognizable as a Ford, Mercury,
or Lincoln engine. Use of other brand rods, rod bolts, valves,
non-stock carbs, etc. is considered within the normal scope of
Custom Truck Craft and is acceptable."

This policy is non-negotiable and no amount of discussion will
change it. Sorry if you don't agree with it but we will not have
our content diluted.

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:57:15 EST
From: STUDJAMES aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: WeatherStripping Doors

Dave
I took my doors off and put weathersrtipping, then remounted. It was too
tight of fit to get my fingers in the hinge areas while mounted. Relatively
easy and painless.
Jim (54F-100)

In a message dated 99-03-18 05:45:02 EST, you write:


Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:28:39 -0800
From: denanken oneworld.owt.com (david neumayer)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Weatherstripping

Can somebody give me some wisdom about weatherstripping? I am about to
remount my doors. Should I put my weatherstripping on before or after I
mount the doors. Does it get in the way of adjusting or does it help?

Dave Neumayer

old yeller 56 F100
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:20:37 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

Well, I can see that my 56 ford pickup that is CHEVY POWERED is not welcome
anymore in this discussion room. I will take my name off of the pre 61 list
or you can do it yourself. I guess when you pay the bills you can allow
whomever you want.
anybody that is wanting to talk or caht about their mid fifties truck can e-
mail me and I will not be biased in what you power it with or any other
bullsh-- like that. I want to thank all for the info on questions that I have
in the past ask. Maybe some where We that choose to upgrade our trucks can
chat elsewhere. Will be in Pidgeon Forge in May. Hope to see some of the fords
there. Got to be honest here if someone ask what I am running in my 56 I got
to tell the truth. As you all can see Chevy powered talk is NOT allowed. So
again If you have any questions or just want to talk oldies give me an e-mail.

Thanks
again, Bill 56 f-100
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:31:05 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion

Now I am confused, Seems many, myself included, have been enjoying
the recent post of *** who wants to put a ***** in his Ford. According
to the list administrator, this is off topic, so be quiet, least a flame
war erupts.

Under the rules of acceptable behavior listed on the web site for
mailing lists:
1: discussion of ANY topic related to Ford Trucks and vans.
4: ...mild flames are "normal and usually humorous"... ect.
6: No off topic posts. for example; "your wife's Dodge mini van.

It gets kind of boring, although I know its important to people, to
read post after post about the correct valve cover color, or what rear
axle fits, or where to find a bushing for a Cordoba clip. Once in a
while though, some poor soul excites the savage beast. I remember when
T-Bird Terry blew his ***** motor racing a "pimply faced kid". There
weren't 4200 list members then, but there was some passion aroused.
To me the heart of this group is the diversity, there are guys
looking for the correct seat fabric and others offering to send samples,
here is the grad student in Texas that needed to know if a Y-block had
two drain tubes, there's the fellow looking for a Chrysler bushing, and
the guy who wants to put a different engine in his truck. What's my
point? What's "off topic" next? Cordoba clip? the Mustang front end? the
LTD axle? the tip to the auto show site?
I didn't see the thing getting out of hand, I thought it was kind
of fun and self limiting. There were a lot of valid point expressed,
both pro and con. It's that kind of give and take that enlightens, even
if there is a little "normal and humorous" attached. I don't want to
read day after day about the choice of bowtie or fulie heads either. I
think the key is, as it says in the behavior list, "use common sense"

47Fred
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:42:22 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Chevy discussion

Meats56 aol.com wrote:
>
> Well, I can see that my 56 ford pickup that is CHEVY POWERED is not welcome
> anymore in this discussion room.

Let me correct that statement: CHEVY POWERED was NEVER welcome
here.

>I will take my name off of the pre 61 list or you can do it yourself.

Your wish is my demand.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:15:12 EST
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ch*vy?????

In a message dated 3/22/99 10:47:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, owner-pre61-list-
digest ford-trucks.com writes:


From: "Randy Selby"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

I have a 1950 F-1, and would like to find info about putting a 350 chev.,
turbo 400, and a 10-bolt rear end in it. I also have a 1981 Camaro Z28 and
would like to know if I can use the IFS in my truck. Any info would be
appreciated.

Randy Selby
1950 F-1 & 1952 F-1 >>

Try Fool.com

Glenn in TN
Soapy the "all Ford" 57 F-100
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:57:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - off topic confusion

47Fred wrote:
>
> Now I am confused, Seems many, myself included, have been enjoying
> the recent post of *** who wants to put a ***** in his Ford. According
> to the list administrator, this is off topic, so be quiet, least a flame
> war erupts.

I'm the one who receives the "hey, I thought this was Ford list, what's
this Chevy (*) ) ^T**(^ !# stuff!!!" emails. I know first hand the
flack
it causes. Whatever happens on the list, happens 10x worse off the
list
in my personal email box.

> Under the rules of acceptable behavior listed on the web site for
> mailing lists:
> 1: discussion of ANY topic related to Ford Trucks and vans.
> 4: ...mild flames are "normal and usually humorous"... ect.
> 6: No off topic posts. for example; "your wife's Dodge mini van.

- -snip-

> I didn't see the thing getting out of hand, I thought it was kind
> of fun and self limiting. There were a lot of valid point expressed,
> both pro and con. It's that kind of give and take that enlightens, even
> if there is a little "normal and humorous" attached. I don't want to
> read day after day about the choice of bowtie or fulie heads either. I
> think the key is, as it says in the behavior list, "use common sense"
>

I think that if anything, the lists are admin'd pretty openly. Common
sense does apply, as you stated. Go to any Ford truck show. The
comments
you get when you see a Camaro or Volore' clip, Lincoln read discs, etc.
are "cool", "nice work", etc. The comments that generally come forth
when people see a Chevy engine are "half breed", "guy's got a lot of
nerve", etc.

In this case, someone took it personally when I asked that the topics
stay on course. I've done this in the past with topics other than Chevy
engines -- this one is just a bit more emotional than most. Hot-rodding
or customizing your ride is one thing, but transplanting another company
engine
is considered sacrilege by most. I can promise you we haven't seen the
worst yet because of the lag time with digest members.

Ken
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:08:27 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Valve lifter problem

Ken, Sounds like your old lifter is worn out. As oil gets warmer &
thinner lifter is bleeding down. You'll probably have to go with a new
one. I would only change the bad one as a new lifter on an old cam is an
invatation for trouble, although we've all gotten away with it a time or
two. Be sure to use a good cam lifter lube on the lifter and cam lobe.
You should be able to get some at any shop that sells high performance
cams. If not, you can make your own by adding molybdenum disulfide
powder to a thick oil base like STP. You also might want to check your
valves to be sure you don't have one sticking in the guide when engine
gets hot (it's unlikely but it happens, especially to exhaust valves).
Hope this helps

John Harrison
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:55:15 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Randy, If you haven't already noticed you'll get get some heat for
mentioning Chevy on this list. Don't let it bother you. Some people's
predjuice blinds them. A 350 SB/T400 is a GOOD powertrain combo.
However, the 10" GM rear is nowhere near as strong as a 9" Ford. If you
plan to put some serious horses under the hood you might want to
consider the 9" even though it would give you a different bolt pattern
for front & rear wheels. This can be cured by having axle flanges
redrilled to match front. Camaro/Firebird front clip also makes for a
nice ride. It will lower the front end quite a bit so be sure this is
what you want, and have it done by someone who knows what he's doing or
you'll end up with a giant crab going down the road. I just finished
wiring a 51 panel delivery for a customer with same front end &
powertrain, and it drives great!
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:04:09 +0000
From: Kevin Coughlin
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Chevy power

I used this list as a source of information, I have only answered a few
posts and don't remember ever asking a question. I was shocked at the
response given to a Ford truck owner who wanted to put a Chevy motor in
his truck. It is HIS truck and can put whatever motor he wishes in it,
it will still be a Ford truck. Ken........not everyone has to like your
ideas of what their truck should be, what is next, you gonna tell
everyone what color they should paint it, does it have to be a Ford
color? This person is as much a Ford truck enthusiast as anyone else on
the list, probably more than some. Did you ever stop to think that maybe
he is using a Chevy motor because that is what he has, and cannot afford
to go out and buy a Ford motor?

This is your list Ken and I will leave you with it, I own a 54 F-100,
a Chevy Camaro and a Merc. Cougar, I am a car/truck enthusiast who....

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