pre61-list-digest Tuesday, March 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 083



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
FTE Pre61 - driveshaft angle
FTE Pre61 - steering colums and seat placement
Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine colors?
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61 book
FTE Pre61 - Re: Y Block
Re: FTE Pre61 - overdrive
FTE Pre61 - anti-ratlers
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels Vintiques
RE: FTE Pre61 - Wheels Vintiques
RE: FTE Pre61 - Engine colors?
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:25:09 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Randy, You should have no problem in doing what you want to do on the front
suspension. I have a 56 that I used a front clip from a 79 Z-28 with the same
10 bolt rearend. Only difference is that I changed to a coilover suspension on
the rear. I also am running a 350 but the 350 turbo. As for the response about
the ford content and so on I think it is really neat how people can take the
oldies that they have and use imagination to run ANY powerplant that they wish
to run. To me that is what it is all about is either original or different. I
myself preferred to rod mine out. As for my tailgate it still says "ford ."
It is your truck do whatever your imagination wishes.


Bill
56 Ford small
window

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:49:43 -0600
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - driveshaft angle

Dan,

The way I understand it is... the transmission angle alone doesn't tell you
enough. the transmission, driveshaft and pinion have to be 'phased' to
get the correct angles. You don't want a straight line between trans and
pinion but you don't want too much angle either. I would think that 5 deg.
is about the max you would want. The tall trucks with the severe angles
have a lot of u-joint wear. You want the bearings to 'work' but not
overwork. There is a very good explanation with diagrams at
Classictruckshop.com. I had a hard time visualizing this process until I
read and looked at this article. There's also some other tech stuff that
is well documented and photographed for you..., Give it a look.

John


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:04:56 -0600
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - steering colums and seat placement

HiYa group,

finally got my cab back from the body man and have it mounted to frame.
Now its time to set steering column and seats. The cab was stripped when I
got it originally so I'm not sure about seat placement (height/distance
from dash.) I'm using a Caddy split bench 60/40 seat and it sat very low
in the Sedan d'ville. Can someone give me some measurements on their seat
height from floorboards and distance to dash with the seat full back ?

Also, we've replaced the lower firewall and floorboards, so the original
holes are gone. If anyone has done the column swap with a mid 80's GM
column and coupled to a Volare steering box, I'd appreciate some tips,
measurements, hole locations in the floorboard and amount of column drop
you used. Did you use extra bracing from the dash to the firewall at the
drop location ? I hope to document this project with pics and details as I
go, so an article might be in the making here.

Thanks guys,

John


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:39:06 -0500
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine colors?

Would those colors be the same for a 55' truck?

Howard Tarnoff wrote:

> The engine color is YELLOW. Valve covers BLACK and air cleaner is Black. This
> is per the Ford Museum.
>
> Howard
>
> david neumayer wrote:
>
> > Hi guys. Thanks for all of the great info. I am puting the front fenders,
> > etc back on, but before I do I thought I might paint my engine. I have a
> > 56 f100 w/223 6 cyl. Does anyone know the colors of this engine. It looks
> > like the block was yellow and the head was red. Valve covers?. I have
> > heard some say use the body color on the engine. Others have said use POR15
> > (black or gray) on the entire thing. Any ideas. My Engine is pretty
> > rusty. POR15 my be good.... What have you all done
> >
> > Dave Neumayer
> >
> > 56 F100 "old Yeller"
> >
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:55:50 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61 book

Paul
My catalog from Concours Parts & Accessories is their 1948 - 1966 Ford =
truck catalog. Give them a call at 800-722-0009 for a copy.
Janet
Blaziin'48

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:07:32 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com=20
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Pre61 - book

Janet,
I have Mac's catalog but have not purchased anything from them. I can not =
find
any parts for my '52 F-3. They have parts mainly for F-1's, according to =
the
catalog.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:21:44 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Y Block

Hello everyone,
Thank you for all the replies I received about the "Y" block. I =
appreciate all the information I receive. I'm no mechanic but I am having =
a blast learning and tinkering on the old fire engine. Even if it's just =
tightening up bolts on the oil pan or changing an air filter. Gotta start =
somewhere....!
Much of the correspondence that goes on here has been helpful, so thank =
you all. Be safe out there!
Janet
Blazin'48


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:32:00 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - overdrive

"Abram H. Stauffer" wrote:
>
> Fordmen and ladies,
> I found an overdrive transmission. I have several questions before I
> buy it. Can anyone help me? It was found lying in the bed of the truck.
> I don't know the state of its condition. (1)Would being out of the truck
> effect the condition of trans? (2)Can you buy parts for the overdrive if
> it needs rebuilt? It came out of a 53 F-100. The engine was gone so I am
> not sure if the truck was a Flathead V-8 or a 6 cyl. I will have to go
> back and see if the grille had a star or a V-8 emblem. (3)Will this
> match up OK with my '54 V-8 239? (4)Will I need a different length drive
> shaft? (5) Are there any other potential problems I might run into that
> I haven't thought of yet? (6) What is the price for a working Overdrive
> tranny? Interesting observation: the "overdrive" script on this '53 was
> on the grille not on the hood.

1: If water got into it, you may be out of luck, pull off the side
cover, where the shift arms go, and look for damage to the gears and
guts. Otherwise, no.
2: I am of the understanding that the kickdown coil often fails and is
not availible. Any '49 up 3 speed transmission will interchange with 6,
V-8 or Y-block up to '64.
3: Overhead valve motors larger than 239's will rise heck with those
parts designed for flatheads which are gutless compared to Y-block
power. Will function if not abused. No 5500RPM full throttle shifts.
(makes an awful BOOM)
4: Not usually, all are the same overall length. may be some odd balls
out there.
5: Yes and in addition it will take longer and cost more than you
beilve. How are the electrics, kickdown switch, kickdown relay ect.
6: The value depends on who, what when and where. I can buy a fine
spline '57 up for $75. This is probably a low price. The "OD" on the
grill may indicate a backyard swap, and they found it easier to put it
there.

47Fred
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:38:55 -0500
From: "Tim Markle"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - anti-ratlers

I am wondering if anyone has removed the vent windows on a 51 f-1and if so
what anti-ratler weatherstrip did you use
regards Tim

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:50:40 EST
From: WBATTE aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels Vintiques

In a message dated 3/21/99 4:28:36 PM, hdmel ihot.com writes:

>

Please pass on the phone and address of Wheels Vintiques. Anyone else out
there have experiences with this company?

Thank You,
wm. batte
56 dead stock 40K miles
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:41:41 -0600
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Wheels Vintiques

Wheel Vintiques
5468 E. Lamona Dept. CT
Fresno, Ca. 93727
209-251-6957
209-251-1620 (fax)

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> From:WBATTE aol.com [SMTP:WBATTE aol.com]
> Sent:Monday, March 22, 1999 2:51 PM
> To:pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels Vintiques
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/99 4:28:36 PM, hdmel ihot.com writes:
>
> >
>
> Please pass on the phone and address of Wheels Vintiques. Anyone else out
> there have experiences with this company?
>
> Thank You,
> wm. batte
> 56 dead stock 40K miles
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:01:28 -0500
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Engine colors?

Yes

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[mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jason Piccola
Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 9:39 AM
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine colors?


Would those colors be the same for a 55' truck?

Howard Tarnoff wrote:

> The engine color is YELLOW. Valve covers BLACK and air cleaner is Black.
This
> is per the Ford Museum.
>
> Howard
>
> david neumayer wrote:
>
> > Hi guys. Thanks for all of the great info. I am puting the front
fenders,
> > etc back on, but before I do I thought I might paint my engine. I have
a
> > 56 f100 w/223 6 cyl. Does anyone know the colors of this engine. It
looks
> > like the block was yellow and the head was red. Valve covers?. I have
> > heard some say use the body color on the engine. Others have said use
POR15
> > (black or gray) on the entire thing. Any ideas. My Engine is pretty
> > rusty. POR15 my be good.... What have you all done
> >
> > Dave Neumayer
> >
> > 56 F100 "old Yeller"
> >
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:02:27 EST
From: Flathead52 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Bill
I have no problems with chevys. But I have often wondered why the folks that
add chevy power plants to their truck's just didn't build chevy trucks? I
think there are a lot of old chevy trucks out there to build. I'm not bashing
anyone or any brand. Just wondering why?

Tom
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:39:51 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Its not a Ford Performance Truck List, its a Ford Truck Enthusiast's list.
Randy's welcome, and so's his powerplant.

In a message dated 3/21/1999 10:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mega55 lv.rmci.net writes:

> hat's really stretching Ford Content on a Ford Performance Truck List.
> Performance normally concentrates on engine and associated
> mechanical/electronic parts relating to performance. Are you going to
> change the tailgate and emblems on the truck to match your primary
> interests?
>
> George Miller
>
> Randy Selby wrote:
> >
> > I have a 1950 F-1, and would like to find info about putting a 350 chev.,
> > turbo 400, and a 10-bolt rear end in it. I also have a 1981 Camaro Z28
and
> > would like to know if I can use the IFS in my truck. Any info would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Randy Selby
> > 1950 F-1 & 1952 F-1
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:51:51 -0500
From: kdmarty mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Maybe he likes the look of the Ford better then the Chevy.

Ken 55F100
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Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1


> Bill
> I have no problems with chevys. But I have often wondered why the folks
that
> add chevy power plants to their truck's just didn't build chevy trucks? I
> think there are a lot of old chevy trucks out there to build. I'm not
bashing
> anyone or any brand. Just wondering why?
>
> Tom
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:55:46 EST
From: BScott5766 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1950 f-1

Would you like me to also tell you what I think about abortion while I am at
it????????????????????????

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On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:53:31 George Miller wrote:
>That's really stretching Ford Content on a Ford Performance Truck List.
>Performance normally concentrates on engine and associated
>mechanical/electronic parts relating to performance. Are you going to
>change the tailgate and emblems on the truck to match your primary
>interests?
>
>George Miller
>
>Randy Selby wrote:
>>
>> I have a 1950 F-1, and would like to find info about putting a 350 chev.,
>> turbo 400, and a 10-bolt rear end in it. I also have a 1981 Camaro Z28 and
>> would like to know if I can use the IFS in my truck. Any info would be....

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