pre61-list-digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 062



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Maladjusted Steering
FTE Pre61 - Electrical wiring
Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts
FTE Pre61 - Pictorial
FTE Pre61 - Re: Gibbon IFS
FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61-electrical wiring
Re: FTE Pre61 - Electrical wiring
Re: FTE Pre61 - seat belts
FTE Pre61 - Parts & Trucks
Re: FTE Pre61 - Pictorial
FTE Pre61 - Flathead question
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Gibbon IFS
FTE Pre61 - rod bolts on flatty

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:20:31 -0500
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Maladjusted Steering

One of you all posted a note here last week some time about taking the
slop out of your steering. I pulled out the '54 - '55 Shop manual and
found the instructions for adjusting the steering box. Send me an email
if you still need that inf!
- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:42:21 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Electrical wiring

I have a friend looking for an aftermarket wiring kit, and I already
deleted the reply from a few days back ref: a source which sold all
black wires, marked every 5 feet, for about $200. If anyone could
pass that info along to me it would be appreciated.

Thanks, Paul
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:49:27 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts

Hello out there,
I have been considering installing seat belts in my '48 F6 fire engine =
but am not sure where to start. The gas tank is located behind the bench =
seat.
-If I go to a local yard, what kind of a vehicle would I look for to =
take the belts out of?
-Where would the belts be mounted?
I would appreciate any help, suggestions and etc. Has anyone done this =
on a 48 F6? Thanks!!
Janet
Proud owner of the Blazin '48

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:15:31 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Pictorial

Ken (Payne),
I went out to www.ford-trucks.com/contact/index.php3 and saw the notice that =
said: =20
"due to the large number of submissions received in the last quarter, we =
are only acceptint submissions from people who choose to become members of =
our email discussion groups" and to contact the list admin for information.=

I submitted two pictures of my '48 F6 Fire Engine approximately two =
weeks ago - does that mean my pictures will not be posted unless I =
unsubscribe now and then resubscribe at a later time and submit my =
pictures then? Hope not...

- -Janet (-:

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:16:17 EST
From: STUDJAMES aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Gibbon IFS

In a message dated 99-02-26 05:44:18 EST, you write:


There are a number of quality kits, usually Mustang II IFS, available from
reputable dealers like Fat Man Fabrications and No Limit Engineering. You
can find their ads in any of the classic truck magazines. These kits usually
require some cutting. Not that extensive but surgery nonetheless. The kit
that I know of with the least amount of grief for the oxy/acetyl challanged
is
the kit from Gibbon Ford F100 (yeh, the fiberglass people). They have a bolt
in crossmember kit that takes Chrysler torsion bar ifs. There have been a
couple of threads in this list from folks having good results with this kit.
Don Lewis
'46 Ford 1/2 ton
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Don,
What price range are we talking on this setup? Did you use new or used parts
for the Chrysler. Looking for bolt in kit, and this looks workable,
Thanks! James (Studjames aol.com)
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:22:30 -0800
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE: pre61-electrical wiring

I would recommend Ron Francis's for a wiring kit. I have never used their
kit but talked to them before rewiring a 55 Chevy Truck and helping a friend
rewire a Jeep C-J7. They really know what they are talking about and
hindsight being 20/20 I wish I had used them in both cases. For the Chevy I
bought the cheapest kit, big mistake. On the CJ the friend bought a kit
from painless wiring. The kit had to be modified extensively and did not
replace all the wiring although it was sold as a complete wiring harness.
Their phone support was a toll call and did not help. Their email support
was slower and did produce documents that should have been in the kit.

The great thing about Ron Francis is they number all their kits so if you
call they know exactly what you have and if you add air later they will know
what you need for additional wiring to do it.

Sacramento Vintage Ford also has wiring kits. I have used their tail lights
and front parking lights on my F-1 and was very happy with them. The
pictures of the kit seem to be of the same quality and I believe would work
well for a stock application.


Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:58:25 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - electrical wiring

I am currently planning the re-wiring of my '52. The truck did not have a
fuse
box of any kind on it. I have looked at the aftermarket harness suppliers
and
I haven't seen any wire kits with a fuse panel on them either. I am
converting
my truck to 12 volt and would like to have some sort of protection, but
havent
seen any kits that incorporate a fuse box in with their harness. My truck
will
be all original and will not have a lot of power accesories such as power
windows, big stereo, etc. but I would like to add air cond. later on. I have
seen the panels you can buy and make your own harness, but I am no
electrical
genius. What have you guys done and is there an all in one kit that I
haven't
found? Any help please?

Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:53:28 +0000
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Electrical wiring

Hi Paul,

I looked at several options before deciding on one called E-Z wire. (904)
437-1077.

Mid fifties has an original type harness, with fuse block for $165. It has
no
circuit for air.

Painless wiring is popular, but the pain comes in the price. It's color
coded and
does look like a good set.

The one I chose has all black wires, but they are labeled every five inches
right
on the wire. If you can read you can install this set. No remembering what
color
is what. Just pick up the wire and read it. A very nice set that even comes
with
the GM column connectors. It's $185. for 12 circuits, and $195 for 21
circuits,
with 18 fuses. Includes flashers, fusible link, horn relay etc.

Fred HotRod '56

Paul wrote:

> I have a friend looking for an aftermarket wiring kit, and I already
> deleted the reply from a few days back ref: a source which sold all
> black wires, marked every 5 feet, for about $200. If anyone could
> pass that info along to me it would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Paul
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:26:54 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - seat belts

In a message dated 3/1/1999 3:00:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Oldtrukman webtv.net writes:

> I just drilled holes in the floor of the cab ahead of
> the gas tank and bolted them in, using the fender washers on the under
> side of the floor.
> In 1989 I had the misfortune of testing them out when my wife and I
> were hit head on by a drunk driver when we rounded a corner and he
> didn't. The belts definatly saved our lives.
Rick (Rat, whatever)
Great info, and glad to hear they helped. Did anything happen to the seat or
its attachment to the cab floor in your incident? Seems that all the pressure
would have been on the back of the seat.
> I have thought of bending a piece of 1/8 steel to mount between the back of
the
> door opening aroung to the rear window frame.
That's what I've been thinking of, but also cutting a curve out of flatstock
to weld onto the bent steel to make a curved angle iron. Seems it ought to
work.
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:08:47 -0500
From: "Barbara A. Gatz"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Parts & Trucks

Hi list readers thought I would pass on a list of trucks I have found in
north central Pa. If any one is looking for a project or parts I will try
to find out what I can and pass it on. Found 54 F600 no bed, 57
F500,56F350,55 Stub Nose Cabover, 53 Marmon Harington 10' Dump Box 4X4, 51
or 52 F500 flathead,stakebedis script bed, 56 F250 with 8' stakebed also
script. If anyone needs parts E-mail at mandgatz csrlink.net I'll give as
much info as I can.
Marty 56 F350
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:20:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Pictorial

>>Ken (Payne),
> I went out to www.ford-trucks.com/contact/index.php3 and saw the notice that said:
> "due to the large number of submissions received in the last quarter, we
>are only acceptint submissions from people who choose to become members of
>our email discussion groups" and to contact the list admin for information.
> I submitted two pictures of my '48 F6 Fire Engine approximately two weeks
>ago - does that mean my pictures will not be posted unless I uns*bscribe now
>and then res*bscribe at a later time and submit my pictures then? Hope not...
>
>-Janet (-:
>

No, they'll get posted. I'm just trying to slow down the avalanche of
new photos. For the past 9 weeks, I've been spending 4+ hours each
Saturday updating the pictorials.

Ken


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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:44:15 -0500
From: "Miguel....."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Flathead question

As you may already know, I own a 1951 F-1, I got it last summer here in
Ontario, Canada, it had no engine (was stolen to the old owner) but it had
the transmition.
I have been trying to decode the different numbers it has:

- - One plate says:

ENGINE- IE-2014 MODEL- F-1
TRIM- 14 PAINT 93
SERIAL-BDA83AH51-8860

- - A second plate (right front side of the firewall) says:

STYLE C2C-81A
BODY NO. 25215
JDFP- 1408
41

- - I have been trying using different books, etc. with no luck. Does anyone
of you know how to decode this?
- - I am confused because some people have told me that in those years there
were only Mercury trucks made in Canada. Do you know anything about this?
- - I want to get the flathead engine for my truck, but I have to admit that I
am not an expert with this engines, Were the Flathead engines basically the
same from 1948 to 1952? are they the same of those found in Ford cars?
- - I have three offers of flathead engines, I need some help in how to decode
the numbers in the block. I think they are only stamped in the bellhousing,
am I right?
I really want to get the right engine.
- -One more question: Did the engines had the option of an oil filter? or is
it just an aftermarket component?

Thank you for all your great help.
ford-trucks-com/f1


Miguel Londono.
F-1 951 Canada

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:44:33 -0600
From: Don Lewis
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Gibbon IFS

From: STUDJAMES aol.com
Date sent: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:16:17 EST
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Gibbon IFS
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> In a message dated 99-02-26 05:44:18 EST, you write:
>
>
> There are a number of quality kits, usually Mustang II IFS, available
> from reputable dealers like Fat Man Fabrications and No Limit
> Engineering. You can find their ads in any of the classic truck
> magazines. These kits usually require some cutting. Not that extensive
> but surgery nonetheless. The kit that I know of with the least amount of
> grief for the oxy/acetyl challanged
> is
> the kit from Gibbon Ford F100 (yeh, the fiberglass people). They have a
> bolt in crossmember kit that takes Chrysler torsion bar ifs. There have
> been a couple of threads in this list from folks having good results with
> this kit. Don Lewis '46 Ford 1/2 ton
> >>
>
> Don,
> What price range are we talking on this setup? Did you use new or used
> parts for the Chrysler. Looking for bolt in kit, and this looks workable,
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>

My 97 catalog shows a price of $490 for 48-63 frames. That's for the front
and rear crossmembers and strut brackets. You still have to supply the new
or used Mopar pieces. Somewhere I saw an commercial ad for a complete
setup but I can't find it again. You can contact them at Gibbon's 2nd Chance
Classics, Box 520, Gibbon, NE 68840 (308) 468-6178.


Don Lewis
'46 Ford 1/2 ton
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:02:26 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - rod bolts on flatty

I am finally putting my flathead together. I am going by a couple of rebuild
manuals (one is not Ford's). Is there supposed to be a locknut behind the
"crown" nut on each one of the rod bolts or just the one "crown" nut? I can't....


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