pre61-list-digest Sunday, January 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 006



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Removeing headlight switch
FTE Pre61 - What's a "T" model
FTE Pre61 - In search of................Big Fords
FTE Pre61 - rewiring 51 f-1
RE: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords
FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands
FTE Pre61 - Engine Color
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands
FTE Pre61 - 57 F-100, Looking for a better frame & suspension
Re: FTE Pre61 - rewiring
RE: FTE Pre61 - rewiring
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands
FTE Pre61 - Rust Removal
RE: FTE Pre61 - Rust Removal
Re: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords
Re: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords
Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:33:18 -0600
From: "MARK AMES"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Removeing headlight switch

Im not shure on a 59 but try this. While maintaining constant pressure by =
pulling out on the switch, turn it. Eventually you will hit a point where =
it will pull right out.

"56Merc"


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:38:55 -0600
From: "MARK AMES"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What's a "T" model

This is Ford's designation for there trucks with tandam rear axels.

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:49:09 -0600
From: "MARK AMES"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - In search of................Big Fords

To the person looking for a BigFord truck I know of a T750 BigJob that is =
good for parts, it's been sitting for some time, I have the Hood off of it =
with the emblems and the factory option hood scoop. And I know of a =
really nice Big job I think it's a F700 or F750 it may have been a T700 or =
750 but can't remember. But this truck also has the optinal hood scoop =
and looks like it was in driveable condition when I saw it 2 years ago. =
It was a black truck with a stainless steel milk bulk tank on it. Let me =
know if your interested it's about 150 miles from me here in North Dakota.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:48:54 EST
From: Brad4dwood aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - rewiring 51 f-1

Speaking from expierence I can tell you that the wire kits from Ron Francis
Wire Works are a piece of cake to install. Ther ad used to say "if you can
fill out this order form, you can wire your vehicle" It is the solid truth. I
did my '56 with little to no expierence in just over 12 hours of time. When I
hooked up the battery the only thing wrong was a turn indicator wire crossed
with the high beam indicator, like I said a piece of cake. By the way they are
located in Chester, Pa....just outside of Philly and have a toll free order
number which I dont have here with me One more note they build the kits to
your spec also, stock or with different steering columns, dash ign. switch or
column...any way you want it.
Hope this helps
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:28:57 -0500
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords

Ray, Tmodel was the tandem model same as the F series but with two drive
axles. I know of two here in western NY, both are rough but all there. One
is a 54 or 55 the other is a 56. Garry

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> [mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ray Cardogno
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:43 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords
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> Now you really got me. :o What is a T model?
> ray C
> --
>
> On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:18:42 Andy D wrote:
> >I am looking for a 53-56 (perfer 56)T-700,750 or 800 in any condition.
> >I will be interested depending on location. I'm not ready to fix one up
> >but I'm trying to locate one for a future project.
> >
> >Andy
> >www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/7464
> >ICQ# 13179729
> >70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
> >56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
> >56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed
> >
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:06:05 +0100
From: Karel Crombach
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands

Hi Ford Truck Enthusiasts. I live in The Netherlands and recently imported
a Ford F1 truck (1949) straight from Texas USA.
>VIN97HC165047
>BranchBUF
>Body stylePK
>Year model1949
>Make:Ford
>MFG Capacity1/2 ton
>Weight4000
>License nr.LB9960
>Cylinder head part number 1HA 6050
>Enigine number1 HA 6015A (+ attached plate with number N E23 1)

I am currently busy restoring it, which takes a lot of energy. In all
advertisements and web sites I read that the F1 comes with a V8 engine.
However, mine does have a straight 6 engine with a manual gear box (3
gears; shifter on the floor). In the mean time I was told this is original
as well. Can somebody tell me a bit more about this engine (specs)?

Besides the engine, also the bed of my truck is different as the ones I saw
on pictures at different web sites. Mine does look much more as a Mercury
M68. However, I was told when I bought it that my Ford F1 truck is a
special and rare model (0,75 tons?) and therefore has a flat and wide bed.
Problem is that I have not yet seen any picture of it that confirms that it
indeed is that special
model. Does somebody know anything about it? I can mail some pictures on
request.

In the mean the I have tried at several sites to analyse the VIN
(97HC165047) but without success. I primarely received the number on a
piece of paper (Texas Certificate of Title). Inside the car it was stamped
into a small metal Ford plate which was attached with 4 nails inside the
engine compartment. So in order to import the car into The Netherlands I
had to stamp it myself into the chassis. Can somebody help me analysing the
VIN so I can try to find out the original color, etc. All parts are already
completeley sand sprayed. When I removed the ceiling cover I found I rather
dark green / grey color but I am not sure whether that was also the color
of the outside. When I bought it, it was blue which, as I assumed, is not
original.

I look forward to receiving your answers / recommendations or at least
addresses to which I can forward my questions.

Thanks and regards from The Netherlands!!

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Karel CrombachTelefoon045,5242554
Stationstraat 297GSM 06,54324594
6361 BH NuthKantoor043,3524200

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:12:05 -0600
From: "Dan L. Gable"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color

Can someone help, I need to know what color the 272 engine out of my =
1957 F100 should be. Valve Covers Too? I am also looking for =
information (pictures) of the two tone red / white color scheme that =
will help me get the right panels red vs white.

Please help if you can.

Thanks,=20

Dan


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:34:47 EST
From: Fordf3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands

I would like to se a pic of your truck.Then i will try to help you with your
questions
Ed
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:54:41 -0500
From: "Kenneth Marty"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands

Karel VIN # Reads as Follows

9 = Year 1949
7H = 6 cyl
C = 1/2 Ton
165047= Production Sequence

1949 F1 1/2 Ton 6 cyl.

My Book only gives specs on the 1 Ton 6 cyl. Eng.. only not sure if its the
same Eng.. or not but here they are for the 1 ton 6 cyl. cid 226 HP 95
comp. ratio 6.8:1 carb 1 barrel

Paint Color Codes

Meadow Green M-14283
Birch Gray M- 14286

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From: Karel Crombach
To: 'pre61-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 9:12 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands


>In the mean the I have tried at several sites to analyse the VIN
>(97HC165047) but without success.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:10:47 -0800
From: Jason Wright
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 57 F-100, Looking for a better frame & suspension

>What is the best full frame & suspension to place under a 57-F100 short box,
>to get a great ride with power steering, disk brakes front & rear, and
>anti-sway bars, also need to fit in a big block, and of course needs to have independent front suspension?

Jason Portland, Oregon

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:40:00 -0500
From: "C. Greenlaw"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - rewiring

Howard Tarnoff wrote:

> Actually I had just cancelled my subscription to Truckin because they had more
> pictures of Bimbos than trucks in their coverage of the Truck Nationals in Carlisle
> last June.

What is it with automotive magazines anyway? I used to get Muscle Mustangs, then all
of a sudden it is seemed like it was bought out by Larry Flint. Same with most of the
trucking ones, some guy in tennis shoes opening up enough parts boxes to outfit Summit
Racing, half of which won't fit the vehicle they apparently are intended for, while
some overpriced sweety, in high heels, pretends to be interested. If I want to look at
something non automotive, don't you think those publisher clowns could figure it
wouldn't be a truck mag. Am I getting old or just dense?

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:41:44 -0800
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - rewiring

>Anybody know of an inexpensive place to have a 1951 F1 rewired in Orange
>County, Ca.? There is somebody in riverside that was supposed to do it for
>600.00 but he doesn't seem to have the time.

There are some very complete and easy to install wiring harnesses on the
market for less than half that price. I hear that the directions are very
clear so that even a first-timer will have good results. If you have a few
hours to spare to install it, that might be the way to go.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C-2v (still disabled)
1992 Mustang (the curse seems to have been lifted)

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:46:08 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford F1 questions from The Netherlands

In a message dated 1/10/1999 9:18:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
crombach xs4all.nl writes:

> In the mean the I have tried at several sites to analyse the VIN
> (97HC165047) but without success. I primarely received the number on a
> piece of paper (Texas Certificate of Title). Inside the car it was stamped
> into a small metal Ford plate which was attached with 4 nails inside the
> engine compartment.
The VIN should already be on the frame. The 'Ford Pickup Red Book' claims
its on the 'left side of the frame near the steering gear mounting bracket.'
This is suspicious because: (1) I don't know what they mean by 'bracket;' (2)
its not there on my '51; and (3) I've seen numerous locations from people on
this list. You're lucky its stamped on the Patent Plate - some are, most
aren't.
Anyway - the first 9 in the VIN does not definitely mean its a 49. The same
sequence, beginning with 9, was kept until September of 1951. My book shows a
total of ~138,000 F1, F2, and F3 trucks built as 1949 models (F4 shows NA).
That might put your truck, with its 165,000 plus sequential number, into 1950.
I don't know if they skipped numbers along the way, or had different batches
for different assembly plants, and I don't know what the generally accepted
49-50 cutoff point is. Not that it really matters much. I assume you know
the differences between the 50 and 51 models, and your number is too low for a
51.
What would be really great is if you had your production plate from inside
the glovebox door. That would give you a production date, and whether the
truck was a special order. Sounds like you have a bed from a bigger truck, or
its not an F1.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:22:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Darcy Lee Davis
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rust Removal

I had always had plans to take the rust and paint off my '48 using a disc
sander for the topside and sandblaster for the undersides. However I went
to work on the hood and found that indeed, the disc sander is not the
quickest method even with a 60 grit disc on. Now I'm considering blasting
both sides with a sil 4 sand, and then using either a longboard, belt
sander, or the disc sander to smooth it out. Will this be more or less
work? Will primer flatten out the rough surface the sand leaves? Is there
a better method than this?
TIA,
Darcy Davis

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:25:33 -0500
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Rust Removal

Media blasting is far more efficient and effective then sand. It also
cleans up better.

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[mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Darcy Lee Davis
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 4:22 PM
To: fordtrucks
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rust Removal



I had always had plans to take the rust and paint off my '48 using a disc
sander for the topside and sandblaster for the undersides. However I went
to work on the hood and found that indeed, the disc sander is not the
quickest method even with a 60 grit disc on. Now I'm considering blasting
both sides with a sil 4 sand, and then using either a longboard, belt
sander, or the disc sander to smooth it out. Will this be more or less
work? Will primer flatten out the rough surface the sand leaves? Is there
a better method than this?
TIA,
Darcy Davis

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:12:12 -0800
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords

Ray and others,
The T series is the "Big Job" Tandem Truck. Ray, you gotta buy that
Ford Truck book by James K. Wagner. Or check the Ford site at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/ Use the pull down menu
and go to heritage then on the timeline click on the TV commercial and
you'll see one. By the way the commercial is from 1954!!!!
Andy, Good luck on finding your '53-'56 tandem, I've never seen one
unless I did when I was a little kid in the late '50's or early 60's.
I've been thinking lately wouldn't it be great to find a company that
had a fleet of Ford trucks and when they upgraded they just parked them
out back!! There is an electrical construction company near State
College, PA that has this practice, but they only bought GMC's and
Chevys!
Abe '54 F-100
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:22:51 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Big Fords

>Now you really got me. :o What is a T model?

Ray
It's Tandem Rear Axles. The T-700 is rated at 22,000 pounds, The T-750
is rated at 28,000 pounds, and the T-800 is rated at 34,000 pounds. The
only reason I want one is because I have never seen one that old and it
would be a great challenge to restore one day. Strip mining operations
are the only thing I can think of that would have used them


Andy
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/7464
ICQ# 13179729
70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:36:37 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color

>Can someone help, I need to know what color the 272 engine out of my
>1957 F100 should be. Valve Covers Too? I am also looking for =
>information (pictures) of the two tone red / white color scheme that
>will help me get the right panels red vs white.
>Please help if you can.
>Thanks,=20
>Dan

My 2 1956 272's are both yellow. I'm not sure if ford changed in 57 or
not.

Andy
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/7464
ICQ# 13179729
70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed


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From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com

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