pre61-list-digest Friday, February 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 058



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - magic Air heaters, F-2 parts
FTE Pre61 - ignition resistor
Re: FTE Pre61 - magic Air heaters, F-2 parts
FTE Pre61 - front end
FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??
FTE Pre61 - Magazines??
Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??
FTE Pre61 - color code
RE: FTE Pre61 - Magazines??
FTE Pre61 - F100 4x4 conversion
Re: FTE Pre61 - color code
Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??
FTE Pre61 - New Subscriber II
FTE Pre61 - electrical wiring
FTE Pre61 - Dallas F100 fans
Re: FTE Pre61 - electrical wiring
FTE Pre61 - Volare Torsion Bar Bushings
Re: FTE Pre61 - Dallas F100 fans
Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:28:04 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - magic Air heaters, F-2 parts

How do you tell the difference between a magic air heater and the others?
And also I am using a F-2 grill for my F-1, they are the same size. When the
weather gets good this spring I can go check out a local junk yard, it has
several F-2 to F-5 grain trucks, that's where I found a almost flawless
grill. The higher stance of those trucks and the limited driving season puts
those grills in great shape. I also found some fenders with little or no
rust
Steve, Minot ND

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:47:27 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ignition resistor

Paul, you will definately need to use a resistor with a 12 volt system.
Any good auto parts store should be able to get you a 12 volt ign coil
with a built in resistor. This will save you the trouble of installing
an external one, plus it will still look original if that is a concern.
Good luck.

John

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:15:29 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - magic Air heaters, F-2 parts

In a message dated 2/26/1999 9:38:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shansen minot.com writes:

> How do you tell the difference between a magic air heater and the others?
I suspect we're talking about the fresh air heater option. The whole thing
is pretty complicated, taking fresh air from the grill area through a pipe up
under the right fender into the cab. It appears from my books that in 49-50
there was a fan separate from the heater core and controls. I can't tell if
the fan was inside or outside the cab. In 51-52 they are combined inside the
cab. There's an underdash panel with four controls - electrical switch, air
control, defrost control, and temperature control
I'd love to have one. If any of those grain trucks are 51-52, perhaps we
could talk some more.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:19:23 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - front end

Dan, You might want to take a look at an AMC Pacer front end. It's a
self contained unit (suspension, rack & pinion steering, and disc brakes
all hung on the crossmember). Doesn't require too much modification as
far as instaling the crossmember goes, but don't forget you will also
have to change master cyl& probably install power brake booster, modify
or replace steering column & steering shaft, install power steering
pump, install & plumb proportioning valve for brakes. Even an "easy" ifs
conversion involves a bit of work. I have a 60 panel which is my daily
driver. I used a Ch**y P/U front stub grafted on under the seats
(they're both 6" channel 34" wide at that point) Every time some idiot
cuts in front of me or does some other bonehead move I'm glad I've got
those disc brakes and quick steering. It was well worth the effort, but
probably not the route for you if you are using the original engine
(crossmember could interfere with oil pan). Good Luck

John Harrison

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:31:05 -0700
From: "A. D. Dodge"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??

Hi gang -

Has anyone installed lap / shoulder belts in their 53-56 truck? How would you attach
the shoulder harness? Seat belts alone wouldn't prevent slamming your chest into the
steering wheel in an accident (heaven forbid).

Dusty Dodge
'55 F100

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:20:39 -0700
From: "A. D. Dodge"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Magazines??

What other magazines would y'all recommend in addition to Custom Classic
Trucks and Y-Block Magazine? Thanks much....

Dusty Dodge
'55 F100

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:55:40 +0000
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??

Dusty,

I installed a set of 3 point belts, shoulder harness, in my '56. It's not on the road
yet, but in working on the interior I knew I wanted a set. I went to a local yard and
found a set, that matched my bucket seats, from a full size late model Chevy wagon. The
GM models are pretty consistent with only mounting variations between models.

I mounted the recoil unit in the cab corners (on the plate that comes up vertically
there). Above that in as straight a line as I could manage, I mounted the harness
coupler to the reinforcing bar that runs under the window. The third point just mounts
to the floorboard. I ordered a set of reinforcing plates from RB's (or Southern Rods)
that come with hefty bolts and nuts as well as the plates (about 14 bucks I think) My
bucket seats already had the buckle part as an integral part of the seat construction.

The set they sell after market (Southern Rods) I didn't like, so I sent them back and
went shopping at the junk yard (excuse me automotive recycler). Anyway, the aftermarket
ones were $90. Mine cost $40. plus the reinforcing kit for $14. When it's finished you
won't be able to tell they weren't factory, if I do say so myself. I will put some
pictures up on my site in about 10 days... showing the whole set-up. I'll post a
reminder when they're there.

Fred
Hot Rod '56



"A. D. Dodge" wrote:

> Hi gang -
>
> Has anyone installed lap / shoulder belts in their 53-56 truck? How would you attach
> the shoulder harness? Seat belts alone wouldn't prevent slamming your chest into the
> steering wheel in an accident (heaven forbid).
>
> Dusty Dodge
> '55 F100
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:54:16 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?Qm9irg==?=
Subject: FTE Pre61 - color code

I've got something odd: my '56 rating plate has a color code T. Is this a
fake one? I can't find it in the original paint codes...
Someone a clue?

Bob
56 F-100 original
56 F-100 custom


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:36:13 -0500
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Magazines??

Dusty,

I like Classic Trucks a lot more than Custom Classic Trucks. You may also
enjoy Auto Restorer as it has no paid advertisements. Subscription
Department, PO Box 55845,
Boulder CO 80323-5845 12 issues at $27.95.

Don't waste your money on Truckin' Magazine unless your subscription to
Playboy has expired
and you need a new source for Bimbo pictures.

Howard
55F100
54Sunliner

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Subject: FTE Pre61 - Magazines??


What other magazines would y'all recommend in addition to Custom Classic
Trucks and Y-Block Magazine? Thanks much....

Dusty Dodge
'55 F100

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:49:13 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - F100 4x4 conversion

I would like to put a 53/56 F100 pickup body on a 4x4 rolling chassis.
Does anyone know which chassis is the easiest/closest to F100
dimensions, regardless of make?
Is there any to avoid at all costs?

I know this has been done by many of you...well, at least a few...
Any help would be appreciated.

Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:46:40 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - color code

In a message dated 2/26/1999 2:25:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bob.holleman tip.nl writes:

> I've got something odd: my '56 rating plate has a color code T. Is this a
> fake one? I can't find it in the original paint codes...
> Someone a clue?
I was going to ask if you were sure it was a '56, but since you have two of
them, I expect you know. T in '55 was Thunderbird Blue, T in '57 was
Woodsmoke Gray. In '56 there was a S for Special Paint, so you'll just have
to consider yours exTra Special Paint.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:04:24 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??

In a message dated 2/26/1999 12:53:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dustymtn earthlink.net writes:
> Has anyone installed lap / shoulder belts in their 53-56 truck? How would
you
> attach the shoulder harness?
Then, (Fred g 454) wrote
>Above that in as straight a line as I could manage, I mounted the harness
>coupler to the reinforcing bar that runs under the window. ... My
>bucket seats already had the buckle part as an integral part of the seat
construction.

I've been pondering this myself, but for a '51. '51 has the gas tank in the
cab, which really prevents the proper mounting position for the inboard
anchor. Seems that Fred has buckets which are secure enough to transfer the
seatbelt load. But, if we're trying to put in belts, either lap or
lap/shoulder, with the original or replacement bench seat, this is a problem.
If you just route the belts between the seat and the back, then down to the
floor, the force of an accident would just rip the seat forward out of the
way. So it seems you need a hefty strap that goes over the gas tank from the
rear of the cab to the floor. Such a strap would also deform on impact, given
the concave shape of the gas tank.
Then, there's that upper mount. Seems to me that the "reinforcing bar that
runs under the window" is too low for proper mounting of the shoulder belt.
But, I only say that because fastory installations of 3-point belts usually
have the upper mounting point higher. Now that I think of my various MGs,
their upper mounts are down in the shoulder vicinity. Maybe the higher
factory installations are for comfort, so the shoulder belt won't always be
rubbing on your shoulder.
Where are our list safely engineers?
Let's hear from those who have installed seatbelts, including stories of
state regulations. As far as I know in Virginia, I don't have to have
seatbelts if the original vehicle did not come with seatbelts standard.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:14:48 -0600
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - New Subscriber II

>>>Brett L. Habben wrote:
>>> Howdy!
>>> Is it OK for an outsider to join this forum and participate in the
>>> conversation? My dad's Christmas visit rekindled my burnin' desire
>>> (dormant since the 70's) for a '56 Effie.
>
>Is that Dockbust'n Brett from the mercmail group?
>
Hi Alan,
Yep. Fords and Merc's kinda go together. I really like this digest
format. If Marcus wasn't so burned out I'd hit him up to implement
something similiar over at mercmail. What'cha doin' over here?
Brett
>
>>>Sure, you can join, but you have to sell all your GM products
>>>first!
>>>Seriously, welcome aboard! We're always glad to welcomenewcomers!
>> Don Neighbors
>> '54 F250 Named Grover
>
Hmm...So I supposed everytime someone asks;
"What motor should I stick in my Effie?"
"500 cubes of Caddy!!!!!"
(shrug) They're all the same to me under a couple of coats of Deltron.
Brett
PS. Grover!?

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:58:25 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - electrical wiring

I am currently planning the re-wiring of my '52. The truck did not have a fuse
box of any kind on it. I have looked at the aftermarket harness suppliers and
I haven't seen any wire kits with a fuse panel on them either. I am converting
my truck to 12 volt and would like to have some sort of protection, but havent
seen any kits that incorporate a fuse box in with their harness. My truck will
be all original and will not have a lot of power accesories such as power
windows, big stereo, etc. but I would like to add air cond. later on. I have
seen the panels you can buy and make your own harness, but I am no electrical
genius. What have you guys done and is there an all in one kit that I haven't
found? Any help please?

Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:08:06 -0600
From: "Dan L. Gable"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Dallas F100 fans

I live in Dallas and am looking for any local F100 fans. I want to find =
out about any clubs or swap meets. I there are any locals out there =
please let me know.

Thanks=20
Dan

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:24:34 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - electrical wiring

At 08:58 PM 2/26/99 -0500, PWPTRUCK1 aol.com wrote:
>I am currently planning the re-wiring of my '52. The truck did not have a fuse
>box of any kind on it. I have looked at the aftermarket harness suppliers and
>I haven't seen any wire kits with a fuse panel on them either. I am converting
>my truck to 12 volt and would like to have some sort of protection, but havent
>seen any kits that incorporate a fuse box in with their harness. My truck will
>be all original and will not have a lot of power accesories such as power
>windows, big stereo, etc. but I would like to add air cond. later on. I have
>seen the panels you can buy and make your own harness, but I am no electrical
>genius. What have you guys done and is there an all in one kit that I haven't
>found? Any help please?

I used a fuse panel from Painless Wiring with a mostly stock/reproduction
wiring harness for my '35. I made another harness wrapped with cloth tape
for extra wires like turn signals and electric cooling fan. The biggest
change for the stock harness was to get the brake light switch to feed back
to a turn signal unit in the cab. If you didn't want to figure that out, I
would guess that one of the generic harnesses would be fairly easy to
figure out. You would have to figure out how long to make the individual
wires and where to wrap them together and break them out of the harness,
but that requires mechanical genius as much as electrical.

Tom Teixeiramailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speedNESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto)http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:23:36 -0500
From: "mark gibson"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Volare Torsion Bar Bushings

On February 15th (digest V3 #47), Dave and Lori (56 F-100--429 EFIE
86 Jag 454 XJS) wrote:

"I don't know if the 77's are different from the 79's, but I recently
got a set of the torsion bar to frame bushings from my local Chrysler
dealer (Bill Luke in Phoenix). They are a bear to get on--use lots of
dish soap! I was also told that there are several after market
locales where you can get them but I just went to the source. By the
way, the first Chrysler dealer gave me the same song and dance you
got!"

I continue to struggle locating a source for these bushings, I contacted
Bill Luke Chrysler and after a long discussion with the parts person they
indicated they found the bushings. Once I received them, I found they had
sent the sway bar bushings. I have yet to find a source or even a part
number for these bushings. I have tried PST and they indicated they have
been unable to acquire them for several years now. Thus far every Chrysler
dealer contacted indicated that I would have to order a complete torsion bar
for ~$390 each, that is if they were still available. If I can at least get
a part number, I can be more effective in my search. Any assistance out
there would be much appreciated. And yes, the 77 through 81 Volares are the
same, as well as the Aspen and Diplomat.

Mark
56 Ford Panel Delivery



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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:23:23 EST
From: Anuffsaid aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Dallas F100 fans

check in Hemmings Motor
News for any club info. i found a club in austin that way.

d. charette
51 f100
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:29:50 +0000
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Seat Belts??

JRFiero aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/26/1999 12:53:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dustymtn earthlink.net writes:
> > Has anyone installed lap / shoulder belts in their 53-56 truck? How would
> you
> > attach the shoulder harness?
> Then, (Fred g 454) wrote
> >Above that in as straight a line as I could manage, I mounted the harness
> >coupler to the reinforcing bar that runs under the window. ... My
> >bucket seats already had the buckle part as an integral part of the seat
> construction.
>
> I've been pondering this myself, but for a '51. '51 has the gas tank in the....


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