pre61-list-digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 041



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - bed wood help
FTE Pre61 - Re: Admin: List split/reorg
Re: FTE Pre61 - bed wood help
RE: FTE Pre61 - Gas tank
FTE Pre61 - vote
Re: FTE Pre61 - Newbie question part II
Re: FTE Pre61 - spare tire carrier ID
FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Admin: List split/reorg
FTE Pre61 - Connecting rod numbers
RE: FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead
FTE Pre61 - flathead ID's
FTE Pre61 - rear ends
FTE Pre61 - a few questions....
FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre48 - alternator bracket for flathead
FTE Pre61 - Rod numbers
Re: FTE Pre61 - flathead ID's
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre48-list-digest I'm here too !
Re: FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:29:54 -0500
From: Abe Stauffer
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - bed wood help

JRFiero aol.com wrote:
I happened to catch that show, and I don't think it was very good.
1. They used a 48 Ford - correct me if I'm wrong, but 48s originally
had sheet metal over wood in the bed. Certainly you can put it the
later wood and metal strips, but that's why whoever did it before the
guys on Trucks didn't get the clearance right over the frame humps.
2. They spaced the bed up by putting wood across the bed crossmembers.
They didn't mention a thing about checking the rubber cushions 'tween
the frame and
the bed. With those wood spacers, the bed will be higher than intended,
and probably not even with the tailgate.
3. Aren't there little relief cutouts on the bottom of a couple boards
to clear the frame humps?
4. They kept saying 'stain' when they meant 'sealer.'
5. Their bolts just came right out!
Anyway, there's more to it than that. Such is television, I guess.

I agree! The anticipated tips never materialized. I learned nothing new,
except the fact that I am liking the show less and less each week! It
was nice to see a sharp '48 pretty much stock on the show, but i guess
they are catering to a different crowd.
And they didn't have much to say about the old Flathead V-8 did they!
Abe
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:40:57 -0600
From: lwblumjr juno.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Admin: List split/reorg

Ken,

I like the list just like it is but if it must be changed, why not
split the list '61-'72 and '73-'79? This option, to me, makes
much more sense. It groups all the "Classic" trucks
together and and the later, more common trucks together.
Of course, this is just my opinion, and it may not be a very
popular one. As I said before, I like the list just like it is.

Larry W. Blum, Jr.
lwblumjr juno.com
Pensacola, Fl.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:06:22 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - bed wood help

JRFiero aol.com wrote:

> I happened to catch that show, and I don't think it was very good.
>
> Anyway, there's more to it than that. Such is television, I guess.

All those shows are pretty much a 1/2 hour advertisement, and any
practical information actually conveyed is by accident as far as I can
see. I like the guys on Shadetree, in their little garage they got more
tools than God, a hydraulic lift, 300 boxes of clean rags, the best hand
cleaner in the world (never seen a greasy hand yet) and more stuff for
$19.95 than you can beat with a stick. The other show I get a kick out
of is Rod Rod TV, you know the fat fellow with the checker board floor
(spotless). Seems he's always putting some high dollar parts on a big
block chevy, probably trying to get it to run good (hopeless). I like to
watch them as I eat lunch while taking a break from working on my real
truck, helps the digestion to watch Bozo at work.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:23:55 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Gas tank

That's a good question and a consideration I hadn't thought of. Out here
they've got laws for about everything so it might be illegal. I do know
that a lot of the hot rod trucks are running fuel cells in various postions
on the bed. Mines in the front section behind the cab, has foam in it and
I'm sure is a lot safer than the side tank. I hope the weight change will
give me a little more traction.

DMO
55Ford

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> From: pre61-list ford-trucks.com[SMTP:pre61-list ford-trucks.com]
> Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:49 PM
> To: Posting
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Gas tank
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> I finally got my computer working again, what a headache!.
> I wanted to ask you:
> Is there any rule, law or something like that about having or keeping the
> gas tank inside the bed?
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:38:53 EST
From: My59f100 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - vote

Sorry Ken # 3
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:21:44 -0800
From: Karl Cunningham
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Newbie question part II

Chris --

It can be done, but it will take a LOT of work. If you pay someone to do
it, that translates to a LOT of money.

The front axle needs to have the right stance (distance between tires), the
wheel bolt pattern needs to match your rear wheels, and axle ratio to match
your rear axle. It ought to be heavy-duty enough to do what you want to
do. There is a big difference between wanting the 4x4 to get around in the
snow, and building a truck for jumping. The early '70's 3500# axles were
much heavier duty than the early '60's 3000# ones. Both take Dana 44
carriers and gears. The open-knuckle axles ('74 and on, I think) are a bit
less mess and trouble. Ford was almost the only maker that had left-side
drive so you may be better off sticking with an axle and transfer case out
of a Ford because more of the frame clearances you need will be there. If
you get a disk-brake axle, that's better for braking but you'll have to
change the master cylinder and run separate brake lines to the front.

These trucks originally had a separate transfer case connected to the
tranny with a short drive shaft, but they are pretty hard to find these
days and many people go with a newer automatic with a bolted-on transfer
case. It's less work too.

The basic process is:

1. Locate the parts: Front axle, transfer case or transfer case/tranny
combo, transfer case shifter linkage, front drive shaft, spacer blocks for
rear axle, other stuff such as shocks, u-bolts, etc.

2. Weld transfer case mounts to the frame where needed. Mount transfer
case or tranny/transfer case combo. If using the latter, connect/make
shifter linkage to tranny. Get proper speedometer drive gear for your axle
ratio and tire size, or get a speedo ratio changer gearbox. Get longer
speedometer cable to reach to transfer case. Exhaust system may have to be
redone.

3. Fit the front axle up and weld spring perches to it where needed,
making sure the drive-shaft angles to the transfer case will be right.
Weld shock mounts to the axle and frame where needed.

4. Modify steering linkage as needed to fit. Try to design the steering
linkage to avoid bump-steer (where the wheels turn toward one side or the
other when you hit a bump), which shows up a lot on 4wd conversions.

5. Put spacer blocks between rear springs and rear axle so that the rear
height matches the front. Parking brake cables and brake lines may have to
be lengthened.

5. Shorten and balance rear drive shaft. Shorten or lengthen front drive
shaft to fit.

6. Install front brake lines to axle. Be sure to size the front brake
cylinders for the front-axle braking force you need.

7. Cut hole in floor and install shifter linkage. Brackets will have to
be fabricated.

8. Test drive the truck and work the bugs out of it.

I've probably left out a step or two, and this is very brief. This job
represents a lot of hours of work, its a long, tedious, frustrating
process, but it's also a fun and rewarding experience. Check out your
library or bookstore for books on the subject.

Karl Cunningham
karlc jps.net
1960 F250 factory 4x4


>Can my 1960 F350 converted to 4 Wheel Drive?
>What years would the parts need to come from?
>Aprox. how much would this conversion cost?
>
>chris

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:35:25 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - spare tire carrier ID

In a message dated 2/7/1999 11:47:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
astauffe oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us writes:

> I found some numbers stamped on my first tire carrier. They don't look
> like Ford numbers but they might be. Can anyone help me, then I'll know
> what I have and be able to help anyone looking for same. The numbers
> are: TCAA
> 1444 A
> MC
Abe -
The 1444 part number is within what Ford calls a 'basic part number series'
for 'Spare Wheel Carrier.' The series runs from 1350-1499. My '1948-1956
Ford Truck Parts and Accessories' books show the 'spare wheel carrier channel'
in all those years to be group number 1443, and for '53 forward C model
(regular F-100 pickup) its part no. 2C 1443-A. I can't find a 1444 anywhere
in these books. There is a 'TCAA-1443-A' for a Y model, which is an F-350
conventional. The books cover F-1 through F-900. Perhaps your part is a later
year?
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:14:16 -0500
From: "Pat Hester"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead

Does anyone know a supplier for a bracket to install an alternator on a
flathead???
I am also wishing to install a disc brake conversion on my 47 pickup
(retaining the stock front suspension) Does anyone know of a good supplier
they have used? I am aware of a few, I am just not sure which one to deal
with. Thanks in advance.
Pat

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:13:05 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Admin: List split/reorg

At 08:40 AM 2/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>I like the list just like it is but if it must be changed, why not
>split the list '61-'72 and '73-'79? This option, to me, makes
>much more sense. It groups all the "Classic" trucks
>together and and the later, more common trucks together.
>Of course, this is just my opinion, and it may not be a very
>popular one. As I said before, I like the list just like it is.
>
>Larry W. Blum, Jr.
>lwblumjr juno.com
>Pensacola, Fl.
>

The 65-72 trucks are identical to the 73-79 trucks except the
body panels are slightly different. Mechanically, they are the
same trucks.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:00:14 EST
From: LONGSHOT7 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Connecting rod numbers

I took my 53 flathead apart and I forgot which way the numbers on the
connecting Rods face, that is: inside the engine. I know how they face
relative to the piston. Can anybody help? Passenger side or drivers side?

Thanks

Doug Schneider
California.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:29:12 -0600
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead

I got a basic kit from Engineered Components, Inc. Vernon,Ct.
860-872-7046. That included the brackets, attaching hardware, and bearing
adapters for my 55.
You can get everything as a complete kit also, but I was able to get
everything else locally a lot cheaper as I traded the old components off the
truck to one of
the guys at the parts store. ECI was very helpful and everything fit
just like they said it would.
Good Luck
Mike Morton


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> From:Pat Hester [SMTP:patk9 bconnex.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:14 PM
> To:pre61-list ford-trucks.com; pre48-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead
>
> Does anyone know a supplier for a bracket to install an alternator on a
> flathead???
> I am also wishing to install a disc brake conversion on my 47 pickup
> (retaining the stock front suspension) Does anyone know of a good
> supplier
> they have used? I am aware of a few, I am just not sure which one to deal
> with. Thanks in advance.
> Pat
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:49:29 -0500
From: "Sheldon Rier"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - flathead ID's

Hi All

are there serial #'s or other ID's on flatheads so you can determine year,
displacement, etc

Thanks
Sheldon

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:49:35 -0500
From: "Sheldon Rier"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - rear ends

Me Again

I hadn't thought about swapping rears in my 56 but had it out for its first
highway run today & it sure does rev 75 mph

what would stock gear ratio be for a 223 6cyl 56

rear ends from what models/years would have a higher final drive ratio while
fitting the stock spring perches & preferably be a couple inches wider to
help fill out the fenders a bit

Thanks for any Assistance
Sheldon

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:48:11 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - a few questions....

I am looking for some parts for my 52 F-3 and I am having trouble finding this
stuff. Hopefully one of you can point me in the right direction.
1) I need the carrier bearing felt grease seals
2) rear spring shackles for the F-3
3) drivers side exhaust manifold in good shape for the flathead

I am also looking to change out the rear axle. My split housing differential
has 4:86 gear ratio. I am not planning on pulling stumps, so I would like to
get one with around a 4:10. What year models can I use that will bolt directly
up to my springs without having to relocate the perches? The distance between
perches on the old axle is about 56 inches.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:59:06 -0500
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTE Pre48 - alternator bracket for flathead

At 2:14 PM -0500 2/10/99, Pat Hester wrote:
>Does anyone know a supplier for a bracket to install an alternator on a
>flathead???
>I am also wishing to install a disc brake conversion on my 47 pickup
>(retaining the stock front suspension) Does anyone know of a good supplier
>they have used? I am aware of a few, I am just not sure which one to deal
>with. Thanks in advance.
> Pat

I got my alternator bracket from Hot Rod & Custom Supply. I've also had
good success with ordering stuff from Speedway Motors and also Red's
Headers.

Tom Teixeiramailto:tjt world.std.com
1935 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:08:49 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rod numbers

Doug Schneider writes:
"I took my 53 flathead apart and I forgot which way the numbers on the
connecting Rods face, that is: inside the engine. I know how they face
relative to the piston. Can anybody help? Passenger side or drivers side?
Thanks
Doug Schneider"
Doug,
I believe on the 53 there is an indention mark on the top of the piston.
This mark goes to the front of the engine. If no mark, let me know and I
will go look in the barn, I have a flathead out there with the pan off.
Regards,
Roger Meier

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:20:18 -0500
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - flathead ID's

>Hi All
>
>are there serial #'s or other ID's on flatheads so you can determine year,
>displacement, etc
>
>Thanks
>Sheldon

There's a model number cast into the bell housing on the earlier engines.
I'm not sure where it is on the newer ones. Take a look at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.fullnet.net/mulligan/fmain.htm for some more information.

Tom Teixeiramailto:tjt world.std.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:46:52 EST
From: IRLobuck aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre48-list-digest I'm here too !

Hi guys,
Just joined the pre48 list. I been on the pre61, 61 to 79 list, and the perf
list, cause I'm building a 36 highboy stakebed PU streetrod. Thought I would
say hi and introduce myself. I'm a 53 yr old locksmith, and building my first
streetrod. I've been a gearhead for life, fast cars, motorcycles, etc.
besides my 36 I have a 57 F100 mostly stock driver, and I'm gathering parts
for a 51 Chevy fastback (future project) for my wife. You can see the 57 in
the FTE photo section. It's the blue one with white spoke wheels.
Later,
LOBUCK
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:42:54 EST
From: GILASAILR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - alternator bracket for flathead

Super Bell Axle Co. ask for Vincent. I have Super Stopper on a stock 47 axle
using the dreaded but common GM calipers (the only GM parts on my truck!)
They are helpful and manufacture excellent goods.
P.S. I am searching for 47 1/2 ton hood trim center strip in excellent cond if
you know of one or have one available.
Good Luck
Gary O.
47 1/2 t panel
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:15:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

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