pre61-list-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 016



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Re: A Carpenter Named Wood
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels for 1954 F250
Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color
RE: FTE Pre61 - Wheels for 1954 F250
Re: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number
FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 Rear End
Re: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END
FTE Pre61 - FTE T-shirts are ready!
FTE Pre61 - 39 rear axle pinion shaft
FTE Pre61 - 1957 F350
Re: FTE Pre61 - Cleveland Questions??
FTE Pre61 - clutch pressure plate bolts
FTE Pre61 - '57 engine numbers
FTE Pre61 - Famous Fords

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:37:50 -0500
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: A Carpenter Named Wood

Paul, I have to forgive you that last post, because in my home town
there once was a surgeon named Butcher!
Just to make sure my post has SOMETHING to do with Ford trucks, I have
a question: I'm tearing down a 239 Y-block, and Saturday when I tried to
pull the cam I discovered it most unwilling to come out of the block. It
turns freely with no slop that I can feel, so my guess is that the
bearings are in good shape, but 45 years of crud is holding the cam in
place. I need to get the cam out of the way so I can clean that block.
Any ideas?
- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:04:51 -0800
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels for 1954 F250

Bill,

I have a 55' F-250. I will take a look tonight for you. My truck also came
with the Moon caps. You can purchase them in Dennis Carpenters Ford Truck
Catalog for around $30 a piece.

Jason Piccola
55' F-250

Bill Casady wrote:

> Does anyone know what size and type wheel [ie number of lugs, etc.]
> were originally on the 1954 F250's? Did the original wheel have the
> "moon caps"? And, if so, where can I find 5 of them?
>
> Just Plain Bill :)
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:08:35 -0800
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color

What would be the engine color for a 55' F-250 engine and air filter?

Byron Rosbrugh wrote:

> Dan, you asked about engine colors, and I have a 1957 F350 and I would
> assume that the engine is either a 272 or a 292, especially since it looks
> like my 1956 F100 272. The entire truck is original, it has 71000 miles on
> it and I know that nothing is other than factory. The engine is yellow,
> the valve covers are a silver-gray color. The 1956 F100 colors are
> identical. There is a red air filter, not oil bath, on the 1957, the
> exterior color of the 1957 is Vermillion red, so I am not sure about the
> dry filter element. Don't know whether Ford changed from oil bath to dry
> in 1957, but perhaps someone else will know????Hope this helps. Byron
>
> ----------
> From: Dan L. Gable
> To: 'pre61-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine Color
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 8:12 AM
>
> Can someone help, I need to know what color the 272 engine out of my 1957
> F100 should be. Valve Covers Too? I am also looking for information
> (pictures) of the two tone red / white color scheme that will help me get
> the right panels red vs white.
>
> Please help if you can.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:52:59 -0600
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Wheels for 1954 F250

>
> Does anyone know what size and type wheel [ie number of lugs, etc.]
> were originally on the 1954 F250's? Did the original wheel have the
> "moon caps"? And, if so, where can I find 5 of them?
>
>
> Just Plain Bill :)
>
>
According to the operator's manual the 54 F250 had the following:

6.5x16
7x16
7.5x16
7x17
7.5x17

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:02:44 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number

In a message dated 1/17/1999 7:32:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mandgatz csrlink.net writes:

> I recently found a early 50's F-4 need to decode vin 98RTL 315334 can any
> one tell me what year this would be. Also how do you break it down?

The 9 in the first position doesn't necessarily mean its a 49. The same
coding, using a 9 in the first position, was used until September 1951, so it
could be a 49, 50, or 51. The sequential number seems pretty high for it to
be a 49. Someone, somewhere, knows where the break points in the sequential
numbers are for the various years, but I've never seen them. If you have the
production plate on the inside of the glovebox door, it has a production code
which includes a build date. 51 can be distinguished from 49 and 50 by a
larger rear window, and different dash. 51-52 had two separate round guages
in front of the steering wheel.
Seems we have enough older truck owners to come up with an approximate yearly
breakdown based on sequential numbers. I tried to get '51 owners to respond
once so I could try to nail down my build date, with little success.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:11:27 EST
From: MichellHC aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 Rear End

Dear Bob and Ryan,

If you only had one wheel off the ground when you rotated your pinion to check
the ratio, or if both wheels were off the ground and only one axel was
turning, you will have to double the number you got. Meaning you have close to
a 4: 1. When you check your ratio make sure that both axels are turning
equally the same distance. I do not know of any rear ends that were as tall as
1.95 to one, about the tallest I have everseen is 2.50 to 1. So more than
likely one side was not turning, or only turning partially. Check again with
one wheel firmly locked and double the figure you come up with. Another way to
check if you have the gears out is to count the teeth on the ring, and the
pinion, and divide the number of teeth on the ring gear by the number of teeth
on the pinion.

Michelle
Chelle's 56 Hauler
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:14:54 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END

In a message dated 1/17/1999 1:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RBethel55 aol.com writes:

> We
> have heard that the stock rear end is too low (We assumed low geared, high
> numerical ratio), and should be replaced. When we rotated the pinion shaft
> and measured tire rotation, we got about 1.95:1. Is this possible? We
> expected something around 4:1.
It's probably a 3.92, approximately double your figure. No, a 1.95 isn't
possible. Ratios available in 53 were 3.92, 4.09, 4.27, 4.86, 5.14, and 5.83,
although the high numbers probably weren't available in F-100s. You can drive
around for many years with a 3.92, but the cruising rpm will be a little high.
I had a 396/375 in a 56 with the stock 3.92 rear for 17 years and never had
any trouble with it.
I think there's a 9" replacement tech article on the website, or as a link.
Never mind that crack from our industrious leader.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:28:27 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - FTE T-shirts are ready!

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts t-shirts are ready! They are
available on the web shopping cart, if you don't have a
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or cannot use a secure server (some older versions of
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http://www.motorhaven.com/

We've tried to keep the price as reasonable as possible
given the small quantity of shirts we ordered from the
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$12.50 (XX and XXX are slightly more).

As is FTE's usual practice, we'll increase services offered
with increased revenue.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:31:00 -0600
From: "S. Ainey"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 39 rear axle pinion shaft

I've got a question. I'm rebuilding the rear axle in my 39 pickup. I
currently have it all torn apart except for the pinion shaft.
It was full of water for an undetermined number of years, and the
bearings are shot. Also, the pinion bearings are frozen. I've got all
new bearings and races to put in, but I don't know how to get the pinion
shaft out. It's obviously a press fit, but I don't know which way to
press it out. It might be possible to press it into the differential
housing. The shaft is 8 inches long and there's about 7 1/2 inches in
the housing to play with. The pilot bearing would also come out giving
me a little more room. To press it out the front would require some
fancy rigging of a press to push it from behind. Just wondering if
anyone out there has ever done one of these before. The rear axles were
pretty much the same from 35 through 47.

Steve
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:02:23 -0600
From: "Byron Rosbrugh"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1957 F350

Am needing some help concerning a battery box replacement; current one is
totally rusted apart. It is inside the engine compartment attached to the
firewall on the passenger side just above the right front fender. Does
anyone know where to find a replacement or have a diagram for building a
new one. Any suggestions on sources of infor or parts. Appreciate any
help!!!! Byron


B. E.Rosbrugh
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:28:00 -0800
From: "oldguy1"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Cleveland Questions??

i bought a pan from Ford Motorsport for my 351W with a front sump. i think
they also have one for the Cleveland
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From: Fred g 454
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Cleveland Questions??


>I've had good luck finding "performance" parts at Summit Racing. They have
>low prices and most brand names. they are on the web and have a big
>catalog.
>
>"David M. Ackerschott" wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of installing a mustang II front end in my 53 Ford
>> F100 pickup, Today i was told with my 351 Cleveland motor I will need To
>> get a Rearsump oil pan, the only place i can locate one is Milodon and
>> they want $400.00 for the pan only.... as anybody had this problem and
>> is there other way???? thanks dddavid
>>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:42:07 CST
From: "bond james bond"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - clutch pressure plate bolts

well its me again
along with my plethora of questions
my 60 f-100 came to me w/o a clutch
I now have the correct clutch, pressure plate
and throwout bearing but, no bolts to attach the
pressure plate to the flywheel the motor is a 223
is there a way to find out the exact size of these six bolts
as always your help is greatly appreciated
shandy

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:08:15 -0800
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '57 engine numbers

Dan Gable:
According to the Eickman Y-Block Book (p.28) ECZ-G is a 1957 312 cubic
inch. ECG on the block shows it is a 1956 272. Hope this helps and does
not confuse.
Abe
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:03:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Oldtrukman webtv.net (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Famous Fords

Spencers Mountain, with Henry Fonda and Maurine O'hara (sp?). Clay
Boy went on to become "book 'em Danno" on Hawaii Five-O. Yes I remember
the two different trucks as well, but I think that they were in two
different scenes. Can't remember for sure right now. Good flick though.
Other famous trucks I can remember. Did you see that beautiful red
"56 that chased Arnold around L.A. in The Last Action Hero? I sure hope
that was a model they crashed at the end.
I also remember seeing a red slant cab in "Gotchya" with Mathew
Modine. Couldn't tell for sure what year it was because it had a '56
grill in it.
I know I have seen some others but I can't remember the names of....


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