pre61-list-digest Monday, January 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 015



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Cleveland Questions??
RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 351C Oil Pan
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-54 F250 Wheels
FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END
FTE Pre61 - rear sump oil pan
FTE Pre61 - Rear sump oil pan for 302
FTE Pre61 - A carpenter named Wood
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-54 F250 Wheels
Re: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END
FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number
FTE Pre61 - Vin Number decoded.
FTE Pre61 - Seat hight 56 F100
Re: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE Pre61 - A carpenter named Wood

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:22:33 -0500
From: "JOHN D. & ELAINE JESSE"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Cleveland Questions??

David M. Ackerschott wrote:
>
> I am in the process of installing a mustang II front end in my 53 Ford
> F100 pickup, Today i was told with my 351 Cleveland motor I will need To
> get a Rearsump oil pan, the only place i can locate one is Milodon and
> they want $400.00 for the pan only.... as anybody had this problem and
> is there other way???? thanks dddavid
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> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.impulse.net/~idaho
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DAVID, I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH MY 460 PAN. I FOUND A PAN FROM A 1976
VAN. ENDED UP WITH A COST OF ONLY $100 DOLLARS. LOOK FOR A VAN THAT HAD
THAT ENGINE.
JACK
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:39:19 -0500
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 351C Oil Pan

The bolt is one of the main bearing bolts. It has a stud machined on it to
carry the oil pickup other wise the tube would dangle on the pump itself
which would lead to breakage at the pump. Garry

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> [mailto:owner-pre61-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Dan Lee
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:03 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 351C Oil Pan
>
>
> I am going to put an IFS in my '53. I have been collecting the parts
> needed. I have a rear sump oil pan and pickup tube from a 'M' block. I
> need a dipstick, which I plan to by from Ford. I read in this list
> something about a bolt which has to be replaced. Can anyone supply the
> details. Which bolt is this and what do I replace it with?
>
> Dan Lee
> '53 F100
> 351C-4V
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 11:05:07 PST
From: "jacobsen"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-54 F250 Wheels

Bill:

My 54 f250 had 8 bolt, 16" split rims. The bolt pattern is the standard =
8 bolt pattern. I have changed to regular rims. Chevy or Ford rims will =
fit on the front, but I have been told that the center hole on chevy rim=
s is smaller and will not fit on the rear of Ford trucks. Hard to get =
tire shops to work with split rims. The hub caps are the "Ford" moon typ=
e that pop into the inside of the ridge outside the lug bolts. newer cap=
s pop onto the outside.

Help from the rest of you. I am planning to install a 460 with a C6 in =
the above truck. Have any of you done this and what is the best way to =
go. I would also take suggestions on changing the rear axel as the thing=
has the original split differential with 486 gears.

"Jake"

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> Re: FTE Pre61 - Famous Trucks
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:04:01 EST
> From: "Bill Casady"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wheels for 1954 F250
>
> Does anyone know what size and type wheel [ie number of lugs, etc.] =

> were originally on the 1954 F250's? Did the original wheel have the =

> "moon caps"? And, if so, where can I find 5 of them?
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> Just Plain Bill :)
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:18:40 EST
> From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Famous Trucks
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> Hey Abe, My '52 F-3 flatbed has Sanford and Son spray painted on the =
doors
> when I went to pick it up to bring it home. It fit right in with the =
rusty
> body and dents and stuff. I don't believe it was the truck on the show,=
just
> someone put it on my truck to be funny.
> Paul
> '52 F-3
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:32:06 EST
> From: JQUOVA aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Famous Trucks
>
> Saw a great old Twilight Zone episode (don't remember the name or numbe=
r)
> about gold thieves who put themselves to sleep for 100 years. The truc=
k that
> they keep with them is a 48-51 panel, which one of the guys ends up dri=
ving
> over a cliff (what a shame)
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:28:39 -0800
> From: "Kenneth A. Craig"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Famous Trucks
>
> Check out the movie 'Heart Like A Wheel' They used a '60 4x4 Crew Cab
> through out the movie. I noticed because I am rebuilding a '59 4x4, =
but
> mine has a '60 hood.
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> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:22:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Stokes
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - wood running boards
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> I too might be interested in a pattern for wooden running boards?
>
> Dave 56
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:07:50 EST
From: RBethel55 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END

My son and I are upgrading a F-100 with a Chevy 350 engine/350 trans, etc. We
have heard that the stock rear end is too low (We assumed low geared, high
numerical ratio), and should be replaced. When we rotated the pinion shaft
and measured tire rotation, we got about 1.95:1. Is this possible? We
expected something around 4:1. The rear housing appears stock, but if we
measured correctly, the gears are probably not. ID numbers on rear end housing
are 18419 on rear top right, and US PAT 2018188 on rear bottom left. We are
on a tight budget, and would like to use what we have if possible. Will this
work, and is the rear end strong enough? A Ford 9" may be an option, if
necessary What car/truck year & model has the closest flange-to-flange
distance to original, desired ratio, availability, same bolt pattern as stock
front, and is not too difficult to install? Any help appreciated.
Bob & Ryan
53 F-100
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:21:51 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - rear sump oil pan

Dan,
The bolt you are referring to is actually a stud which replaces one
of the main bearing bolts. It allows you to secure the oil pump pick-up
tube which now runs all the way to the rear of eng. When you install
tube you'll see which one it is. Dealer should have or be able to get
you stud and nut. Noticed in your signature you have a 351C -4V. You
might want to consider replacing heads with 2V heads(351/400M heads will
also fit) if you're going to drive it on street. 4V heads have such big
ports and valves you loose a lot of bottom end torque and throttle
response. If you do this you'll also have to change int manifolds as
ports are different.(351/400M manifold will not fit,it's wider) Sounds
like a hassle, but it's worth it if you're going to drive it a lot.
Trust me I found out the hard way.

John Harrison

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:52:40 -0700
From: Randall Colgan
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear sump oil pan for 302

I'm about to drop a front sump 302 into my '52 that has the Mustang II
cross member and rack and pinion. I haven't welded in mounts yet and am
wondering if you have to change pans to a rear sump pan. I can get the
carb flange of the intake to sit level, but that only gives me 1/2"
clearance between the bottom of the pan and the cross member. The
clearance around the tranny is also a little tight. If it is recommended
that I change to a rear sump pan where do I put the new dip stick? I
assume I plug off the old one on the timing chain cover.

Any help would be appreciated.


Randall Colgan
52 Ford F-1 pickup
http://www.ford-trucks.com/trueblue
St. Albert, Alberta, Canada
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:00:18 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - A carpenter named Wood

Just off normal subject for one time, Don Neighbors knows a carpenter
named Wood. In recent years I have met a bank pres named "Moneymaker"
(honest, thats his last name), 2 ceramic tile installers, one named
"Skillman", one "Craft", a carpenter named "Carpenter", etc. A cook
named "Baker".

I wonder how many people subconsciousally choose a profession based on
their last name!

Forgive me for this post.
Paul G.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:18:43 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-54 F250 Wheels

Folks,

Don't respond to the entire digest. Just respond to the entry
you're replying to. This message I just replied to has an
entire digest sent back to hundreds of other users.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

At 11:05 AM 1/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Bill:
>
>My 54 f250 had 8 bolt, 16" split rims. The bolt pattern is the standard 8
>bolt pattern. I have changed to regular rims. Chevy or Ford rims will fit
>on the front, but I have been told that the center hole on chevy rims is
>smaller and will not fit on the rear of Ford trucks. Hard to get tire shops
>to work with split rims. The hub caps are the "Ford" moon type that pop
>into the inside of the ridge outside the lug bolts. newer caps pop onto the
>outside.
>
>Help from the rest of you. I am planning to install a 460 with a C6 in the
>above truck. Have any of you done this and what is the best way to go. I
>would also take suggestions on changing the rear axel as the thing has the
>original split differential with 486 gears.
>
>"Jake"

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:19:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 53 F-100 REAR END

At 01:07 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>My son and I are upgrading a F-100 with a Chevy 350 engine/350 trans, etc. We

You might want to take this to a Chevy list.

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:23:21 -0500
From: "Barbara A. Gatz"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number

I recently found a early 50's F-4 need to decode vin 98RTL 315334 can any
one tell me what year this would be. Also how do you break it down?
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:52:48 -0400
From: "Miguel..."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Vin Number decoded.

Okay, here we go...

This truck should be a 1949 F-4
The first digit in the serial number is a 9 (nine) for the year 1949.
The second and third digits are 8R, which indicates an 8-cylinder engine.
The fourth digit is a T, it indicates the model line, in this case a 1 ton
truck.
The last six digits indicate the production sequence.

More information can be obtained using the rating plate which is attached to
the glove box door.

Miguel...

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Para: pre61-list fordtrucks.com
Fecha: Sunday 17 de January de 1999 8:32 PM
Asunto: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number


>I recently found a early 50's F-4 need to decode vin 98RTL 315334 can any
>one tell me what year this would be. Also how do you break it down?
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:10:26 +0800
From: "Tony Jackson"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seat hight 56 F100

Help can any one tell me the original hight from the floor to the top of the
seat (bit you sit on) and then the hight of the center of the steering wheel
to the seat. My 56 F100 din't have these when I got it.
Tanks TJ

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:49:38 -0700
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number

Barbara-- From what I can ascertain from the "Red Book", you have a 1949 F4
1 Ton truck with a 239 Flathead 8 engine. Looks like the it was the 315334
truck made, however my book does not tell me how many F4's were made--
however only 104000 F1's were made with about 12000 F2's and 21000 F3's-- I
suspect that the first 2 digits, in your case 31 mean something, however the
Red Book does not distinguish that. Also, cannot find where the L comes
from in the VIN-- hence I hope that this helps, however, I do not believe
that I have answered all of the question. Did the best I could with what I
had to work with!~!


Joebob
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From: Barbara A. Gatz
To: pre61-list fordtrucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 5:29 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Decode Vin Number


>I recently found a early 50's F-4 need to decode vin 98RTL 315334 can any
>one tell me what year this would be. Also how do you break it down?
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. Events guide updated
2. Many new links added
3. Pictorial updated and redesigned. Navigation should be much quicker.
4. Awards page updated. We're received 3 new awards in the last 2
weeks.

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:20:07 -0000
From: "Ray Cardogno"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - A carpenter named Wood

I dunno,
I. Dufus
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On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:00:18 Paul wrote:
>Just off normal subject for one time, Don Neighbors knows a carpenter
>named Wood. In recent years I have met a bank pres named "Moneymaker"
>(honest, thats his last name), 2 ceramic tile installers, one named
>"Skillman", one "Craft", a carpenter named "Carpenter", etc. A cook....


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