pre61-list-digest Sunday, May 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 132



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - kingpins
FTE Pre61 - good source site
RE:Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering adjustment & brakes
Re: Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering adjustment & brakes
RE: FTE Pre61 - kingpins
FTE Pre61 - 55 cross members
FTE Pre61 - Re: 16" Rims
FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98
Re: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98
RE: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98
RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 16" Rims
Re: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98
Re: FTE Pre61 - looking for truck

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 08:45:24 -0400
From: "Sheldon Rier"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - kingpins

Hi All

our 55 F-100 came with 2 stock front axles

the one is a well used one & the other one has been blasted/painted with new
king pins & bushings installed by the previous owner

he pointed it out when we picked it up the the rebushed axle has play at the
king pins and he is not sure why - you can feel it at one end & see it at
the other end

as I understand it you press the bushings in & then ream them out to proper
size - short of using the wrong size reamer how could someone screw this
up??

Sheldon Rier
Canada


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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:30:20 -0400
From: "Gayland Crutchfield"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - good source site

....for those who don't know....here's a good info site.
Crutch (59 F-100, 79 F-150)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://truckworld.com/index.html

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:10:44 -0500
From: "Steve Hansen"
Subject: RE:Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering adjustment & brakes

Also keep in mind the king pins and the springs where theu bolt to the
frame.. Wear = play

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:46:12 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering adjustment & brakes

Sheldon,
I came across a man at a swap meet in Dallas, Texas last summer that had a
front axle he took to some "genious" to get the bushings reamed. The
machinist ground the kingpins down to fit the unreamed bushings! This in turn
made the pin's diameter smaller than the hole in the axle it slides through,
and flopped around all over the place. This man was so ticked at the machine
shop for doing this, he takes the axle and stuff to every swap meet he has a
booth at, and gives the shop (free?) advertising on their work. Thought that
was kinda funny, not to mention stupid. Just a bit of humor while we are on
this subject.

Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:15:21 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - kingpins

>
> he pointed it out when we picked it up the the rebushed axle has
> play at the
> king pins and he is not sure why - you can feel it at one end & see it at
> the other end
>
> as I understand it you press the bushings in & then ream them out
> to proper
> size - short of using the wrong size reamer how could someone screw this
> up??
>
> Sheldon Rier
> Canada


You think it should be an easy task, There are good machinists and
then there are bad, I seen alot of bad ones.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:03:09 -0400
From: "Sheldon Rier"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 55 cross members

Hi All

went to put the motor/tranny in our 55 f-100 & ran into a problem

there are 3 mounts - a single front one in the center just behind/below the
rad crossmember and 2 tranny mounts that fit in the "V" of the tranny
crossmember

the motor & tranny going in are a 272 with 3 on the tree which I believe the
truck came with originally

if you measure along an imaginary line parallel to the crank the front to
back distance between the motor mounts on the 272/3 spd is approx. 30" - if
you measure the frame the same way the distance is approx 35" (as is my old
215 6cyl/3spd)- other than that the mounts look identical

did they use different crossmember locations for the 6 & 8cyl models or are
there spacer brackets or something I don't know about

I could mount the tranny properly & use bungee cords & duct tape for he
front mount but may not be durable enough

any advice appreciated

Thanks!!!
Sheldon

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 16" Rims

I believe 16" Rims were standard on a '53 F100. Mine
came without the original rims. I replaced them with
15" Alloys.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351c-4V
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Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:12:20 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98

Guys,

Well, its happened again. Just when my cab mounts came in from John's
F-Funhundreds and were being installed, another problem. The rear of the 5.0
on the Lincoln Town Car front clip will not let the cab come forward enough
to let the cab sit on its original mounts. I knew this might be a problem
from the original measurements taken before cutting the 57 frame off. I moved
the front axle forward 1" to make this better and fill the front wheel wells
better, but it still is not going to work.

What are my options:
1.) Move the motor forward about 2" with some more mounts? Problem --
the double dip oil pan will require the motor to be raised over the cross
member accordingly. This will also require the rear end angle to be
reconfigured again.
2.) Beat (or somehow fabricate) the firewall to allow for the cab to
move forward? This will still keep the motor very far back in the engine bay
- -- 1/2" from the firewall and 1' from the radiator!
3.) Start over with a new frame? Maybe I could get the late model
frame that I was after to begin with.
4.) Punt?! (meaning: give this charade up -- how many feel this way?)
5.) None of the above????

Anything will be taken to heart. I really don't want problems this close to
Pigeon Forge (not that Soapy is going or anything). Another word of warning
to those beginning the "restofying" or restoring process -- don't deviate
from the established processes laid out by those on this site or those being
paid to write articles for the classic trucking magazines. They've been there
and know best, no matter how much you think you'll save doing it your way
(remember $800 for the whole Lincoln?)!

Glenn in TN
Soapy the 57 F-100 still on life support
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:45:26 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98

Glenn, one remedy you may try is to look at some aftermarket firewalls
(Sac Ford has them). You could also try to use an electric fan motor setup
for the radiator and hard pipe the water lines to the engine with a short
flex hose on the ends. The big diesel trucks' water lines are set up like
this. I don't see whey it wouldn't work on something else. Just an idea.

Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:03:57 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98

>
> 2.) Beat (or somehow fabricate) the firewall to allow for
> the cab to
> move forward? This will still keep the motor very far back in the
> engine bay
> -- 1/2" from the firewall and 1' from the radiator!
>
Glen,

>From the options you listed, this is the one I'll pick. When I
did my 61, with the 72 360, alot of time was spent thinking. My
wife wondered why nothing was getting done except that we were
always out of beer. I wouldn't beat the firewall, cut out the
firewall, so everything fits, make a plate to cover the hole
weld in place. That sounds so easy.
My 61 had problems with the trans hitting the floor, I cut it
out and found a piece from a 58 Ch##y, welded it in a little
body work, you couldn't tell.

Good Luck
Rich
54 F100
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:03:55 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 16" Rims

> -----Original Message-----
> I believe 16" Rims were standard on a '53 F100. Mine
> came without the original rims. I replaced them with
> 15" Alloys.
>
> Dan Lee
> '53 F100
> 351c-4V


Thanks to all for the feedback, however Let me reword the question.
the 16" rims were standard on the 53-55 with 15" as an option. The
problem using those rims are the width. We need to find at least
a 6" width and would prefer 7". We are looking for a later model
truck rim that is 16x6 or 16x7 any ideas?

Thanks

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 22:45:34 EDT
From: Jeffben56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Excedrine problem #98

I put a 390/C6 in my '56. Even with the engine crossmember from SacVintage, I
had to play around quite a bit. I've got reversed eye monoleafs, and with the
axle so high in the chassis, the crossmember sat on it with the weight of the
engine. Then, the trans pan was resting on the (stock) trans crossmember. I
ended up moving the engine forward and up two inches from the frame. Now my
axle can move (Ha!) and the trans clears by about 1/2 inch. Close, but no
contact. Have you checked into different oil pans for your 302? There's a lot
of them out there. Just don't give up yet! And by the way... "65 Tbird, $500.
Pulled engine trans and 9 inch, sold hulk for $350.! 9 inch fit PERFECTLY!
Even the Bird's driveshaft worked , but a bit too short.
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:47:26 -0500
From: Steven Ainey
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - looking for truck

I know of a guy here in Pensacola FL with a 48 F1 for sale. It's got a
50' Merc flathead in it. It's had some modifications, but is pretty
much stock. The box is in rough shape, but overall it's not real bad.
It's worth the
$1200 he's asking. The engine runs and the truck is drivable, but needs
TLC.

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