pre61-list-digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 120



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks
Re: FTE Pre61 - lower valence for a 56
FTE Pre61 - Pigeon Forge
FTE Pre61 - Kind of a Classified Ad, and Questions
FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4
FTE Pre61 - 300-6's
FTE Pre61 - One for us
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Your truck photo wanted for the Pigeon Forge show
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4
FTE Pre61 - 53/56 Valance for D Stoker
FTE Pre61 - Pictures to Web site
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks
FTE Pre61 - 59 F100 hood trim (color??)
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:51:56 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks

In a message dated 4/24/1999 8:39:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
astauffe oak.kcsd.k12.pa.us writes:

> If you don't like rain and cold here is the solution for truck lovers.
> Go to the Carlisle Truck Nationals June 25,26,27. There is only truck
> stuff there which means you don't need to wade through car stuff. It is
> smaller which means closer parking. A lot of the nationally known truck
> parts vendors are there which means you can look at the items before you
> buy and check the quality and you don't have to pay for shipping!
Its been my experience the past couple years that there are more Ford
Trucks at the Ford Nationals at Carlisle than at the Truck Nationals. The
Trucks show is a big gathering for GMC and Che*y trucks, as well as mini
trucks.
There was one guy from Nebraska at Carlisle this weekend with a bunch
of early '50s truck parts, in surprisingly good shape. But he was grumpy and
wanted too much money for anything I was interested in. He was way back by
the turnpike, an area where I've found good stuff in the past.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:13:54 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - lower valence for a 56

The only difference that I know is the space in which the parking lights sit
on top of the gravel pan. The parking lights are different in size. there is
an indentation on each gravel pan where the parking lights sit. I believe the
56 parking light is a little wider.


Meat
56
Small-window
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:28:26 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Pigeon Forge

Dennis Moody wrote:

"I will be making my first venture to the F-100 super-nationals in May,
so I have several silly questions. First, where exactly is the event
located?"
- It's at the Grand Hotel
"Is it on the main strip?"
- Yes.
"Second, are there any internet resources that have any
information/details of the event?"
- You can check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us or call Pat Ford
Productions at: 704-872-7327
"Third, what should I expect to see? Is it basically a big truck
show?"
- HUGE truck show is more like it. There were over 800 trucks
registered last year.
"Is there a swap meet?"
- Yes.
"Will there be vendors from truck part suppliers?"
- Yes. Lots of them!
"Demonstrations?"
- Yes. Most of the demos I saw last year were for the usual car care
products, welding rod, etc.
"Are most of the vehicles in restored form, or are there trucks in all
conditions for viewing and for sale?"
- They are in all levels of restoration, or lack thereof. My truck will
be there, and it is a long way from being restored! Yes there is a sale
lot. Somebody had even sneaked (snuck?) a custom T-bird in last year to
sell!
"Lots of questions, see ya in Tennessee"
- After all that, I'd better!!!!

A reminder, y'all, that today (April 25) is the last day to let me know
if you'd like space at the table at Alan Jackson's Show Car Cafe for
breakfast on Saturday. It will be at 9:00, and I have right at 40 people
signed up. The buffet is $8.00, and that includes the price of a
beverage. Don't forget that FTE has reserved a block of rooms at the
Days Inn at a discount rate!


- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:44:06 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Kind of a Classified Ad, and Questions

I met a fellow yesterday while getting parts for Grover that told me he
has a couple of things for sale, so I figured this would be a good place
to help him out.
He has a 460 with a C6, and I believe he's asking $400 for the combo
deal. He also has a '63 cab sitting on a '77 frame that I think he wants
to find a home for. If any of you all are interested, he can be found in
Lexington, Kentucky, at Kwik-Set fasteners. Here's the info:

Davy Morris
252-7518

By the way, Kwik-Set is a great place to get nuts, bolts, screw and
tools. (Shameless plug)
Now a question or two: I may have found a Dana 60(?) axle to replace
the original unit in my '54 F250. It comes out of a '77 Camper Special.
What do I need to know about this axle when I look at it, other than the
fact the spring mounts, etc., will have to be moved? What gear ratios
were common for this axle?


Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:04:01 -0700
From: Mel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4

Ken, why would you want to show one (1) Ch**y Truck with a 302/C-4 set
up??? It would be lost in the line of 1000's of Fords with Ch**y engine
swaps dating back to the beginning of Hot Rodding. Maybe you should
wait until another Ch**y owner decides to take the big step.:)
Mel
53 f100/351c
34 Ford 5w/289
34 Ford Roadster/350
70 El Camino/350 (Never will see a 302 under it's hood)
1995 HD FXSTC
93 Ski Brendella/351c (Pulled 8 skiers out on singles) Great engine
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:30:58 EDT
From: Crnkyolmn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 300-6's

In a message dated 4/25/99 4:34:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:

>
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:01:59 -0500
> From: "Brett L. Habben"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - 300 6's
>
> Jefe,
> The 300 has me interested also. Which 240-300's have rear sumps? Am I
> reading right that the later 300's have split exhaust manifolds (real
> duals)? Would the Offie dual port be any better or worse than the
> clifford? Could a carb'ed setup get the gas mileage of the injected
> setup? What manual OD trans are best for a pickup?
> Thanks for any input,
> Brett

Hello Brett: I dunno for sure all the trucks that use the rear sump pan but
one I'm sure of is a '83 1/2 ton, I pulled one of these out and put in my '79
3/4 ton which originally had a front sump. Stay around the early to mid
'80's and hit the junkyards I suppose. As to the exhaust manifolds, my '88
had the dual manifolds (two separate cast iron pieces, in stock form they
were piped up with a "Y" pipe to go into one back to the cat.) and all the
late fuel injected 300s I've looked at on up into the '90s had the same
manifolds....GOOD PIECES. To use them with my 1-Bbl. intake on the '79
required about 3 minutes of filing to knock off one small bump, think it was
on the rear one but not sure(too long ago). Didn't hurt the exhaust
manifold, put about 50,000 hard miles on it afterward. There doesn't seem to
be any interference with after-market intakes, Offy or Clifford. I really
like the Offy dual port better than a Clifford for a street motor but, you
really NEED manifold heat....even in Texas summertimes so that's why I
suggested the Clifford water heated model, it's a bolt on and hose up deal.
I do intend to try and use the Offy dual port on the next motor I use and rig
up either an exhaust manifold heat source or build a water heat box on the
manifold bottom section. The smaller runners in the dual port will keep your
velocity up in the runners at part throttle and works much better for street
usage. As to fuel economy, ain't no way to get as good fuel mileage with a
carburetor as you can with the injection if it's dialed in and working
properly BUT, how many gallons of gas will the money buy that you will pay
for the necessary hookup on the computer? I'm not smart enough to do it
myself (or at least I haven't taken time to understand the 'puters) and
buying the pieces plus hiring the techno expertise will buy lotsa tankfuls.
You mentioned manual OD's, only way to go here is the late '80s-early '90s
Ford 5-speeds. Depending on whether you need the 1/2 ton highway model or
the granny-gear 3/4-1 ton working kind, just stay with those..you can't go
wrong. Sorry, didn't mean to write a book, guess brevity isn't my strong
suit. Jefe

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:37:08 EDT
From: Crnkyolmn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - One for us

In a message dated 4/25/99 4:34:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:

>
> Guys,
>
> I hope you won't deem this off topic Ken, but I was at a car show in Heber
> Springs, Ark today and saw a c****y truck (about a '40 model -- I don't
keep
>
> up with them!) with a 302 and C4 in it! If I would have found the owner I
> would have kissed him (NOT!)
>
Not all that uncommon back in the '70s before the SBC became the "standard"
hot rod engine; the 302 is narrower and it allows the steering gear/column to
live in it's original place in the narrow confines of late '30s-early '40s
Chevy pickups. Jefe
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:51:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4

At 09:04 AM 4/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ken, why would you want to show one (1) Ch**y Truck with a 302/C-4 set
>up???

Just to get po'd.

>It would be lost in the line of 1000's of Fords with Ch**y engine
>swaps dating back to the beginning of Hot Rodding.

Nope, it will fit in will all those 9 inch rear ends the 1000's
of Chevy owners have installed.

>Maybe you should
>wait until another Ch**y owner decides to take the big step.:)
>Mel

You're right, probably won't happen. People who like Ford
engines have more class than using a Chevy chassis.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:09:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Your truck photo wanted for the Pigeon Forge show

As we did last year, Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be at
the F100 Supernationals in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee from
May 13-16. We plan to have a board featuring trucks
from our members on display.

If you would like your truck featured, send a photograph
to:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
PO Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

You must send a photograph. Emailed scans will not be
accepted for the board. Please send them ASAP.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:25:28 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Ch**y P/U 302/C-4

Not class but more mechanical ability!

meat
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:41:20 -0700
From: "The Clark's"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53/56 Valance for D Stoker

Yes the two valances are different. the 53 park lights and 56 park lights
are not the same and the mounts for the park lights are different. The
shape of the valance is the same except for this one difference.

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:00:03 -0700
From: "The Clark's"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Pictures to Web site

I have a '56 panel that I just painted. It has a289/C4 and a torsion bar IFS
. Who should I send it to , does outlook express work for your server and
what other things do I need to send you this picture.? Format?

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:29:25 EDT
From: Fordf3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks

Have you ever been to truck show in Macungie Pa
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:26:46 -0400
From: "Gayland Crutchfield"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 59 F100 hood trim (color??)

Does anyone know if the hood side trim had any paint on it?
Blue or red in the Ford emblem?
Thanks!
Crutch 59F-100 Atlanta

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:56:43 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle, Ford Trucks

In a message dated 4/25/1999 6:36:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Fordf3 ....


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