pre61-list-digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 117



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - engine paint colors
RE: FTE Pre61 - engine paint colors
Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question
RE: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question
Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question
Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring
FTE Pre61 - site with Ford pics
FTE Pre61 - Rear sump oil pans
FTE Pre61 - Re: seats
FTE Pre61 - Carlisle
FTE Pre61 - Carlisle
Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question
FTE Pre61 - F-3 rear axle swap
FTE Pre61 - Re: Sleeper cabs

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 03:57:55 -0600
From: "oxleygf msn.com"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - engine paint colors

Hi guys, I was on the 61 to 79 list trying to find out the original engine
paint color for a 64 f100 6 cyc 223. Most of the guys on that list are
more into the big v8's and don't seem to know about 6 cyc restoration
issues. Others guessed at the orange/red, medium blue, yellow, or no paint
on the original at all.

I know this list is not supposed to include the 64 year, but it appears to
me after reading many of the post that there are more restorers here, and
therefore, maybe someone can help me with the "right" engine color on a 64
f100 223 6 . thanks, Bill



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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:31:50 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - engine paint colors

>
> I know this list is not supposed to include the 64 year, but it appears to
> me after reading many of the post that there are more restorers here, and
> therefore, maybe someone can help me with the "right" engine color on a 64
> f100 223 6 . thanks, Bill

Bill,

I did alot of digging, to find the correct color of my 54 223, At least back
in
the fifty's, the color changed every year. I found a chip of paint, left on
the
block, covered in sludge, that I matched. If its not the original motor the
only way would be to find someone who has one, some big car shows coming up.
Or possible junk yards? Try giving Joe Kummer a call at 612(might have
changed
to 651)437-6787, Joe's auto sales. He has alot of old ford trucks.

Good Luck,

Rich
54F100

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:53:50 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question

Hi Gang,
I'm in a similar spot here. My '56 has a 3.92, and my friends tell me to put
in a Ford 8", (less unsprung weight than a 9") My current rear end is the
60-1/4" inside to inside of the backing plates. I would like one up to a
couple inches narrower? In the 3.35 range... Also would the drive shaft still
work with the new rear end? Does any one have a suggestion.

Fred
Hotrod '56

George Miller wrote:

> What do you need in the way of flange to flange measurement and how much
> power will it be handling?
>
> George Miller
>
> Bo Widerberg wrote:
> >
> > Hello, All:
> I've heard a 1968-1972 F100-F150 rearend will
> fit perfectly. I've also seen F100s on the Web with 9" Lincoln
> rearends (but don't know which year Lincoln).
> >
> > If I were to take a list of potential rearends with me down to the
> > local auto wrecker, what should I look for? What will fit?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:22:47 -0700
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question

Fred,

I'm just a hot rod rookie, but that's the first I've heard of anyone taking
out a 9" to put in a 8". My understanding is that the 9" is so much
stronger and can handle much more horspower hopup than the 8". Is there
that much difference in the weight that it would be worth the strength loss
?

I know with my 429 everybody I talked to told me to pull my 8" and replace
it with the 9". I did that and have been very happy(cross your fingers
here) with the reliablility, for those very few times my foot slips and
pushes the throttle through the floorboards.

Dennis
55F100
> ----------
> From: Fred g 454[SMTP:fredg454 concentric.net]
> Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:53 AM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question
>
> Hi Gang,
> I'm in a similar spot here. My '56 has a 3.92, and my friends tell me to
> put
> in a Ford 8", (less unsprung weight than a 9") My current rear end is the
> 60-1/4" inside to inside of the backing plates. I would like one up to a
> couple inches narrower? In the 3.35 range... Also would the drive shaft
> still
> work with the new rear end? Does any one have a suggestion.
>
> Fred
> Hotrod '56
>
> George Miller wrote:
>
> > What do you need in the way of flange to flange measurement and how much
> > power will it be handling?
> >
> > George Miller
> >
> > Bo Widerberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, All:
> > I've heard a 1968-1972 F100-F150 rearend will
> > fit perfectly. I've also seen F100s on the Web with 9" Lincoln
> > rearends (but don't know which year Lincoln).
> > >
> > > If I were to take a list of potential rearends with me down to the
> > > local auto wrecker, what should I look for? What will fit?
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:48:56 -0400
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question

Dennis'
My '56 has the stock rear end, I think the 9" didn't start until '57.
Fred


"O'Connell, Dennis M" wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I'm just a hot rod rookie, but that's the first I've heard of anyone taking
> out a 9" to put in a 8". My understanding is that the 9" is so much
> stronger and can handle much more horspower hopup than the 8". Is there
> that much difference in the weight that it would be worth the strength loss
> ?
>
> Dennis
> 55F100
>
> >
> > Hi Gang,
> > I'm in a similar spot here. My '56 has a 3.92, and my friends tell me to
> > put
> > in a Ford 8", (less unsprung weight than a 9") My current rear end is the
> > 60-1/4" inside to inside of the backing plates. I would like one up to a
> > couple inches narrower? In the 3.35 range... Also would the drive shaft
> > still

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:55:12 -0400
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring

Rich Garber wrote:
>
> >
> > Worked late tonight and haven't dived under my dash, but I did
> > try to start my truck; "no fire." Easy answer is that a wire's
> > come loose or broken, and I plan go under the dash this weekend.
> > I Studied my shop manual tonight but can't find a wiring diagram
> > for the ignition switch.

Being lazy, I'd pull of the the coil wire from the cap, and prop it
near a ground where I can see it. Then pop off the distributor cap, turn
on the ignition, put a screwdriver against the point set and ground it
out by wiggling the screwdriver between the points lead and ground.. A
live circuit fires the coil and verifies the circuit. If it doesn't
fire, look to the dash stuff, if it does, hand rotate the engine 'till
the points close, and open them carefully with the screwdriver, looking
for a spark. If no spark, put the blade of the screwdriver from the
moving to fixed contact and wiggle it a bit to simulate the points
opening. If the coil fires now, it's bad points.
You can do all this with meters and test lights, but everybody's got
a screwdriver, and if it quits some day in a street, you got to work
quick before a Chevy lover comes by. By the way, a book of paper matches
is a great addition to your glove box, the striker pad is just fine
enough to clean a bit of oxide off the points, and the flap is almost
perfect for a feeler gauge.

47Fred
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:42:36 -0400
From: "Gayland Crutchfield"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - site with Ford pics

...perhaps known by everyone but this newbie, but I thought this
site was kinda neat.....Crutch 59 F-100

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ford.internetrader.com/ITI_Publications/Ford.MAG/_INDEX/INDEX.HTML

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:29:42 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear sump oil pans

Here is what I know (or think I know anyway) about oil pans on 302 Ford
engines. All Ford pickups from at least 1982 on (maybe as early as 74)
have a rear sump pan. The Bronco's used a rear sump pan that sat even
lower on the cross member, it was nearly a double sump pan. The body of
the oil pump for all these 302's is the same (not real sure about this but
believe it to be true), but the pickup tube for the pickups is different
and the one for the bronco is still different. The 302 engine with a late
pickup pan will fit nicely over the M2 suspension, but because of the oil
pump being in the front of the engine, the pan must be a little taller and
the engine will set about 1 inch higher than you could get it if you had a
rear pump engine like the flatheads and the chevvy engines are. In most
cases, the limitation in height is due to the pump (and pan covering it)
and use of the Bronco pan will not allow the engine to set any lower. The
crossmember and M2 R&P steering (even the power steering version) will fit
well in the space available where the sump is not. The steering column
will miss the oil filter, but will be very close to the exhaust manifold
and you may not be able to get headers in there without adding another u
joint in the steering column. Makes a pretty nice setup IMO.
Regards, and good luck,
Roger Meier
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:38:06 EDT
From: MichellHC aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: seats

If you want your truck to stay all Ford, I have a suggestion. I used a seat
from a 98 Ford F-150, in my 56 I think 97 F-150 up are all the same.
Dimension wise they are almost the same as the original, they are comfortable
too. I installed it by having a piece of 1/4 inch steel plate cut 6"X 23 " I
bolted the plate directly to the original seat track bolt holes and then
bolted the seat to the plate. The good thing is you don't have to drill more
holes in your floorboard, and you can adjust the height of the sat to your
personal taste by installing washers between the steel plate and the floor
board, I tried several combinations of washers both at the front and the rear
of the plate, before I got that just right sitting height. When you get your
carpet installed over it all, it looks like a professional job. It makes for
a good clean installation.

Michelle
Chelle's 56 Hauler
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:48:28 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle

Anyone else going to Carlisle? New weather forcast, as of Thurs 8PM, is
sunny/high about 58.
With this revised weather forecast even I might go, although when I do
go it always rains.

Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:48:28 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle

Anyone else going to Carlisle? New weather forcast, as of Thurs 8PM, is
sunny/high about 58.
With this revised weather forecast even I might go, although when I do
go it always rains.

Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:15:45 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - One more 53-56 F100 question

Don't know anything about the 8" but here's some info on 9" Ford P/U
flange to flange measurements.

'57 (first year for 9") through '72 - 61-1/4"
'73 - '86 - 65-1/4"

If you want to reduce the width, you must use '72 and earlier as '73 on
has tapered axles. The early series were 28 spline axles, rated up to
300HP. The later series has 31 spliners and will handle anything most of
us on the list could put together.

The passenger car series has a lot of width variety, including disk
brakes on some and nodular cases on others.

George Miller


Fred g 454 wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
> I'm in a similar spot here. My '56 has a 3.92, and my friends tell me to put
> in a Ford 8", (less unsprung weight than a 9") My current rear end is the
> 60-1/4" inside to inside of the backing plates. I would like one up to a
> couple inches narrower? In the 3.35 range... Also would the drive shaft still
> work with the new rear end? Does any one have a suggestion.
>
> Fred
> Hotrod '56
>
> George Miller wrote:
>
> > What do you need in the way of flange to flange measurement and how much
> > power will it be handling?
> >
> > George Miller
> >
> > Bo Widerberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, All:
> > I've heard a 1968-1972 F100-F150 rearend will
> > fit perfectly. I've also seen F100s on the Web with 9" Lincoln
> > rearends (but don't know which year Lincoln).
> > >
> > > If I were to take a list of potential rearends with me down to the
> > > local auto wrecker, what should I look for? What will fit?
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:41:26 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - F-3 rear axle swap

Hi Folks. Got a question about swapping the rear axle out of my '52 F-3. I
want to get rid of the extra-low geared split housing axle. I want to put in
an axle with about 4:10 or 4:11 gears in it. My spring perches are spaced 42
1/2 inches apart, measured from the outside of the perch. What dually axles
can I use from what years that will bolt up to my springs?

Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:46:00 -0500
From: "Robert Jones"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Sleeper cabs

Brett L. Habben asked if anyone has seen a '50s large Ford with a sleeper.
There is a guy here in Wisconsin that has a '48-50 F-8 semi that has a
factory sleeper. He said they made only 6 or 8 of these. It's pretty
interesting. The factory split the roof on the sides and widened the cab
and added sheet metal to the rear of the cab, it looks like an extended cab.
The doors flare out and they had to installed sheet metal wedges in the....

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