pre61-list-digest Wednesday, April 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 115



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Rear Differential ID
Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring
Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring
FTE Pre61 - Y blocks and FE's
FTE Pre61 - 57-60???
FTE Pre61 - 57 - 60
FTE Pre61 - Welders
FTE Pre61 - 59 f-250 leaf springs
FTE Pre61 - 57 F250
FTE Pre61 - Redrilling rear axle
FTE Pre61 - Canadian Glass Parts & lowering

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:21:54 -0500
From: "Randy Selby"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear Differential ID

Need some info. I dug through the grime and found the ID tag on the
differential of my
50 F-1. Can someone tell me what these mean:
W 41
Is this the gear ratio?
Also, will a 52 seat fit my 50?
Thanks
Randy
1950 F-1(going original w/updates)
1952 F-1?(parts)

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:27:00 -0600
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring

I have a 52 F1 which I have replaced the wiring on. I don't know if the
data that I provide will be of help, however, let me provide it and you see.
If it works, great, if not, at least we tried.

On the ignition switch, you should have 3 terminals. You should have a
Black w/1 Green tracer going to the GA post on the ignition switch.
You should have a Yellow wire going to the battery post on the ignition
switch.
You should have a Red wire going to the coil post on ignition switch.

This should set you up on the ignition switch.

Let me search and see if I can find you an ignition switch-- I thought that
I have seen them in the catalogs. You might check with NAPA, they have a
lot of parts for older vehicles.

Remember, what I gave you was for a 52-- I would think that they would be
the same??

Joebob
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From: Ray or Fran Bell
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring


Had my 1950 F-1 gauge panel out last week to refinish face and other work.
Reassembled and replaced wires according to my working notes and shop manual
schematic (or so I thought). Man, is it hard to read the faded colors on
those 50 year old cloth wires, not to mention the paint, dust, etc, in the
face and eyes!

Last afternoon with everything back together, truck fired up, gauges worked,
and ran fine for about three minutes. Just long enough to get down the
block. Engine quit, cranked fine but wouldn't start. As it was getting
dark and beginning to rain I chose to not trouble-shoot on the street, so I
called out the neighborhood "hot rod pushers." Was about as embarrassed
then as I am writing this posting.

Worked late tonight and haven't dived under my dash, but I did try to start
my truck; "no fire." Easy answer is that a wire's come loose or broken, and
I plan go under the dash this weekend. I Studied my shop manual tonight but
can't find a wiring diagram for the ignition switch. Got a picture that
ID's wires, but no schematic. Anybody got a diagram or want to look at your
48-50 to tell me the placement of the wires, and wire color coding on the
back of the switch?

Also, my five NOS catalogs don't show a switch for a '50. Keys, yes, switch
no. Anybody got an idea why not?

Also, my manual has a discrepancy in the placement and color code of the
wiring of the under-dash 30 amp/15amp breaker. One diagram (instrument
cluster) shows post two (from the top) "to volt reg" and post three "to
battery terminal on starter relay (via ammeter.) The other diagram (full
circuit) shows (unspecified color) from post three to the voltage regulator
and yellow to the starter. This diagram shows a connector bar between posts
two and three. If you're sticking your head under the dash, how 'bout
copying the wire colors on each of the four posts on that breaker?

Thanks a heap, I appreciate your sore back.
RAY B.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:30:33 -0600
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring

Ray-- C&G Ford Parts has an ignition switch for your 50 F1.

Part Number is LH-9878, cost $11.00/ea. Toll Free num is 800-266-0470. I
have ordered several things from these folks-- real impressed-- they seem to
have what nobody else has, no hassle, some NOS-- in fact, I got a new NOS
vacuum windshield wiper control when it appeared to be impossible to find
other places.

Hope this helps.

Joebob
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray or Fran Bell
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring


Had my 1950 F-1 gauge panel out last week to refinish face and other work.
Reassembled and replaced wires according to my working notes and shop manual
schematic (or so I thought). Man, is it hard to read the faded colors on
those 50 year old cloth wires, not to mention the paint, dust, etc, in the
face and eyes!

Last afternoon with everything back together, truck fired up, gauges worked,
and ran fine for about three minutes. Just long enough to get down the
block. Engine quit, cranked fine but wouldn't start. As it was getting
dark and beginning to rain I chose to not trouble-shoot on the street, so I
called out the neighborhood "hot rod pushers." Was about as embarrassed
then as I am writing this posting.

Worked late tonight and haven't dived under my dash, but I did try to start
my truck; "no fire." Easy answer is that a wire's come loose or broken, and
I plan go under the dash this weekend. I Studied my shop manual tonight but
can't find a wiring diagram for the ignition switch. Got a picture that
ID's wires, but no schematic. Anybody got a diagram or want to look at your
48-50 to tell me the placement of the wires, and wire color coding on the
back of the switch?

Also, my five NOS catalogs don't show a switch for a '50. Keys, yes, switch
no. Anybody got an idea why not?

Also, my manual has a discrepancy in the placement and color code of the
wiring of the under-dash 30 amp/15amp breaker. One diagram (instrument
cluster) shows post two (from the top) "to volt reg" and post three "to
battery terminal on starter relay (via ammeter.) The other diagram (full
circuit) shows (unspecified color) from post three to the voltage regulator
and yellow to the starter. This diagram shows a connector bar between posts
two and three. If you're sticking your head under the dash, how 'bout
copying the wire colors on each of the four posts on that breaker?

Thanks a heap, I appreciate your sore back.
RAY B.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:44:07 -0500
From: Mike Garoppo
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Y blocks and FE's

47Fred, 1959 Ford made 2 292 engines. A medium duty and a heavy duty. The 302 and
332 were considered H.D. along with a 292. The 332 H.D. is the same bolt pattern as the
390,428. The housings were far and few between. Most were in 2 ton trucks. In later
models they were on the 391 which will also fit. You need a copy of a 1959 Ford service
manual I'll send you the address tommorrow. Where are you located?

Fordman

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:00:15 -0500
From: Mike Garoppo
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 57-60???

Crutch, I have a 58 short stepside which is mostly original except for a 67 289 with 66
4bbl heads and intake. I also have a 75 F250 4x4 Highboy LB stepside, and a 76 F150 LB
stepside 4x4 which is lifted,modified, and powered by FORD. Would love to talk shop
with you on stepsides.

Fordman

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:25:30 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 57 - 60

In a message dated 4/19/99 5:32:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


From: "Gayland Crutchfield"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '57-'60 F-100 owners out there???

Hi! I'm new to the list and just wanted to check and see if there are any
'57 to '60 F-100 owners/rebuilders out there who would like to keep in
touch. My son and I are rebuilding a '59 stepside. It seems to be the
hardest to find parts for. Maybe we could trade advice, parts, or whatever.
See ya,
Crutch
>>

1957 here! Your right. You can build a 56 from the ground up using parts made
last month. We have a cab corner and front fender rear corner and that's it!
Email me offline and I'll tell you my journey. Most of the guys in here are
sick of my story by now!

Glenn in TN
Soapy the 57 F-100
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:40:46 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Welders

Guys,

Thanks for all the answers I got concerning welders. I bit the "financial"
bullet and bought a Lincoln Weldpack and the Mig convertor for it. It looks
much easier than the stick welder I had borrowed. Now if my parts will come
in from John's F-funhundreds. Its been about 9 days now!

Glenn in TN
Soapy the "ready-for-assembly" 57 F-100
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:43:27 EDT
From: Fyrftrmike aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 59 f-250 leaf springs

hello ford lovers this is my first posting . i have a 59 f-250 3/4 ton
heavy with a step side on it i'am having problems finding replacement leafs
and am unable to no less find another f-250 for parts does any one know where
they store the larger 3/4 ton trucks junk yards here don't seem to have them
and only 4200 were made that year. also there seems to be a discrpencie on
the hood that is on the truck the vin tag says 59 model dmv forms call it a
60 but the origianl sales slips calls it 60 sold in dec of 59 it has the 58
and 60 small crest logo on the hood not the large block letters any ideas on
this confutstion.
thanks mike
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:43:58 EDT
From: A57F250 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 57 F250

How common were these trucks? does anyone have the numbes? and are they
sought by collectors at all?
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:58:47 -0500
From: "Steve Hansen"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Redrilling rear axle

I have the front disc brake conversion on my 50 F-1, and am/was planning to
have the almost bought 9" redrilled to match the front bolt pattern (read 1
spare tire). Well it occured to me... What about the brake drum? Is there
one that "replaces" the stock one? Any Ideas?

Also, Much thanks to Ken and all the wonderfull people who have rekindled my
love for this garage filler, I am almost full steam into this and think I
will accomplish quite a lot this year. A few ideas I am using..

I went to the parts donation yard a got another stock battery assembly, (I
screwed up the first one) Well this one was taller... By about 3 inches..
Wow, I didn't know there were different sizes. The extra height get's it up
above the engine nice. Now, Ken PLEASE DON't BAN ME, But I put a ch*vy part
on my Ford. From a suggestion from another Ford maniac, the Ch*vy Truck
battery box was ideal. A little creative sheet metal work and some paint..
Wow it looks great!
I stole another part from the same truck, the spare tire holder.. but it's
not truely a ch*vy part, I think it is manufactured and sold to many auto
manufactures.. So no points deducted from me on that one..

Anyway, enough rambling,
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK KEN!!!!
Steve
50-F1.. Some assembly required


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:02:47 -0400
From: "Sheldon Rier"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Canadian Glass Parts & lowering

Hi Leo

From: "Leo Vares"

>What i'm interested in is glass fenders, hoods,one piece front end's (flip
up), and front end >lowering technic's. I live in Northwestern Ontario and I
need a Canadian supplier for
>glass parts. I own a 51 Ford p\up with a 302 and C6 trans.

Fairlane Glass is available from Alan Wood in Komoka (outside London, Ont)
519-666-2515
tell him you got his # from a SOCP advert

you may also want to try MacMillan in Owen Sound as he makes glass parts
can't locate his number but try MacMillan Cash & Carry or Truckin Plus
Fiberglass with directory assistance & if you strike out email me privately

> front end lowering technic's. I own a 51 Ford p\up with a 302 and C6
trans.I've removed
> leaves to keep it low but it likes to boottom out, so I'de like to keep it
> light or possibly bend the front axle.Any idea's? Leo,in Thunder Bay.

I have a 49 that I want to lower too - don't want it right in the ground but
a few inches would be good - at the back I was planning on moving the front
spring hanger up to the top of the frame rail & removing a couple of
leaves - don't know what to do at the front - those mono leaf springs seam
like a good idea though - I'm sure others on the list have tried different....


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