pre61-list-digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 114



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - IDing a ford 9"
FTE Pre61 - Re: seats???
FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?
FTE Pre61 - Brake Master Cylinder
FTE Pre61 - Re Radial Tires
FTE Pre61 - 223 engine
Re: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?
FTE Pre61 - RE:
FTE Pre61 - paint codes
Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes
FTE Pre61 - Vendors
FTE Pre61 - Master Cylinder
Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes
Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes
Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61
FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring
FTE Pre61 - Seats info
FTE Pre61 - What oil pan
FTE Pre61 - Glass frount end and lowering

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:42:28 -0500
From: "Steve Hansen"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - IDing a ford 9"

Is there a tag or stamp in a ford 9" that hints at the gear ratio?

Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:29:19 +0100
From: "Paul Y."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: seats???

In the last mail John wrote:
I really thought that those 6 way adjustable 60/40 split bench Caddy seats
would look good in the '53.
But I think I've got too much seating. These things are like a living
room sofa ? Didn't look that big outside the cab
I'm looking for a source for bench seats, ( Other than the junk yard )
maybe pull outs from customizing shops, etc.

Anyone have any recommendations for what works well and fits ??? I think
the tilt back would be a necessary option. Electrics would be nice but not
essential.

Well, I never received a reply from my similar question two weeks ago about
a Caddy seat I saw in Classic Trucks, inside a '56, with a centre arm rest
complete with cup holes. I don't think it was a 60-40. Tilt back is no
option for me, I have to take the seat waaay back. Lets hope someone can
help us, John.
My other quest was for a new hood-mounted screenwash jet, mine's dying. Any
ideas?
They don't seem to be in any catalogs I have from the U.S. (SoCal,
Mid-Fifties, Obsolete Ford)

Hopefully waiting.......Paul


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:59:44 EDT
From: Crnkyolmn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?

In a message dated 4/17/99 4:39:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:

>
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:53:35 PDT
> From: "Bo Widerberg"
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?
>
> Hello List:
>
> This is my first post, so please forgive me if this question has
> previously been answered.
>
> Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop with the least
> modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford F100. The truck has a
> straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that the Chevy 350
> fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford Windsor will
> require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?). Is this true?
>
> If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100 and has dropped a
> V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from you. Any advice?
> Warnings?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> B
Hello Bo: The '53 would have been factory equipped with a flathead V-8; for
ALL vehicles that have a flathead Ford V-8 as factory stock, the small block
Chevy is the easiest, cheapest, quickest way to get to late model V-8 power
in a swap situation. It almost fits better than the flathead! That having
been said, it is also the LAST engine I would consider swapping in...I have
done 2, I have seen at least a zillion, and I will NEVER do it again. There
are just too many other interesting choices; my personal preference would be
to swap in a 300 ci Ford 6-cyl. with an AOD behind it, make sure to use the
rear sump pan, if you want to play with the electronics get the '88 up
injected version. Otherwise use the later exhaust manifolds(dual cast iron),
get a water-heated 4-bbl. manifold from Clifford, go for somewhere between
2:75 and 3:50(depending on whether you are going to work it) nine" rear out
of a '70's or so pickup(same wheel pattern), and use the non--electronic
version of the AOD. It will run and work with the big dogs, be damn near
bullet-proof, and if you'll put dual glasspacks on it be a joy to listen to.
My $.02. jefe
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:35:39 -0700
From: Ken Toop
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Brake Master Cylinder

I would like to upgrade my '57 F-100 to a dual master cylinder. I'm pretty
sure I can manufacture an adapter plate, but I'm not sure what master
cylinder to use. I don't want to go to power brakes, and I plan to stick
with the original drums all around. Most of the parts catalogs seem to
sell one or the other Mustang master cylinder for upgrades, or, sometimes,
the Corvette. Does anyone have a suggestion as to which would be best?
While I am at it, many thanks to those who have responded in the past.
With list-serve help I have conquered the Duraspark system, the gas gauge,
the electric choke, the oil gauge, bad valve lifters, and many other
aspects of my project. Hopefully we'll be licensed and running by the end
of June!

Kenneth Toop
Yakima School District
Head Librarian, Barge--Lincoln School
219 East "I" Street, Yakima, Washington 98902
573-5207




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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:48 -0400
From: hwillms ca.ibm.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re Radial Tires

I replaced my 16.5 inch wheels on my 48 F1 with 15 inch ones from a late
50's Ford truck. This way the bolt pattern is still the same and if you
want to use original hubcaps you can. I then fitted the widest whitewall
radials I could find from the local tire shop(not the super expensive
special order ones you can find in the catalogues). It all rolls well now.


Henry Willms


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:54:52 PDT
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 223 engine

Jason, I have a 223 out of a 1960 panel. Eng has 55K miles on total
rebuild. Has good oil pressure & compression, no knocks or smoke,
doesn't burn any oil, runs cool (in S. Fla.). It's complete with carb,
gen & starter. You can have bell housing & trans too (3 spd stick) if
you need them. $300.00.

John

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:26:51 EDT
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?

here we go again with the chevy bashing just one mans opinion
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:19:07 -0500
From: "Rich Garber"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - RE:

> Now I just need brake lines.
> Does anybody know a good source for them? I've seen a few
> advertisements in Classic Trucks, but not sure on which company to
> use. If anybody has experience with a certain company or knows a
> place I could get them, please let me know. Thanks.
>
> Billy Carlson
> 56 F100 Pickup

Billy,

Last year at about this time, I needed lines as well. I'll make a long
story short. After waiting 2 months, for lines that ran $175.00, they
didn't fit. Not even close!, took another 2 months to get my money back.

The solution? Make your own. You'll need a good Dbl. flair tool, Tube
cutter, bender, fittings, 3/16" steel brakeline, 19 gauge wire, can of
clear spray paint.

The 19 gauge wire is for the gravel guards on the rear, Paint with clear
when done.

It looks great, and total cost was around $100.00. If you need further help
let me know.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:40:49 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - paint codes

Does anyone know the paint codes used in 1952? I need the numbers for :
Desert Tan ( for the body)
Vermillion silver ( for the grille, speaker cover and glove box)

Any help on these will be appreciated

Thanks,
Paul
52 F-3
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:48:18 -0600
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes

Ok, the paint code for sandpiper tan is K.
Paint code the vermillion silver is N

Out of the Ford Pickup Red Book.

Joebob
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To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:44 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - paint codes


>Does anyone know the paint codes used in 1952? I need the numbers for :
>Desert Tan ( for the body)
>Vermillion silver ( for the grille, speaker cover and glove box)
>
>Any help on these will be appreciated
>
>Thanks,
>Paul
>52 F-3
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:05:43 -0600
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Vendors

Doug,
You might try Concours Parts & Accessories at 1-800-722-0009 and ask for =
their 1948 - 1966 Ford truck catalog. Hope this helps.
Janet
Blazin'48

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:26.22 -055
From: "Douglas K. Siedsma"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - vendors

I am doing a frame up '51 F-100. Chasssis is repainted and starting in on =
the axles and such. I have a couple of parts catalogs, like Mac's and Reck =
& Relics. What are some other ones for misc. new parts? Appreciate the =
help... Doug

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:16:37 -0600
From: "A. D. Dodge"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Master Cylinder

> The larger reservoir is usually for the front brakes since the fronts have larger
> wheel cylinders, and require a greater volume of brake fluid to move the shoes. This
> is also the case with disc brakes since they use large pistons.

Dusty Dodge
'55 F100 292 4V


> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:48:04 +0000
> From: Andy Montebello
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Master Cylinder
>
> I have a dual reservoir master cylinder (non-power) for a 1967 Ford
> Pickup that I am planning on putting on my 1950 Ford Pickup with stock
> brakes. One reservoir is much larger than the other -- is the larger
> for the front brakes or back brakes or no either one?



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:28:36 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes

In a message dated 4/20/1999 12:54:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
joebob lobo.net writes: (original message below)
Wait a minute! Vermillion (code N) is red. There's no code in the
Red Book for Silver. It's just your basic Ford Argent, but I don't think any
'52 grilles were silver. Early '51s were silver grilles with chrome
headlight bezels, then they switched to body color or beige grills with
argent bezels. The Red Book says in 52 'the front grille was painted white,
as was the front trim work on the hood,' but the Red Book is suspect on
several details.
> Ok, the paint code for sandpiper tan is K.
> Paint code the vermillion silver is N
>
> Out of the Ford Pickup Red Book.
>
> Joebob
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> From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:44 AM
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - paint codes
>
>
> >Does anyone know the paint codes used in 1952? I need the numbers for :
> >Desert Tan ( for the body)
> >Vermillion silver ( for the grille, speaker cover and glove box)
> >
> >Any help on these will be appreciated
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Paul
> >52 F-3

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:37:05 -0700
From: Mig
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes

How do i get a ford red book????

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:37:05 -0700
From: Mig
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - paint codes

How do i get a ford red book????

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:29:10 -0400
From: "Leo Vares"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61

Hello all you F1 and up people,I've been reading the add's for quite a
while. I've learned a lot of things that I did'nt even think applied to
me,so thank you to all who contributed.What i'm interested in is glass
fenders, hoods,one piece front end's (flip up), and front end lowering
technic's. I live in Northwestern Ontario and I need a Canadian supplier for
glass parts. I own a 51 Ford p\up with a 302 and C6 trans.I've removed
leaves to keep it low but it likes to boottom out, so I'de like to keep it
light or possibly bend the front axle.Any idea's? Leo,in Thunder Bay.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:16:40 -0400
From: Ray or Fran Bell
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ignition Wiring

Had my 1950 F-1 gauge panel out last week to refinish face and other =
work. Reassembled and replaced wires according to my working notes and =
shop manual schematic (or so I thought). Man, is it hard to read the =
faded colors on those 50 year old cloth wires, not to mention the paint, =
dust, etc, in the face and eyes!

Last afternoon with everything back together, truck fired up, gauges =
worked, and ran fine for about three minutes. Just long enough to get =
down the block. Engine quit, cranked fine but wouldn't start. As it =
was getting dark and beginning to rain I chose to not trouble-shoot on =
the street, so I called out the neighborhood "hot rod pushers." Was =
about as embarrassed then as I am writing this posting.

Worked late tonight and haven't dived under my dash, but I did try to =
start my truck; "no fire." Easy answer is that a wire's come loose or =
broken, and I plan go under the dash this weekend. I Studied my shop =
manual tonight but can't find a wiring diagram for the ignition switch. =
Got a picture that ID's wires, but no schematic. Anybody got a diagram =
or want to look at your 48-50 to tell me the placement of the wires, and =
wire color coding on the back of the switch?

Also, my five NOS catalogs don't show a switch for a '50. Keys, yes, =
switch no. Anybody got an idea why not?

Also, my manual has a discrepancy in the placement and color code of the =
wiring of the under-dash 30 amp/15amp breaker. One diagram (instrument =
cluster) shows post two (from the top) "to volt reg" and post three "to =
battery terminal on starter relay (via ammeter.) The other diagram =
(full circuit) shows (unspecified color) from post three to the voltage =
regulator and yellow to the starter. This diagram shows a connector bar =
between posts two and three. If you're sticking your head under the =
dash, how 'bout copying the wire colors on each of the four posts on =
that breaker?

Thanks a heap, I appreciate your sore back.
RAY B. =20

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:15:23 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seats info

I recently outfitted 2 F100s with bucket junk yard seats. FYI:

I have a panel, and I am 6'2". The main reason I bought the panel was
because I could be comfortable while driving. I put in some fairly nice
bucket seats, and am considering installing a pair of nice Chrysler
leather buckets, and I can do this if I want, because: I have all the
room I need.

HOWEVER, a pickup has limited room, so I used these parameters when
picking out seats:

1. Get as thin as possible seat backs, so as to give you as much
rear travel as possible. Also, get ones with seperate, removable
headrests...this way, by not using the headrests, you can usually extend
the seat rearward another inch or so. The headrest would hit the back
window glass, and limit the rear travel.
2. Find seats whose backs will lock in a vertical position...this
will give you a LOT of extra travel by itself. The most upright most
seats lock in at is not vertical, but with a bit of back angle. This
angle takes up a lot of room.

By following the above 2 "rules", you will not be able to use most plush
looking seats, unless you are a pencil neck geek, of course. However, I
have found one company which had seats which are thin, and do allow the
back to be straight up...unfortunately, I can't remember which car(s)
they were...they were Oriental, an Hundai, or Sabaru, or
Isusu...defenitely not a big name, such as Honda, Toyota, Nissan.

They work great even for my height. PLUS, just because the backs lock
straight up, this doesn't mean you have to keep them straight up, but
you can scoot the seat forward a little and they tilt the back back, if
you want to. BTW, I put the seats in a 53 & 54, with no gas tank in the
cab. I'm sure this would really make it tough for a taller person. One
of the trucks had a nice front seat fm a Chrysler 5th avenue. After
switching, I gained 2-3 inches of room! Plus, they are comfortable.

Regards, Paul

Carlisle this Saturday, if it doesn't rain.
It ALWAYS rains, or is just rotten weather at Carlisle, so I guess I
won't go again. The forecast is for....rain. but this is only Tuesday.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:16:41 -0500
From: "Doug "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What oil pan

I have a 1949 F1 with the stock suspension. And would like to known if a 302
from a 1972 Ford truck will fix ok with the stock front end. Or will I have
to have a rear sump oil pump.
Please HELP


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:18:10 EDT
From: Flathead52 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Glass frount end and lowering

Leo
I have a 52 F-1 that I got glass fenders both upper and lowers and
the lower valance panel.( I can't find an upper valance or a one piece
front-end anywhere) I also purchased a glass hood from The Fairlane company
in St. Johns, MI. Is there a reason you want a Canadian company to get these
from?
I also lowered my stock front axle with an axle flip. I made some
parts after seeing an add for a ch**y front straight axle. I can send you
some PICS if you want. I also did a rear flip. To do this I had to "C"
channel the frame. I also took out five of the ten leaves in the rear
spring. It gave me just the ride I wanted. I drove the truck for about six
months with just the front done. I had no problems at all and drove in many
conditions. I haven't had a chance to try the ride with the rear end done....


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