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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - What V8?
FTE Pre61 - Which V-8
FTE Pre61 - fender vendors
Re: FTE Pre61 - What V8?
FTE Pre61 - Re: What V8 will drop into a '53 F100?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: What V8 will drop into a '53 F100?
FTE Pre61 - I coulda hadda V8
FTE Pre61 - Easy engine install
FTE Pre61 - 55 restoration
FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders
FTE Pre61 - V8 in an effe
FTE Pre61 - radial tires

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:27:06 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8?

Bo wrote: "Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop with
the least
modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford F100. The truck has a
straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that the Chevy 350
fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford Windsor will
require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?). Is this true?

If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100 and has dropped a
V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from you. Any advice?
Warnings?"

I think the most important warning I could give you would be to make
sure you install the new crossmember (which you will need for a modern
engine) correctly. This will likely entail a weld in mount, and possibly
boxing in the frame where the new crossmember is installed. I have heard
of the frames cracking on these old trucks, and have seen one example
where a 460 had been installed.
If, however, easy is what you are looking for, I might suggest Ford's
venerable 239-256-272-292-312cid Y-block V8, which should practically be
a bolt-in for your truck. The 239 Y-block is stock for my '54. I also
admit a certain fondness for the engine. :-) Like one of the others
said, the sky's the limit, from a lowly 239 Y-block to a big 460!
Conversion kits are there for just about anything.
Just PLEASE don't put a Ch*vy engine in it!!!!!
- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:56:31 -0500
From: Mike Garoppo
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Which V-8

Bo,

Do you currently have a V-8 in it now? If you have a 272 or 292 you can take a 332 bell housing and
mount a 390, 428 directly to the stock mounts with NO modifications! A direct bolt in using all FORD
parts. Need I say more? Ford also made a 302 in the late fifties. Check it out.

96 F150 SC 4x4
76 F150 4x4 LB stepside
75 F250 4x4 LB stepside
59 F250 4x4 frame/running gear only
60 2wd F100
58 2wd F100
2 59 panels for resto.
95 T-bird LX V8
2 FORD riding mowers
and a dog named Bronco and
his sidekick Ranger!

Fordman

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:21:58 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - fender vendors

Hi Guys and Gals,
I am looking to replace the lower rear section and the upper front section
of my '52 F-3 fenders. I am also wanting to buy new lower front panels for
them too. I found some at EMS in Cleveland, Ohio. Has anyone ever used their
products before? Can someone tell me about the quality of their parts and
service?
This is the only company that I know of that has the repair sections for an
F-3. If anyone knows of another company that has these things, please let me
know.

Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:18:38 -0500
From: "GHOSTRIDER"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - What V8?

Amen!!

John Moody
50 Flathead V8 F-1

- ----- Original Message -----
From: The Neighbors
To: FTE Pre-61 List
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 1999 7:27 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8?


> Bo wrote: "Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop with
> the least
> modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford F100. The truck has a
> straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that the Chevy 350
> fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford Windsor will
> require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?). Is this true?
>
> If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100 and has dropped a
> V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from you. Any advice?
> Warnings?"
>
> I think the most important warning I could give you would be to make
> sure you install the new crossmember (which you will need for a modern
> engine) correctly. This will likely entail a weld in mount, and possibly
> boxing in the frame where the new crossmember is installed. I have heard
> of the frames cracking on these old trucks, and have seen one example
> where a 460 had been installed.
> If, however, easy is what you are looking for, I might suggest Ford's
> venerable 239-256-272-292-312cid Y-block V8, which should practically be
> a bolt-in for your truck. The 239 Y-block is stock for my '54. I also
> admit a certain fondness for the engine. :-) Like one of the others
> said, the sky's the limit, from a lowly 239 Y-block to a big 460!
> Conversion kits are there for just about anything.
> Just PLEASE don't put a Ch*vy engine in it!!!!!
> --
> Don Neighbors
> '54 F250 Named Grover
>
> "Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
> innaccesible part of the vehicle."
>
> grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: What V8 will drop into a '53 F100?

I have a '53 F100 with a 351C-4V and a C6 tranny. My
front suspension is still stock, but I've just ordered
an IFS from TCI. All of the Ford Motors you mentioned
will fit easily into a '53 F100 with solid axle
suspension, but you should select one that gives you
the option of a rear sump oil pan, should you decide
later on to go to an IFS. That eliminates the Windsors
289/302/351W. (There may be expensive Rear Sump pans
available for Windsors from aftermarket suppliers.)
With the 351C/M and 400 rear sump pans that fit came
stock on early 80's 4X4's. Of that list the best
choice for all around operation is a 2 barrel 351C,
unless you want all out performance then find a
351C-4V. Also select a C6 tranny.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

> Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53
> F100?
>
> Hello List:
>
> This is my first post, so please forgive me if this
> question has
> previously been answered.
>
> Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop
> with the least
> modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford
> F100. The truck has a
> straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that
> the Chevy 350
> fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford
> Windsor will
> require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?).
> Is this true?
>
> If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100
> and has dropped a
> V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from
> you. Any advice?
> Warnings?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:18:02 -0700
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: What V8 will drop into a '53 F100?

Well, it doesnt eliminate all of the 351W's. I have a 86 4x4 that came
stock with a rear sump 351W. Manual trans by the way.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Lee
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 10:26 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: What V8 will drop into a '53 F100?


>I have a '53 F100 with a 351C-4V and a C6 tranny. My
>front suspension is still stock, but I've just ordered
>an IFS from TCI. All of the Ford Motors you mentioned
>will fit easily into a '53 F100 with solid axle
>suspension, but you should select one that gives you
>the option of a rear sump oil pan, should you decide
>later on to go to an IFS. That eliminates the Windsors
>289/302/351W. (There may be expensive Rear Sump pans
>available for Windsors from aftermarket suppliers.)
>With the 351C/M and 400 rear sump pans that fit came
>stock on early 80's 4X4's. Of that list the best
>choice for all around operation is a 2 barrel 351C,
>unless you want all out performance then find a
>351C-4V. Also select a C6 tranny.
>
>Dan Lee
>'53 F100
>351C-4V
>
>> Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53
>> F100?
>>
>> Hello List:
>>
>> This is my first post, so please forgive me if this
>> question has
>> previously been answered.
>>
>> Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop
>> with the least
>> modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford
>> F100. The truck has a
>> straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that
>> the Chevy 350
>> fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford
>> Windsor will
>> require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?).
>> Is this true?
>>
>> If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100
>> and has dropped a
>> V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from
>> you. Any advice?
>> Warnings?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>
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> >
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:48:05 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - I coulda hadda V8

In a message dated 4/17/99 9:39:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


From: "Bo Widerberg"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What V8 will drop into a 53 F100?

Hello List:

This is my first post, so please forgive me if this question has
previously been answered.

Which V8 (Ford 289/302/351, Chevy 350, ??) will drop with the least
modification/relocation of parts into a 53 Ford F100. The truck has a
straight axle and stock suspension. I've heard that the Chevy 350
fits within the stock suspension, but that a Ford Windsor will
require modifying the suspension (moving to IFS?). Is this true?

If anyone out there has a 53-56 straight axle F100 and has dropped a
V8 (Ford or Chevy) into it, I'd love to hear from you. Any advice?
Warnings?

Many thanks in advance.

Bo >>

I have a 5.0 out of a 90 Lincoln Town Car. The oil pan on this motor has 2
pan dips (and requires removing 2 plugs to drain the oil). I feel it would
have fit on top of my straight axle before it was removed. I have heard of
other Ford motors that have a rear oil sump that will miss the front axle,
but you really should look into an IFS. I recommend an after-market unit as
opposed to cutting and welding a clip -- this comes from personal
experience!! And don't use the ch*vy -- its been done to death. Now a twin
turbo 300ZX 3.0 ...??!

Glenn in TN (but far from Pigeon Forge)
Soapy the not ready for Pigeon Forge 57 F-100
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:01:05 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Easy engine install

I bolted into my 55 panel a 351W with c6 automatic trans.
Dennis Carpenter and others has the engine mounts (metal and rubber
necessary items) , and also the transmission support and rubber pad for
it.
The engine I used was out of a van, so I had no problems with oil pan
clearances. I understand that some models require one to change the oil
pan, due to clearance problems.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:04:03 -0400
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 55 restoration

I have been looking at the posts over the past few months and the
majority of them deal with upgrading engines or other components to make
these trucks street rods. In my case, I am restoring a 55' F-250 stake
to original. Some of you who are not keeping your trucks original might
have one part that I need: An engine. I currently have a 215 in my
truck. I is not the original motor. I need a 223 ci motor. Maybe one
of you has an old "wimpy" stock 6 cyl that you pulled from your truck.

Thank for your help.
Jason Piccola
55' Ford

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:09:02 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders

While I'm at it, Northern Tool (www.northern-online.com) has a Schumacker
wire feed welder that runs off of 110V for $169. This seems like a great
deal, but I know you get what you pay for. I've seen some Mig setups in our
local want ads for around $200. What's a I've-got-to-do-it-all-myself kinda
guy going to do??

Glenn in TN
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:23:45 EDT
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders

Glenn,
Does the wire fed welder have the option to add argon gas to it? I purchased
a wire welder at a local farm and ranch supply chain here in Texas for $400.
It had the option to add the gas to it. I sure am glad I added the gas
because it makes a world of difference in the welds. It leaves the cleanest
bead that I have ever seen. I have a friend that bought one $200 new, but it
lasted maybe 6 months. He can't even find parts for it. This scared me when I
was mig shopping, so I went ahead and spent a little more than that. Some
folks will even say that a $400 unit is cheap-built, but it works great for
body work and I have had it for a while.
Anyways, whatever kind of unit you get, make sure you can put the argon gas
on it. It's easier to use than the flux wire and virtually no clean up when
you are done. My 0.02 cents.

Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 99 23:28:44 PDT
From: "zeener"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wire Feed or MIG Welders

You definately get what you pay for, but the main option to consider is
gas. A wire-feed welder is not that great unless you have a gas hookup.
Most of those cheaper welders don't!!!

I tried a $200 Cambell-Hausfield welder w/o gas..no good!

I talked a friend into buying a Miller wire feed, (much more expensive),
but you can run a 25% CO2- 75% Argon mix, or 100% CO2. The argon produces
a cleaner weld, CO2 is stronger, penetrates more.

I talked him in to buying it...now I get to use it!!!! Heh heh!!

But hey, at least you guys have a truck to work on...I am still looking!!!!

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> While I'm at it, Northern Tool (www.northern-online.com) has a Schumacker
> wire feed welder that runs off of 110V for $169. This seems like a great
> deal, but I know you get what you pay for. I've seen some Mig setups in
our
> local want ads for around $200. What's a I've-got-to-do-it-all-myself
kinda
> guy going to do??
>
> Glenn in TN
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: FTE Pre61 - V8 in an effe

My memory is a little fading but twenty years ago my first 56 had a 68 289
from a fairlane that I remember as just bolting right in. However if you
are using a stock radiator, one of the water outlets is on the wrong, well
at least that is how I remember it. Good luck

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:45:33 EDT
From: TonyDePaul aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - radial tires

Hello to all,

>From time to time, owners of '48-'52 F-1's have written about their
experiences in running radial tires. I'd appreciate any specific advice on
brand, tread design, how they handle, etc. I intend to use them mainly for
highway travel at a sane 55-60 mph.

I hear it's a bad idea to run radials on the original wheels. A couple of....


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