pre61-list-digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 313



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - frame off restoration
Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1
Re: FTE Pre61 - frame off restoration
Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1
Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1
FTE Pre61 - 1951 Bed
Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1
FTE Pre61 - '56 Tailgate
FTE Pre61 - Upper Radiator Hose

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - frame off restoration

I've thrown out this challange before and came up empty, so I'll try
again.

I'm doing a frame off build up of a 53 F-100 pickup. Being a rookie,
I'm learning as I go. It would be nice to have a organized list of
sequential steps that should/could be performed in such a project...
It could save some of us some unnecessary work or expense....

i.e.

1. blast and clean frame
2. front suspension changes
3. rear suspension changes
4. fab and install motor mounts/trans mount
5. install drive line
6 front/rear brake upgrades

etc......

and does paint come before wiring and plumbing ?? does interior work
come after paint... is the glass the last step ??????

Have any of you ever or would any of you ever consider putting a list
together to help a rookie... We could do this as a group thing and put
it out on the page for everyone's benefit. I'd be glad to write the
final list/article, but I need some educated input from the experts..

Well......??????????

TIA John
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:44:08 EST
From: Elling1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1

>
I am starting the frame off restoration of my point in time, but some
oldtimers(owners of this series of truck as new) say that the rear suspension
looks different.
My truck has two sets of leaf springs in the rear. Can anyone identify this
type of suspension? Also I would like to thank all of you on the list for
being so much help.
Most times my answers are posted before I have a chance to ask.
thanks
bill (Elling1)
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:50:32 -0500
From: "Sam Fugate"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - frame off restoration

What a great Idea!!!! I too am in the middle of my first frame off resto
of a 51 F1 and have been wondering about how what to do after everything is
off the frame .
Sam , Mt. Sterling
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From: jniolon uss.com
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Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:54 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - frame off restoration


> I've thrown out this challange before and came up empty, so I'll try
> again.
>
> I'm doing a frame off build up of a 53 F-100 pickup. Being a rookie,
> I'm learning as I go. It would be nice to have a organized list of
> sequential steps that should/could be performed in such a project...
> It could save some of us some unnecessary work or expense....
>
> i.e.
>
> 1. blast and clean frame
> 2. front suspension changes
> 3. rear suspension changes
> 4. fab and install motor mounts/trans mount
> 5. install drive line
> 6 front/rear brake upgrades
>
> etc......
>
> and does paint come before wiring and plumbing ?? does interior work
> come after paint... is the glass the last step ??????
>
> Have any of you ever or would any of you ever consider putting a list
> together to help a rookie... We could do this as a group thing and put
> it out on the page for everyone's benefit. I'd be glad to write the
> final list/article, but I need some educated input from the experts..
>
> Well......??????????
>
> TIA John
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>

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:12:14 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1

Bill, My '52 F-3 truck has the same spring setup as yours does (I think.) My
leaf springs have a smaller set of springs that are on top of the "main"
springs. They are called auxiliary springs. It is odd that your '48 F-1 has
this setup, because according to my books, this auxiliary spring was only
offered on the F-3 and larger trucks. Possibly someone may have put on these
springs some years ago as an aftermarket add-on.
If I am wrong about this, please somebody correct me.
Paul
'52 F-3
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:41:19 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1

In a message dated 98-11-09 17:57:08 EST, you write:


oldtimers(owners of this series of truck as new) say that the rear suspension
looks different.
My truck has two sets of leaf springs in the rear. Can anyone identify this
type of suspension? >>
Bill -
Don't know how much help I'll be, but my '51 has the same setup. Original
10 (11?) leaf springs with some 6 leaf helpers above, which hit on neat cast
pieces which bolt over the frame. Real factory looking stuff, but I've never
seen such an option in old literature, and others on the list say its not
stock. Looks like something off an F-5. Its way too stiff for me, but I
haven't bothered to get new U-bolts and remove the helpers. If you're going
to drive this truck and not use it for hauling granite, I'd leave them on the
garage wall.
Jonas
'51 F1R1
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:41:56 -0400
From: "Miguel Londono"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1951 Bed

Well, I want to thank you for your suggestions in taking off the bed. I did
that this week in my F-1.
I decided to take the whole bed without disassembling the back fenders (It
is easier to do it with the bed off the frame), I tried to lift it by hand
(3 people) but it is too heavy, and with the weight of the fenders you take
the risk of dropping it and damaging the fenders. I lifted it using a kind
of cable puller which I borrowed from my neighbor, I put 2 2x4 across the
bed and lifted from it, it is much easier. (I hanged the cable puller from
one of the I beams of my garage). Lifted about 15 to 20 cm. from the frame
and then pushed the truck out of the way while my dad and neighbor held the
front of the bed upright so that the fenders didn't get in the way. Then I
lowered the bed on some wood blocks. One thing you have to make sure is that
the cable puller is capable of lowering heavy loads slowly, not those that
drop the load at once.
Now I am starting to disassemble the bed fenders. I think the bed weights
about 200 to 250 kg. with fenders and heavy wood.
IŽll put some pictures in my web page.

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:37:08 -0700
From: "Ray Cardogno"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 48 f-1


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On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:12:14 PWPTRUCK1 wrote:
>Bill, My '52 F-3 truck has the same spring setup as yours does (I think.) My
>leaf springs have a smaller set of springs that are on top of the "main"
>springs. They are called auxiliary springs. It is odd that your '48 F-1 has
>this setup, because according to my books, this auxiliary spring was only
>offered on the F-3 and larger trucks. Possibly someone may have put on these
>springs some years ago as an aftermarket add-on.
> If I am wrong about this, please somebody correct me.
> Paul
>'52 F-3
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Paul,
Does your frame have tabs for these helper springs to contact and bear weight under heavy load conditions?

Bill, Does yours? If not I think that will verify Pauls suggestion that someone has put them on. Sounds like it would make for one tough riding half-ton truck. You can remove those extra leaves if you want to soften it a bit. Chances are they are pretty fatigued anyways.

I am interested in knowing what your outcome is,

Ray


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:56:23 -0700
From: Lori Brewster
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '56 Tailgate

Regarding the query from Fred (Hot Rod 56 in Michigan). We had a
similar situation with the rusty, beat up tailgate on our project,
also a '56. After discussing it with the restoration shop, we decided
to just go down to the local Ford dealer and buy a brand new one.
Since the beds were the same thru the early 70's, they are still
available. We found that to be as economical as doing major surgery
to the original or a used one from the salvage yard.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:09:48 -0700
From: Lori Brewster
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Upper Radiator Hose

We have a '56 F-100 into which we put a 429 from a '73 Merc Marquis.
The upper radiator hose typically connects to the standard thermostat
housing which comes out of the intake manifold in approx. a 45 degree
angle toward the right front of the engine compartment. I have seen
some projects which use the 429/460 engine which have a thermostat
housing with the outlet facing straight up. This makes for a much
cleaner and better looking hose loop to the upper radiator. Does
anyone know a source for this piece of hardware?

Also, I am told there is a company that will custom make a set of 429
engine flags. I am looking for the 62-64 style that went on the side
of the car (and the oval style air cleaner) with the engine size
(390-406-427). The name of the company is something like Krites or
Crites and they supposedly have a Website, but I can't find exact
address to track them down. Can someone help?

Dave and Lori
"429EFIE"
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