pre61-list-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 271



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Volare frontend.
FTE Pre61 - 1950 clutch to 1977 clutch conversion
FTE Pre61 - 4x4 F100
FTE Pre61 - Insurance
FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.
Re: FTE Pre61 - Insurance
Re: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.
Re: FTE Pre61 - '49 F3
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site
Re: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup--SOLUTION!!!

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:50:33 -0400
From: "Eric E. Nesbitt"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Volare frontend.

OK fellow FTE's, I've been subscribing to this list for the past few
months, but this is my first posting, so here goes.
First off, I have a '49 F1 that I purchased back in 1991 in
California while stationed in the military. I had long been wanting a
'53-'56 effie, but when I saw the styling of the '49, I fell in love
with it. The truck had been used for parts on another truck, but the
body was all there minus the wiring, guages, steering, and frontend. I
gave the guy $350 for it, and towed it away. I found another frontend
and put it under the truck, and then hauled it all back to my home in
South Carolina, in late 1992.
The truck has sat under a tarp (I don't have a garage) since then,
and I would tinker with it whenever I had the time and money, which was
not very often and never enough. Recently, I have begun to make a
serious effort to get it up and going, which brings me at long last to
my question.
I have been mulling over the pros and cons of the independent
frontend vs. the upgraded stock frontend. Seeing as how it will cost
just as much, if not more to upgrade the frontend as it would to swap in
an independent setup, I have decided to go independent. Being a Ford man
I wanted the Mustang setup, but after talking to a few people about it,
I don't think it would be worth the expense or the headache it seems to
be. Which leaves the Volare.
I have seen postings with reference to the Volare and Satellite
frontends. Will any torsion bar frontend be the same, the reason I'm
asking is I have access to a '69 Barracuda and was wondering if it's
frontend would work under my '49? If anyone knows could you please let
me know. I would also like to hear from anyone who has done the torsion
bar frontend swap in a '48-'52 F1. I have seen a cross member kit from
Gibbon, but I have also heard about templates to mount the frontend in a
stock frame, has anyone done this? It seems that the templates would be
more affordable than the (in my opinion)"over priced cross member kits".
Does anyone have a set of these templates, or know where I can get them
for an F1?
Sorry I was so long winded, but could really use the advice and
assistance. Thanks in advance.

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Eric Nesbitt
e-mail: neze sccoast.net
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:54:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Terry Thompson
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1950 clutch to 1977 clutch conversion

I'm hoping someone can help me out with a problem I have with regards to a
1950 Ford F5 stake-body I recently aquired. The previous owner installed a
302 with a C6 manual tranmission in it, and had a real 'kluge' of a clutch
linkage installed.

The problem I have is that the clutch linkage he installed (included some
cabeling and u-bolts) which snapped. I'm now left with the problem of
connecting a 1950 clutch pedal to a 1977 clutch.

The problem is that, on
a 1950 clutch, the downward movement of the pedal pushes an release armrod
forward, which causes a torquing movement on the release shaft via an
equalizer shaft (which presses the release bearing in).

On a C6 (3spd+OD) bell-housing, the clutch fork pivots inside the
bell-housing, and presses the bearing with a "pulling" motion.

Anyone on the list has made this conversion before and has an
idea that might work? I'd consider a hydrolic clutch, but I'm not sure
what bell-housing I might get that will fit a C6 and Ford 302.

Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.

- -Terry Thompson
'50 Ford F5


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:36:16 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 4x4 F100

I would like to have a 53-56 4x4 pickup; 56 preferred.
The easy way: If anyone knows of one reasonably priced for sale, please
let me know.
Ideally, it would be nice to find a modified frame with a lousy body, to
keep costs down.

The hard way: Does anyone know of a book or website of someone who has
done this conversion? I almost got one which used 74 Bronco gear on a
56 frame, but it didn't work out, so I guess an early Bronco is a
suitable donor, but it would be appreciated to pry into one of your
brains in order to not have to start from scratch as to the best donor
vehicles, etc.
Thanks in advance, Paul Gayda

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:46:50 -0400
From: Jack Fleming
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Insurance

Folks:
I was wondering what folks are doing to insure their old effies. I do
NOT have classic/antique tags on mine, and currently have only liability
coverage since its been in the garage for the past year. Now that its on
the road, I'd like to get some kind of theft coverage at a minimum. BTW,
the vehicle is in Pennsylvania (a no fault state!) What experiences have
you folks had with these insurance companies who "specialize" in classic
vehicle insurance - such as those that advertise in Hemmings, etc? Do most
folks get special coverage on their classics, or just add to their existing
vehicle policy? TIA.

Jack Fleming
'54 F100

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:57:31 -0500
From: aw2bme
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.

I need some help with finding a set of Brake Drums for my
"Fat Fendered Classic F-1 Pickup". The last time I drove
the old truck was 24 years ago. I have invested a lot of love,
money and time in the old beast. That is 2 years ago I began
the restoration. I didn't realize the nightmare of finding new
Brake Drums for the front wheels only. I have contacted
old Ford parts distributors from North Caroline, Oklahoma City,
Fort Bragg, and Long Island. Is it really a fact that front Brake
Drums are a rare find if found at all. I have been quoted prices
ranging from $59.00 to $100.00 for each Drum. Well... it appears
to me that the price isn't the issue......where can I find the Brake
Drums for the 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup??????
You can see my truck on the following web site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~aw2bme


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:37:01 -0400
From: Howard Tarnoff
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Insurance

Jack,

I have had a lot of experience and unfortunately not good experience.

In June we made a trip to Wisconsin from Massachusettes to pick up a 1968 Olds
98 Convertable that was my wifes fathers car since new. This was his "Summer
Sunday Car", had 31,200 miles on it, and had been in an environmently
controlled storage for the last 13 years.

We went to the trouble of getting the title sent to us and registered it in MA
with Antique plates and got it insured. The maximum value that I could get
without an appraisal was 10K. 1000 miles into an 1125 mile trip the car
incinerated.

We are not certain of the cause, but are certain that I will never again drive
a collectable or an antique without proper coverage. Proper coverage is a
stated value policy based on the written appraisal of a state certified
appraiser. The coverage is non negotiable in a total loss situation.

I posted a prior email after this experience. Both of my vehicles, a 55 F100
"trailer queen" and a 54 Crestline Sunliner Convertable are appraised every 6
months like clock work.

Hope you take this advice seriously. Anyone who expects to recover from this
type of loss is crazy. You can never replace your Effie. But...only receiving
a token payment from your insurance carrier is insult upon injury.

Regards and good luck.

BTW there are appraisers in PA listed in Hemmings

Jack Fleming wrote:

> Folks:
> I was wondering what folks are doing to insure their old effies. I do
> NOT have classic/antique tags on mine, and currently have only liability
> coverage since its been in the garage for the past year. Now that its on
> the road, I'd like to get some kind of theft coverage at a minimum. BTW,
> the vehicle is in Pennsylvania (a no fault state!) What experiences have
> you folks had with these insurance companies who "specialize" in classic
> vehicle insurance - such as those that advertise in Hemmings, etc? Do most
> folks get special coverage on their classics, or just add to their existing
> vehicle policy? TIA.
>
> Jack Fleming
> '54 F100
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:40:31 -0400
From: "KENNETH D MARTY"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.

Try Sacramento Vintage, shows there $85.00 each in there catalog part
#7001 1 888 482-3444

Ken
55 F100

- -----Original Message-----
From: aw2bme
To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 9:07 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.


>I need some help with finding a set of Brake Drums for my
>"Fat Fendered Classic F-1 Pickup". The last time I drove
>the old truck was 24 years ago. I have invested a lot of love,
>money and time in the old beast. That is 2 years ago I began
>the restoration. I didn't realize the nightmare of finding new
>Brake Drums for the front wheels only. I have contacted
>old Ford parts distributors from North Caroline, Oklahoma City,
>Fort Bragg, and Long Island. Is it really a fact that front Brake
>Drums are a rare find if found at all. I have been quoted prices
>ranging from $59.00 to $100.00 for each Drum. Well... it appears
>to me that the price isn't the issue......where can I find the Brake
>Drums for the 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup??????
>You can see my truck on the following web site:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~aw2bme
>
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:05:31 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '49 F3

In a message dated 98-09-26 20:08:57 EDT, you write:


I am looking for a tailgate for a '49-'51 F2 or F3. Living in a farming
state, my tailgate has a hole cut into it for the grain chute that
someone added to it. The tailgate for the F1's are too narrow for the F2
or F3 boxes.
>>
At least in the F1s, they changed sometime in '50, so the date ranges are
48-early 50 and late 50-52. If you had a 50, you'd have to know more. Since
you have a 49, I'd look at the 48-early 50 vintage. For details you could
probably call Dennis Carpenter or Todd Murthum. Murthum now goes by another
company name, unfortunately, Northern something? He reproduces Ford pickup
beds and parts. He'd know the difference 'tween F1s, 2s, and 3s, but it'd be
news to me if the tailgates were different widths.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:41:21 -0600
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup--SOLUTION!!!

I have been there-- this is a real nightmare, however after a fair amount of
work and a great brake shop here in Albuquerque, there is a solution. You
can use 1972 FORD REAR drums for your 50 F1. I have a 52 F1 and that was
the solution that we arrived at. I think that you should be able to find
them easily available. If not, let me know and I will tell you who to call
here in Albuquerque. I had the aftermarket overseas drums, they don't
work-- the issue is the collar where the hub fits, it is not raised enuf for
the truck-- at least that was my experience. I worked on this for 4 months
before finding this solution, however, it works great!! Let me know if you
need more ideas.

Joebob




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From: aw2bme
To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 6:58 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Brake System for 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup.


>I need some help with finding a set of Brake Drums for my
>"Fat Fendered Classic F-1 Pickup". The last time I drove
>the old truck was 24 years ago. I have invested a lot of love,
>money and time in the old beast. That is 2 years ago I began
>the restoration. I didn't realize the nightmare of finding new
>Brake Drums for the front wheels only. I have contacted
>old Ford parts distributors from North Caroline, Oklahoma City,
>Fort Bragg, and Long Island. Is it really a fact that front Brake
>Drums are a rare find if found at all. I have been quoted prices
>ranging from $59.00 to $100.00 for each Drum. Well... it appears
>to me that the price isn't the issue......where can I find the Brake
>Drums for the 1950 Ford F-1 Pickup??????
>You can see my truck on the following web site:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~aw2bme....


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