pre61-list-digest Wednesday, September 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 244



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award
FTE Pre61 - Torque tube drive
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Anti-SPAM
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: More on spam... please read.
Re: FTE Pre61 - 99 Pigeon Forge
FTE Pre61 - Vent window rubber on a 56

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:11:29 -0400
From: Jack Fleming
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award

Ken - I'm bummed - you know they only let you vote ONCE???!!!

Jack Fleming
'54 F100 Now on the Road!


At 08:33 PM 8/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Autumn Car Lounge Awards just came out. This time we got
>10th place instead of 1st but I'm still pleased. Check it
>out:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/topten/ttaut98.htm
>
>Thanks for the support on the vote, we really appreciate
>it. Looks like FTE is really starting to get noticed!
>
>Ken Payne
>CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:24:38 -0500
From: "wild.bunch"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Torque tube drive

Torque tube drive was a common method of locating rear axles up to the early
60s. The last major car to use torque tube drive was Buick, until 60 or so
(they didn't use the wasp waist frame). Torque tubes did control axle wrap
up, but had several disadvantages that caused them to loose favor in
Detroit. These were:

1. Unsprung weight: the whole axle-tube assembly was very heavy, which, when
cars became heavy, caused ride harshness due to excessive unsprung weight.

2. Limited spring options: The torque tube design almost always required the
use of the "buggy spring" (transverse leaf as used by pre 49 Ford products)
or coil springs. The increasing weight of cars made buggy springs
impractical, and the parallel leaf spring was the way to go in the 50s: as
in luxurious Lincolns and Imperials, or even torsion bars used in 50s
Packards. None of these arrangements could be used with torque tubes.

3. Limited travel: This was also a ride quality and handling issue. The
single cardan joint at the rear of the transmission allowed only a limited
rear suspension travel, because cardan joints become very inefficient at
angles much more or less than 180. They also impart angular
acceleration/deacceleration at angles other than 180. Two or more cardan
joints were a better solution to this problem, and many luxury cars used
paired cardans (which tended to cancle angular velocity changes) as
"constant velocity joints". You will note that Murray Fahnestack, noted Ford
"T" expert, recommended lowering the "T" to gain a straight torque tube
alignment. This would increase speeds by a very measurable amount, due to
the inefficiency of running the cardan joint at an angle.

Technology has solved some of these issues, and the later Camaros used
something akin to the torque tube, but without the tube. Torque tubes were a
great advancement over the cumbersome designs of the teens, including chain
drive, and worked well for our hero, Henry. But, every dog has its day, and
so did the torque tube.

tim

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:47:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award

At 08:11 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken - I'm bummed - you know they only let you vote ONCE???!!!
>
>Jack Fleming
>'54 F100 Now on the Road!
>

I know. Can you believe who won the 1st place award? Some
Korean auto company no one has heard of. I strongly suspect
that company had all its employees vote for it.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:01:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Anti-SPAM

A vendor has just recently cruised by our site and harvested email
addresses from the pictorial and is sending unsolicited email (spam)
to list members. They've just been chastised about it. If it
continues, I'll announce who they are to the lists so you'll know
who to stay away from.

Last night, an automated web email address harvester hit our site
and nearly brought it down. I fought with the stupid thing for 4
hours because it was stuck cycling through our shopping cart pages.
The web logs were building up faster than I could remove them.

Due to these two recent episodes, I'm going to revert back to a
policy I used to have on the web site: all email addresses on the
site will now have *spam-remove* in the middle of the address. This
will help prevent address harvesting.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:04:41 -0400
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award

At 8:47 PM -0400 9/1/98, Ken Payne wrote:
>I know. Can you believe who won the 1st place award? Some
>Korean auto company no one has heard of. I strongly suspect
>that company had all its employees vote for it.
>
>Ken

Hmmm... Probably the same Korean company that spammed the flathead
newsgroup... What a waste!

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:47:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: More on spam... please read.

I just did some investigation and found who hit our server last night.
Check this out..... and read it all before you send any nasty email
to the spammer if you're one of the recipients.

Our logs indicated that IP 209.67.161.130 was the culprit. I did a
lookup and that resolved to globalpac.com

The spammer, John's F100s, was using kminet.net for the email server.
Did a lookup on kminet.net and guess what? Its hosted by globalpac.com!

Do not jump down John's F100s for this. They were, in many ways, a
victim, just like Ford Truck Enthusiasts and many of the list members.
The email address harvester from kminet.net caused major damage to my
shopping cart database and its going to take a while to rebuild.
Kminet.net is getting billed for all my time fighting off their attack.

I just got done talking to Diana Wall, of John's F100s. She was
pretty distraught. She was told by the marketers at kminet.net that
the mailing list they provided contained addresses of people who had
requested Ford truck products. As is sometimes the case, an innocent
victim can have their reputation ruined by the deceit of a spam
company. Diana had no idea that kminet.net just harvested the addresses
from our site, and who knows how many other Ford truck sites. She
didn't know it was spam, she thought the people wanted the emails.

For the record, Diana extends her deepest apologies. She offered to
email the people who were spammed but was afraid that it might make
matters worse. John's F100 has a good reputation in the classic
Ford truck community and I don't think this incident should change
that. Please send complaints to kminet.net as they are the true culprits.
I'm preparing an invoice right now to kminet.net for all the time I
spent last night fighting this off.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:42:10 -0600
From: boris cavemen.net (James Boris)
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 99 Pigeon Forge

The Pigeon Forge F100 Super Nationals are sponsored by Truckin magazine.

Jim

51 F5 COE
53 F100 panel

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From: Paul
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 8:42 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 99 Pigeon Forge


>Does anyone know who actually sponsers the May Pigeon Forge show? I am
>trying to find out if it is going to be at the same location since I
>understand the front area is going to be a construction hole for another
>hotel.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:02:41 -0400
From: Stephen Silverthorn
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Vent window rubber on a 56

I bought myself the delux window channel kit and vent rubbers from Dennis
Carpenter at Pigeon Forge and I'm just getting around to putting it in
tonight. Everything came out fo the truck fine and the kit looks
excellent. My problem is that when putting the vent window rubber on the
vent window frame there are certain holes that need to line up, that allow
it to swivel etc. Once I stretch the rubber around the frame I can't get
the holes to line up on both sides. The rubber itself fits well and I
think I have the left and right thing figured out. Any advice...




Steve from Canada
Black 56 Ford, F-100
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classicar.com/clubs/socp/socp.htm
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