pre61-list-digest Thursday, July 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 212



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Mono Leaf Suspension
FTE Pre61 - Re: It didn't turn!
FTE Pre61 - Oil Bath Air Cleaner
FTE Pre61 - Heater Core
Re: FTE Pre61 - It didn't turn!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and YBlock engine color!!!
FTE Pre61 - 77-F100 transmission
FTE Pre61 - Hood Ornament
FTE Pre61 - Positive Ground Battery
FTE Pre61 - Gettin' Wired...
Re: FTE Pre61 - Mono Leaf Suspension
Re: FTE Pre61 - Positive Ground Battery

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 16:35:16 PDT
From: "Gina Pruce"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Mono Leaf Suspension

Hello All:

My project is a '50 F1 with flathead V8. Sat under a tree for 15 years.
Rear driver side suspension sank into mud and the drum rusted into brake
shoe, necessitating a removal of the drum to get it rolling. Springs on
that side have rusted together. Otherwise, frame and rear end in good
condition (as is whole body). Brakes, I'll replace with an Engineered
Components (ECI) disc kit on all four corners. Great article in march '98
issue of Classic Trucks outlines that project, so I feel comfortable about
that direction.

My question: has anyone installed a mono leaf suspension from Durant
Enterprises? I want a simple and cost effective upgrade and this looks like
the answer. Please let me know what you liked and disliked about the
product, OR offer alternatives along same lines. Please don't tell me to
install some expensive, exotic independent system. Don't have time or $$$
for that.

thanks,

gdpruce logantele.com

PS Put in a new 6 volt battery, hit the key and it actually turned over. No
spark however. Also, water pumps and carb need a rebuild before I fire it
up.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:21:18 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: It didn't turn!

>1. One picture in the book shows a body to engine ground.
>I'm confused?? The positive lead off the battery goes to
>
>the body. Now the body to engine? What does this do?? I
>presently DON'T have this body to engine ground.

I had a similar problem and I drove myself nuts for months trying to figure
it out. You have to ground it to the engine or it's not going to work
right.

~Dan

1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V (Transmission #2 takes a dump)
Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:35:50 -0500
From: "H.R.Stribling,Jr-Mulberry Lumber & Pallet"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Oil Bath Air Cleaner

>"........H.R wrote:looking for:Oil Bath Air Cleaner Assembly(Part#8EQ9600)
for my 1948 Ford F7 Truck. Engine is the Rouge 337 Lincoln with original
Holley carb."

>".....Don Neighbors answered: A couple of questions of my own: Where
would the part # be found, and what
are the chances the oil bath air cleaner used in '54 would be the same? I
have a spare '54 air cleaner, if that's any help."
>>>>>>>>>
Don: Thanks for the response.
1. The part number is from the 1948 Ford Chassis Book that I purchased eary
into the restoration of the "good & gooder" truck.
2. The air cleaner is unique for this engine and carb, i.e. carb is
horizontal draft towards firewall and air cleaner is a two part unit.
Will be happy to scan a picture fron the sales book on the truck and email
of fax.

Thanks!!!

H.R.



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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Thomas R. Happel"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Heater Core

Hello,

After putting my '53 all back together, I have noticed that my re-furbished
heater core has a leak. Instead of trying to have it repaired, the
best thing to do is replace. Where is a good source for heater cores?
I imagine that the cores were pretty standard through out the years,
and possibly my local Napa or Checker may have them. Any comments?
or does anyone have a known good heater core they don't need?

Thanks!! Tom Happel
'53 F-100 all original!!

P.S. Word of advice for those of you re-building your trucks, After
completely going down to the frame on this little project, I have
discovered that no matter how good the part looks, it probably still
needs replacing!! Case in point.."Oh that Transmission still looks
good, all the gears are OK..." WRONG!!!, less than 100 miles after
putting the truck together, BYE BYE Tranny! should have replaced it
when the cab was off! Case 2... "Oh that heater core will work..."
WRONG!!! right after you install the new carpet, and put in the glove
box, Drip, Drip, Drip....SO no matter what it looks like, no matter
what the expert says, as soon as you put the beast back together, the
hardest part to get to is going to break!!!
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:58:46 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - It didn't turn!

At 08:42 AM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:


>1. One picture in the book shows a body to engine ground.
>I'm confused?? The positive lead off the battery goes to
>the body. Now the body to engine? What does this do?? I
>presently DON'T have this body to engine ground.
>
>Bill,

You need a ground strap. Mine goes from the starter (bolt) to the
frame. Make it the same size as the battery cables (1 gauge).
Clean the metal (where it connects to the frame) make it shine.
I also had one from the bell housing to the cab. (10 gauge)
Remember its 6 volts, it takes twice as much current to
get the job done.

Rich
54 F100


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:02:53 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and YBlock engine color!!!

Howard and his wife and to see his immaculate
>truck! I don't know what the judges were looking for but I heard more
>comments about Howard's truck than any other in the competition!

Howard,

Still waiting for some feedback on the judging, points, what they
took off for, what they were looking for, etc.

Thanks,

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:30:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 77-F100 transmission

Forwarded for: "Stephen W. Hansen"


A bit off year for this truck, but I don't want to s*bscribe to the proper
list for one question. A friend just had his 77 f-100 Trans go out at the
boat ramp. It is a auto 3-speed I think. What was the most common auto Trans
to put into those f-100? What would be the most common failure and approach
to repair (it still goes backwards, and goes forward barely). I think we
will be junkyarding a replacement when I find out what kind it is. What
would be a better replacement Trans that won't require major
modifications/changes. For him money will be tight. He has the numbers from
the door jam and off the Trans for me, what would I be looking for to
identify the Trans model.


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:25:44 -0400
From: Paul Gayda
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Hood Ornament

I am looking for a nice condition hood ornament for my 55 panel. I
recently took one off of a 52 F5; it looks real neat, kind of like a
rocket with a wing across the top front, with the edges of the wing bent
down.
The problem is that it is badly pitted. I would like one in good or
better shape. This is not a major acqusition, but if someone has one at
a reasonable price, I'd like to get it. I figure with the hood ornament
and a windshield visor, it'll kind of look like one of those Raymond
Lowey steam engines, and with the panels' funky lines, it would probably
look good. As a former Avanti owner (also designed by Lowey), I found
it amazing how many "things" he designed...two of which are the Lucky
Strike cig package and the Shell Oil emblem. Sorry for rambling.
Paul G.


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:19:59 -0700
From: Ed
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Positive Ground Battery

The original solenoid on an old ford truck is grounded by the starter
button. You have 6v coming off the center terminal, wire goes to starter
button on dash, other side of starter button grounds it. When you push
the button, the 6v flows from the battery thru the solenoid windings,
thru the terminal, to the button and then to ground to complete the
circuit. To check you would merely ground the center terminal.(If you
check something like a NAPA catalog describing components, you'll find
that starter solenoids come in two types - grounding or live feed)

I have never seen anyone do anything to modify a flathead starter for 12
volts. They seem to work forever as long as you don't overcrank. More
fear of destroying the ring gear on the flywheel.

Your battery is normally connected + to ground on the block, - to the
starter solenoid. However there is no definate ground from the block to
the frame unless you add a cable. Everything under the dash is fed 6v,
and needs a ground to complete the circuit - and the ground is the frame
and the sheet metal. If you don't have a good ground you may get all
kinds of intermittants, where the electical system works, then doesn't.

These 6v systems never turned over fast, you still may have a ground
problem in that the ground for the starter is its 2 mounting bolts and
the fit of the starter into the bellhousing. Best advice is to run a
cable from your ground point and connect it to the starter mount.

Ed Sedgwick
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:55:23 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Gettin' Wired...

Any of you have a wiring diagram for the heater switch on a '54? I bought
stock heater for Grover, and I don't have much of a clue how to wire up the
switch.
Thanks!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

kyneighbors kih.net


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:15:23 -0700
From: Russ Maki
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Mono Leaf Suspension

I've got durant monoleafs on my '53 F-100 and am very happy with them.
You'll want to be prepared to replace the hangers and hardware, though.
You can get the leafs with reversed eyes to lower the truck a bit.
Installation is about a day's work per axle if you've got to replace
hanger brackets riveted to the frame.
Good luck,
Russ



Gina Pruce wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> My project is a '50 F1 with flathead V8. Sat under a tree for 15 years.
> Rear driver side suspension sank into mud and the drum rusted into brake
> shoe, necessitating a removal of the drum to get it rolling. Springs on
> that side have rusted together. Otherwise, frame and rear end in good
> condition (as is whole body). Brakes, I'll replace with an Engineered
> Components (ECI) disc kit on all four corners. Great article in march '98
> issue of Classic Trucks outlines that project, so I feel comfortable about
> that direction.
>
> My question: has anyone installed a mono leaf suspension from Durant
> Enterprises? I want a simple and cost effective upgrade and this looks like
> the answer. Please let me know what you liked and disliked about the
> product, OR offer alternatives along same lines. Please don't tell me to
> install some expensive, exotic independent system. Don't have time or $$$
> for that.
>
> thanks,
>
> gdpruce logantele.com
>
> PS Put in a new 6 volt battery, hit the key and it actually turned over. No
> spark however. Also, water pumps and carb need a rebuild before I fire it
> up.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:06:33 -0400
From: Frank Mester
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Positive Ground Battery

Ed wrote:

> Everything under the dash is fed 6v, and needs a ground to complete the
> circuit - and the ground is the frame and the sheet metal.



> Ed Sedgwick
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Ed,

Re: above statement. The whole truck is positive ground and is fed -6V to....

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