pre61-list-digest Sunday, July 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 187



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - C4 Output Shaft
FTE Pre61 - About Drip Rails
FTE Pre61 - H*LP with old family Ford truck & family history project
FTE Pre61 - dropped tools
FTE Pre61 - Tranny Change & More
Re: FTE Pre61 - H*LP with old family Ford truck & family history project
FTE Pre61 - Frothy radiator coolant

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:29:08 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: FTE Pre61 - C4 Output Shaft

I got adventerous last night and took my truck on the freeway (first time
since the engine swap). After about a mile and a half cruising at 50mph
(stupid 3.91 gears) I suddenly got a hell of a rattle and thick white smoke
pouring from under the truck. A little investigation showed that my tranny
fluid was leaking out the back and getting cooked by the mufflers. Also,
the slip yoke had a lot of up & down and side to side movement that it's
not supposed to have. I'm thinking it probably bent or loosened up.
Either way it's probably toast now. I looked at an exploded diagram of a
C4 and it doesn't look like any real trick to replace the output shaft. If
anyone's done this could you give me some pointers--what to look out for,
etc. Thanks.

~Dan

1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V (Transmission #2 takes a dump)
Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:15:43 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - About Drip Rails

John wrote in concerning the removal of the drip rails on his truck a few
days back. I just want to throw in my two bits: If you remove the drip
rails, what are you going to hook your fingers into when you're resting
your elbow on the door? :-)

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

kyneighbors kih.net


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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 15:15:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - H*LP with old family Ford truck & family history project

Forwarded for: "David P. van De Kerk, KE6GXD"
Contact him, not me!

I am writing to try to get info for a family history project. The trucks in
question were in South Africa during the late 40's/50's. The owners are LONG
dead, we have no idea where the trucks are, but the memories involving them
are still warm. Any and all help would be appreciated.

We're trying to track down one or probably two trucks - one closely
resembles the '46 on the 1915-1950 photos section of the ford-trucks.com web
page except that the wheel was on the other side of the cab. I remember the
split windshield well.

The other truck ... I can't remember if the windshield was split or not.
What I remember was

* it was much too neat for a farm truck - it must have been nearly new

* the bed looked like it was all metal. My best memory of the truck was
looking down on it from an upstairs window - the bed was not wooden and was
all exactly the same color as the body.

Question - did they offer factory bedliners back then? The bed was exactly
the same color as the rest of the truck. This one point is the source of
much argument.

* Looking at pictures I surfed, it looked like a long bed maybe 3/4 ton.

I'm sorry, we don't have any photos of the vehicles or papers or anything.
It was a long time ago and far, far away. The memories are very important
to those involved.

PS - we are Fordnatics, even if we are truck ignorant. I drive a Fairmont,
the wife drives a new Taurus.


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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:49:00 EDT
From: KLaff61624 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - dropped tools

Don, thought this might interest you and some others on the list. To keep
from dropping tools in inaccessible places ei. inside the core of substation
transformers, we take some string and tie the tool to our wrist. If you tie a
loop on the wrist end and pull some of the string through you can easily
remove the tool and easily reattach it without retying the string. Sorry I
could help relying to you saying.
Ken L.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Royal H. Maul"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Tranny Change & More

Last week Tom made a request for information on swapping out the old
un-synchronized 4-speed transmission from a '51 F-3. I'm interested in this
info as well. I have a '50 F-2 and would like to have a synchronized 4 or
5-speed transmission mated up to the flathead V8. I would also like some
info on raising the rear end gear ratio, as it seems awful low (4.11 I think).

If anyone out there can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated.
I'm new at this, but excited! I found the truck in a barn where it had been
stored for 18 years. It is complete and I was able to start it up and drive
it home over 21 miles of back roads. The brakes definetly need some help
and I am working on those right now. Which reminds me, what are some
options in upgrading the braking system on thsi truck?

Thanks a lot for any help you might be able to offer!

Roy at roymaul open.org

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:31:57 -0400
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - H*LP with old family Ford truck & family history project

At 3:15 PM -0400 7/4/98, Ken Payne wrote:
>Forwarded for: "David P. van De Kerk, KE6GXD"
>Contact him, not me!
>
>I am writing to try to get info for a family history project. The trucks in
>question were in South Africa during the late 40's/50's. The owners are LONG
>dead, we have no idea where the trucks are, but the memories involving them
>are still warm. Any and all help would be appreciated.
>
>We're trying to track down one or probably two trucks - one closely
>resembles the '46 on the 1915-1950 photos section of the ford-trucks.com web
>page except that the wheel was on the other side of the cab. I remember the
>split windshield well.
>
>The other truck ... I can't remember if the windshield was split or not.
>What I remember was
>
> * it was much too neat for a farm truck - it must have been nearly new
>
> * the bed looked like it was all metal. My best memory of the truck was
>looking down on it from an upstairs window - the bed was not wooden and was
>all exactly the same color as the body.
>
>Question - did they offer factory bedliners back then? The bed was exactly
>the same color as the rest of the truck. This one point is the source of
>much argument.

Metal beds on pickup trucks were standard on Ford's in the 30's, and as far
as I know, on all Ford trucks. There was a wooden subfloor for the bed, and
often these days people opt to put in polished hardwood subfloor's only
with metal rails between them and leave off the metal bed.

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:58:51 -0400
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Frothy radiator coolant

Our '37 block, '36 cast iron heads, 3.54 rear end (upperwater pumps set up)
froths after driving any distance. If you look into the radiator cap it
looks like the foam on a beer.The heads are 21 studs and Tom resently
torqued them to 40 ft lbs. (we haven't found the torque spec yet.) Should
we torque them to 60 ft lbs? Is the foam a symptom of a defective head
gasket or does this happen with too low a torque setting on the nuts? Also
the radiator cap seems to easily vibrate loose. Should it tighten down
hard? Does anyone know anything about the causes of these symptoms and what
the torque setting should be on the head nuts?
I don't much like driving a giant expresso machine or picking up
the radiator cap off the highway too often. Gillian Teixeira


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