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pre61-list-digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 184



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - drip rails/ rain channel
FTE Pre61 - F250, ID and Wiring
FTE Pre61 - Fire and Explosion
FTE Pre61 - Going to bed
FTE Pre61 - Heater Control Valve
FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity
FTE Pre61 - Pertronix Ignition
Re: FTE Pre61 - I bought a UFO
Re: FTE Pre61 - Pertronix Ignition
FTE Pre61 - dragging brake drum
FTE Pre61 - Engine year
FTE Pre61 - throw-out bearing
Re: FTE Pre61 - Rain Channel '53 F-100
Re: FTE Pre61 - throw-out bearing
Re: FTE Pre61 - Rain Channel '53 F-100
FTE Pre61 - New 99 F150 information
FTE Pre61 - Re: I bought a UFO

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 07:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - drip rails/ rain channel


Well I've about abandoned my ideal to shave the drip rails off the 53.
way too much project for the benefits derived and the risk taken.

Now that this discussion of molding has started and we've determined
that it is or is not a factory option...

where can you find replacement "stuff" ???

My 53 had it originally but it didn't look factory. Anyway, I haven't
seen it in any of the catalogs, except for 56 models and I don't
think that will fit...

any suggestions ???

john
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 05:30:57 PDT
From: "William Casady"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - F250, ID and Wiring

Still trying to ID my "new" old truck, Chuck, a 1954 F250. I can't
locate a VIN plate on the door or in the glove compartment. The title
says the VIN is F25V4K17607. Does anyone know haw to decipher these
numbers? Also, I think I want to rewire Chuck, headlamps,
taillights/turnsignals, etc. What is the best wiring harness I can use?
Where do I get complete info regarding installation and diagrams? I'd
appreciate any feedback this most knowledgable group may have. Thanks.
Just
Plain Bill
&
Chuck the Truck [54F250]

f250fifties hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 07:49:32 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fire and Explosion

>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:12:10 -0700
> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fire and Explosion
>
>
> Oh man, that's horrible.
> It sounds like it might have been too late for an extinguisher, and it's
> a good thing You got away soon enough to avoid serious injury...
>
> Still, I'm a big believer in fire extinguishers... I cary one in each
> of my vehicles, 2 in the house, one in the garage.
> Years ago I stopped along the road and put out a VW fire for some lady,
> but I've never had to use an extinguisher yet on any of my own vehicles.
> I sure hope I never do...
> Sorry to hear about Your loss... glad You escaped uninjured.
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
> '71 F100 flairside, FE390/T-18.
> "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it."
> -- Oscar Wilde
>

Thanks for reminding me about the Fire extinguishers, I have been meaning to get
a larger one for the garage for some time now. I have used them a couple of
times. Once was my fault, bullets and rocks can make a nasty spark in dry grass,
and the other was a motor home with a tranny fire. Don't ask me how but the side
of the transmission was covered with burning fluid. It's one of those pay now or
pay later kind of things.

Thanks
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.



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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 07:56:33 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Going to bed

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:06:04 EDT
> From: RJC988 aol.com
> Subject: Subject: FTE Pre61 - Style side bed
>
> Birken,
>
> I have a '57 with a 6' styleside bed. An article in Classic Trucks magazine a
> few months ago stated that the styleside was developed for the '57 - '60
> models but were revived in 61 when the public stayed away in droves over the
> unibody (I can't believe the look of the old bed on the later trucks worked
> much better). I have seen a '61 - '63 with this bed. It did look out of
> place. The unibodies I've seen looked much better.
>
> I know of a bone yard in Corinth, MS, that has at least 2 of the 6' beds. I
> have not seen any 8'. There is supposed to be some more in the Memphis area
> at another yard, but I have not visited it. If I can do anything to help you
> (I don't know what it would cost or cost to ship!) please let me know.
>
> Glenn in TN
> Soapy the '57 F-100
>
The "ugly" beds were used on 4x4's until 66. The 2 wheel drive beds
didn't have the wheel well clearance for an off road vehicle. Some 1/2
ton 4x4's might have gotten the regular bed. The exception to the rule
is the flair side bed which was used on both 2 and 4 wheel drive trucks.

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:26:08 EDT
From: Dustymtn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Heater Control Valve

Hi Don -

My '55 F100 has a fairly new heater control valve on it...it looks to be in
the correct location based on where the cable passes thru the firewall. The
bracket has three screw holes in a triangular pattern, one on top & two on the
bottom. The valve is located on the upper right hand (passenger) side of the
firewall. The top screw hole is 7/8" below top top flange, and lower screw
hole closest to the outside body panel is 1 5/8" from the body panel flange. I
hope this helps.

Dusty
'55 F100


In a message dated 98-06-28 06:19:03 EDT, you write:



I just bought a Fresh Air heater for Grover, and now I need to know where
the valve is supposed to mount on the firewall. Can any of you owners of
'53 to '55 trucks go out with you tape measures and figure out where I
should put it? Or do you think I'll find the mount holes buried under the
grunge on the firewall?
By the way, this truck has lived with a J.C.Whitney special for some time,
so I don't have much but the factory-installed block-off plate to go by.

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover >>
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:49:11 EDT
From: Dustymtn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity

Thanks to Tero & Abe for their help in identiying the engine in my '55 F100!
Tero, I don't have the manfold removed. I don't see any numbers on the heads
under it using a flashlight. One head has D13 cast into the lower edge
(flange) toward the front.

Abe, the casting numbers on the right (passenger) side below the third plug
are 94W. Any more thoughts & ideas? Again, I very much appreciate your help!

Dusty
'55 F100


Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:01:56 +0300
From: "Tero Saarelainen"
Subject: Vs: FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity

It is probaply 59-60 Edsel or 58-60 Ford 292 Y-Block. What kind of =
cylinder heads it have? You can find casting numbers under the intake =
ports on both ends of the head. If You find them I can tell more about =
Your engine.=20

Tero Saarelainen
Finland
teros dlc.fi
'61 & '62 F-100 Unibody 292 Y-Blocks
'52 Mercury Flathead
'36 Ford Pickup 272 Y-Block


Dusty, I can tell you what your engine is not. The '54-'55 Shop Manual

says the 239 is called EBV or EBW, the 256 is EBZ. The big truck engines

are 279 (EAL) and 317 (EAM).
I am not sure what the numbers after your EBD mean. Look on the right
side of your block, just below plug #3. There you will find a 3 digit
number. This will tell you the year, month and day it was cast.

Eickman's YBlock book has in the back copies of service bulletins. On
p. 105 it has an example of the above mentioned.

Hope this helps.

Abe '54 F-100
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:52:44 EDT
From: Dustymtn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Pertronix Ignition

Does anyone have any experience with the Pertronix ignition system? J.C
Whitney has them on sale for $61.49 in their latest catalog (no. 616-1E).

Dusty
'55 F100
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 11:05:19 CDT
From: paul sparkie.nrri.umn.edu (Paul T. Meysembourg)
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - I bought a UFO

>Hi folks,
>I bought a UFO (un-identified Ford Ornament) from the hood of a 53-56 f-100
>I beleive. It looks like a plane and has the numbers BA 16850 F. Abe
>Stauffer knows exacly where it came from because I got it from him, hoping
>it was an optional factory accessory, which I don't remember seeing. Does
>anyone have any listing as to the optional accessory hood ornaments for
>53-56 and can anyone tell me what the one I have is for. It fits the
>contour of the hood perfectly, but it's a plane, not a bird as I have been
>told they should look like. BTW if anyone has the correct bird for sale at
>a reasonable cost I would be interested.
>
>Thanks
>Ray C

I took one of these off of my 50 F-1 hood a few days ago - yes, the exact
same numbers too. It really looks like it was supposed to fit there as it
fit perfectly. Anyone interested in it can have it if they want it. Send
me a note. By the way, it would probably need to be re-chromed unless you
just wanted to paint it.

Paul M
Duluth, MN
paul sparkie.nrri.umn.edu
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:53:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Pertronix Ignition

Dusty,

I have a Petronix electronic ignition kit and a
Petronix "Flamethrower" coil on my 292. The kit was very easy to install
and it made my truck run better. If you have any other questions please
let me know.


chuy
'63 F100

On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 Dustymtn aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with the Pertronix ignition system? J.C
> Whitney has them on sale for $61.49 in their latest catalog (no. 616-1E).
>
> Dusty
> '55 F100
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
h: 409-775-0737, w: 409-845-4623, fax: 409-845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso



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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:01:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Darcy Lee Davis
Subject: FTE Pre61 - dragging brake drum

A couple weeks ago I replaced all the brake cylinders in my '48 F-68. I
knew the brakes were dragging, but I assumed it was an improperly adjusted
parking brake, since the return stops were backed off all the way.
However, I let all the tension off the park brake cable (disconnected the
right side), but there is still dragging on the drum. I never changed the
eccentric bolts at the bottom of the backing plate, so I don't think
they're a problem. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Darcy Davis 3x48 F-68

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:31:06 -0400
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony P.)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine year

Does anybody know how I can find out what year my motor was produced in ?

The guy I bought the truck from didn't seem to know much about the motor
other than it was a 351 W or so he said . Any information would be
helpful .

Thank You ,
Tony

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:58:47 -0400
From: "Pat Hester"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - throw-out bearing

I believe my throw-out bearing in my 1947 is shot. There is noise coming
from the clutch area which disappears when the clutch is depressed. I have
not removed the tranny from one of these before. Do I need to remove the
tranny and bellhousing as a unit, or can I just unbolt the transmission
itself and get at the bearing. Excuse my ignorance, I am new at this but
would like to do it myself. Is there anything else I should know about
before I tackle the job?? Thanks in advance.
Pat
1947 Ford p/u


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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:14:25 EDT
From: KLaff61624 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Rain Channel '53 F-100

Sorry to differ, but the crome rail does belong on 53 custom cab and came
stock. As to answer your guestion ...again I have to say sorry I but I don't
know how it comes off.

Ken L.
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:23:24 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - throw-out bearing

> I believe my throw-out bearing in my 1947 is shot. There is noise coming
>from the clutch area which disappears when the clutch is depressed. I have
>not removed the tranny from one of these before. Do I need to remove the
>tranny and bellhousing as a unit, or can I just unbolt the transmission
>itself and get at the bearing. Excuse my ignorance, I am new at this but
>would like to do it myself. Is there anything else I should know about
>before I tackle the job?? Thanks in advance.
> Pat
>1947 Ford p/u
>
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It sounds more like the bearing in your transmission :(

Is it full of gear oil?


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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:38:36 EDT
From: MERCS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Rain Channel '53 F-100

I think also that the chrome on the driprails came originally. I have seen
several '53's like that. I have a '55 Custom Cab that has these strips. The
only way that I have found to get them off is to find a hand-type bottle
opener/can opener. The can opener side has a pointed edge to make a
triangular hole in juice cans. The other side is rounded, and is also used to
unseal mason-type jar lids. Wrap some masking tape around the end so as
to not scratch the old trim, if you are wanting to keep it. Start one end
and work a section of about 6 inches a time, just prying little by little
until
it will finally come off.

I have removed the same type of driprail trim on various ford and mercury
vehicles. If you take your time, you can remove it without any damage. I
also do not know where to by new trim. If anyone does, please let me know.
I am missing 1 of the pieces on my '55. Good luck!!!!!



Brian Scott

'55 F100
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:44:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - New 99 F150 information

I got this a couple of days ago and thought some of the list members
would find it useful:

>
>WWW.FordWorldNews.Com will release information on the 99 F-150 on 01
>July
>
>

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:57:53 EDT
From: HAVOC5L aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: I bought a UFO

In a message dated 7/1/98 6:55:14 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-pre61-list-
digest ford-trucks.com writes:


>Hi folks,
>I bought a UFO (un-identified Ford Ornament) from the hood of a 53-56 f-100
>I beleive. It looks like a plane and has the numbers BA 16850 F. Abe
>Stauffer knows exacly where it came from because I got it from him, hoping
>it was an optional factory accessory, which I don't remember seeing. Does
>anyone have any listing as to the optional accessory hood ornaments for
>53-56 and can anyone tell me what the one I have is for. It fits the
>contour of the hood perfectly, but it's a plane, not a bird as I have been
>told they should look like. BTW if anyone has the correct bird for sale at
>a reasonable cost I would be interested.
>
>Thanks
>Ray C
>
We talked about this awile back, I know the one I got came from a 54.
It has the same numbers as yours. My neighbor's has one simular, but
different, the last number (if I remember right) is a 7.

Thats all I know about it.

Rich
54 F100 >>


Hey Ray ...

I have a similar ornament on my 53 F250 i recently bought .. i thought it was
kind of a weird hood ornament bought it must be the original one for the truck
as i got it from the wife of the guy who bought it brand new ... he has been....


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