pre61-list-digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 178



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean & Chevy engines
FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier
FTE Pre61 - Pivot Pin
Vs: FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity
FTE Pre61 - Running board responses
Re: FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier
Re: FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier
FTE Pre61 - Re: YBlock ID
FTE Pre61 - '54 F-100 for Sale
FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and YBlock engine color!!!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:46:38 -0700
From: Mel
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean & Chevy engines

I don't usually have the time to respond to the list, however, I have
seen the Chevy debate come up so many times. I have been involved with
street rods since the mid 50's. (yeh, I'm an old fart) My first car was
a 40 Ford Deluxe coupe. I bought it when I was 14 in 1958 for $75. The
V8-60 had already been replaced with a 59AB and it was running pretty
good. I tuned it up knowing that it was going to be replaced with an
overhead in the future, but I had other things to do first. I have
always been a "clean" nut and decided to do the kerosene/oil clean out
to the flathead. DON"T DO IT!! It cleans the engine and also cleans
your compression and oil rings. If they aren't in good shape to begin
with you will blow oil and smoke out in great volumes though your
exhaust system.
On to the Chevy engines in Fords. We all must remember when Hot Rodding
began, Ford did not make a good OHV V8. Model A', 32 Dueces, the cool
33/34 Fords and of course my 40 Ford were all getting Chevy 265's, 327's
and 283's. They were the hottest thing around. They were light, about
the same weight as a 59AB and MOVED!!! Not to mention cheap and
reliable. Before I put the Chevy in, I tried a 53 Olds engine, also a
good hot rod engine in those days. Very heavy and alot of torque.
Great for breaking axle keys and didn't wind out too well. So I tried
the Chevy. I ended up showing the Ford and took many trophies on the
1/4 mile and shows. I did end up with a Chrysler Hemi with Hilborn
injection.(Can't find a better looking engine) Anyway, after all this
is said and done, today there is no reason to put a Chevy engine in a
Ford, especially an f100. With the great 289's and 351's, not to
mention the big blocks built by Ford I see no reason to run a Chevy.
Just my opinion and hopefully a little explanation as to why we started
putting chevy's in Fords years ago. Ford Cars were cool, ford engines
weren't. Chevy cars didn't get cool until 55 and we couldn't afford
them.
Mel 53-F100, 70 El Camino, 67 Vette, 33 5 Window (with 289) 95 Harley,
94 Ski Brendella (with 351) pulls out 9 skiers no problem.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:00:39 -0500
From: Ricardo Pinzon
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier

I am almost finished restoring a 1948 Ford Pickup Truck. I am looking
for the spare tire carrier (With bolts and nuts if possible). Can anyone
help me with sources where I might find it?

Thanks

Ricardo
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:45:17 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Pivot Pin

Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between trucks with an
automatic as opposed to a standard trans? Did Ford use a different
length pivot pin for the brake and clutch pedals? I have looked at
several catalogs and haven't found any differences. Did they use the
same pin and just put a spacer on it in place of a clutch pedal on the
trucks with auto's?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:01:56 +0300
From: "Tero Saarelainen"
Subject: Vs: FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity

It is probaply 59-60 Edsel or 58-60 Ford 292 Y-Block. What kind of =
cylinder heads it have? You can find casting numbers under the intake =
ports on both ends of the head. If You find them I can tell more about =
Your engine.=20

Tero Saarelainen
Finland
teros dlc.fi
'61 & '62 F-100 Unibody 292 Y-Blocks
'52 Mercury Flathead
'36 Ford Pickup 272 Y-Block

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From: Dustymtn aol.com
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 7:45 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine Identity


>I could really use help identifying the engine in my '55 F100. I've =
looked in
>every book I have & nothing discusses casting numbers...engines are =
only
>identified by the VIN. It is a Y-block & has what appears to be a stock
>4-barrel manifold with a late-model Holley carburetor.
>
>The casting number above the oil filter is EBD 8015E.
>
>Thanks for your help!
>
>Dusty Dodge
>'55 F100
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:47:20 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Running board responses

Thanks for all the responses ref running boards.

I have the complete bottom mount spare tire package I removed from my 55
panel. All I have to do is find it. FYI: It mounts same as the one on
my 76 pickup; actually, I used the main section on my 76 until recently.
I'll try to find the original hanger bolts in the garage.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:59:34 EDT
From: Fordf3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier

There is a guy in Jackson NJ....1/2 ton fun....he will have it....if you need
his number email me dont have it right here
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:02:59 EDT
From: Fordf3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Spare Tire Carrier

Couldnt think of his name its Bob Seltzam....really knows his trucks
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:42:47 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: YBlock ID

>I could really use help identifying the engine in my '55 F100. I've >looked in every book I have & nothing discusses casting >numbers...engines are only

>identified by the VIN. It is a Y-block & has what appears to be a stock

>4-barrel manifold with a late-model Holley carburetor.



>The casting number above the oil filter is EBD 8015E.



Dusty, I can tell you what your engine is not. The '54-'55 Shop Manual

says the 239 is called EBV or EBW, the 256 is EBZ. The big truck engines

are 279 (EAL) and 317 (EAM).
I am not sure what the numbers after your EBD mean. Look on the right
side of your block, just below plug #3. There you will find a 3 digit
number. This will tell you the year, month and day it was cast.

Eickman's YBlock book has in the back copies of service bulletins. On
p. 105 it has an example of the above mentioned.



Hope this helps.

Abe '54 F-100

PS: on p.17 there is a reference to an "EDB". This is a '57 292 used in

cars.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:53:38 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '54 F-100 for Sale

Hey Truck Lovers,
Yes, a '54 F-100 for sale. No, not mine! I saw this in our local Auto
locater. It reads: excellent condition, one owner, great mechanical
condition, no serious rust. $5,500 firm. 814-765-3896
This is located in Clearfield, PA (in North Central PA) just off
Interstate 80. I called the owner and he said it is a 6 cyl. It only has
60,000 miles on it. An old couple owned it, the husband died, the wife
kept it for sentimental reasons, drove it occaissionally, she died and
the son sold it to the guy who is now selling it.
Worth a call if your in the market for a stock truck!
Abe Stauffer
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:31:45 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and YBlock engine color!!!

Greetings,
It was great to meet Howard and his wife and to see his immaculate
truck! I don't know what the judges were looking for but I heard more
comments about Howard's truck than any other in the competition! You can
take your air brushed, sparkling, bed lifted, naked lady paint jobs. As
for me a truck like Howard's is much more appealing. I think it is
harder to restore to Stock than to do it up wild.
Howard, After I left you I bought a '54 Ford color sales brochure from
the ad place under the shade tree. Probably similar to the '55 brochure
you bought.
Now, For Don Neighbors, Rich Garber and others who have been in on our
discussions in the past about engine colors, I think I might have the
answer!! In searching for the stock color for my '54 239 YBlock I have
heard many answers. Most were yellow block with silver valve covers and
the rest black. Only one person said red. Rich Garber said his '54 6
cyl. was red. I thought, well maybe 6 cyl were red but everyone else
said yellow/white/manilla so mine must have been yellow too. (Don did
write once that he had 2 YBLocks, one yellow, one red but didn't know
the years).
I steam cleaned the engine and firewall a couple of weeks ago and red
paint appeared on the plate beneath the intake manifold. You see the
mechanic that rebuilt the engine in 1977 painted every thing blue. So
I'm thinking my engine is not as original as I thought, it must have had
some car parts on it! When I saw the '54 color brochure I was
astonished! Howard's '55 brochure showed all the engines as being
yellow as his truck engine is. The '54 brochure had all the engines (223
6 cyl., 239, 256, 279, and the 317 8 cylinders) red! with silver colored
(argent gray) valve covers, and air cleaner, oil filler cap, exhaust
manifolds, fan, generator, etc. being black. The transmission is also
red.
Guys, just take a look at the black and white photos in Eickman's
YBlock book on p.13 and compare the '54 car engine and the '54 truck
engine. We know the car engine was painted an ivory color, with red
valve covers and air cleaner. Does the truck engine next to it look
ivory or yellow? Now look at the 239 on p. 43 of the '54-55 shop manual.
I know it is a black and white drawing but the shading matches the
color in the YBlock book!!!!
If any one can confirm or refute this let me know. But it looks like
the truck engines in '54 were red and in '55 and '56 they were yellow!
Buying this brochure was well worth the trip to Carlisle. It has
answered a long standing question that no one in my contact could
answer, including the Henry Ford Museum and the Ford Motor Co!
Abe, owner of a red (under blue) 239 '54 F-100
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