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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Halogen Lights
FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights
FTE Pre61 - Paint
Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen Lights
Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights
FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean out truck?
FTE Pre61 - stolen truck
Re: FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean out truck?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights
FTE Pre61 - Re: Jeep Question
Re: FTE Pre61 - Transmission and differential Identification.
Re: FTE Pre61 - Chassis paint:
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Jeep Question
FTE Pre61 - Dual exhausts on flathead.
Re: FTE Pre61 - Dual exhausts on flathead.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:09:15 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Halogen Lights

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:29:37 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Halogen Lights

Steve from Canada wrote: "I noticed in my local parts store that

they have
replacement sealed beams (for a 2 light system) that are halogen. I was

thinking of replacing my headlights with these. They say that they are
about 3 times brighter. Has anyone had experience with these lights?"
I use halogen lights on my '54, and I am amazed at their ability

to
illuminate the passenger cabins of oncoming vehicles! :-) Seriousl, I
started using halogen lights on my cars some time back, after buying a
more
modern vehicle that used them. Halogens last longer (at least twice as
long
as standard sealed beams) and they light up the 20 odd miles of twisties

I
drive every day very well. Go to halogens, and never turn back!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the
most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

kyneighbors kih.net

Steve don't forget about Steve D's headlight wireing upgrade.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/relay/?892435835

I just finished it up Saturday and it did wonders for my headlights. I
already installed halogen lights about 6 months ago but didn't notice
much improvement. Now with some nice clean power to the lights I can
see things before I get to them ;)
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:23:35 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights

To those us you who are thinking about halogen headlights, consider before
you do:

In some states is illegal to put halogen headlights in a vehicle that did
not have them as original equipment. You may have to remove them or pay
fine if you get caught with them. 8 (

The Halogen headlights draw more current than a standard headlight, which
puts a bigger load on the switch and wiring on an older vehicle and cause
failures of these components. 8 (

Neither of these is a major problem, unless the light switch fails at a bad
time or causes an under dash fire, but both have happened to people on
other mailing lists (the failures, not the fires that I know of), but just
so you know, it ain't all gravy when you do it. Actually just cleaning up
or replacing the old wiring and grounding of the existing headlights and
charging system will make the lights of any vehicle quite good. 8 )

Regards,
Roger Meier

40 coupe
47 picku
48 8N tractor
63 T-bird
65 Mustang conv
85 pickup
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:24:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Paint

Forwarded for:

Hi folks,

I tried to post a web address about painting and messed up the post. Well
here goes again.... If you are interested in painting your truck or need
information on paints and prep. work there is a web site that I think will
nterest you. It is located at
www.horizonweb.com/wwwboard/Spray_101/wwwboard.html
I hope you like that site as well as I did. It has a question and answer
format and it shows some of the topics that have been discussed over the last
several month.

Ken L.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:42:39 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen Lights

Steve from Canada wrote:
>"I noticed in my local parts store that they have
>replacement sealed beams (for a 2 light system) that are halogen. I was
>thinking of replacing my headlights with these. They say that they are
>about 3 times brighter. Has anyone had experience with these lights?"

Don wrote:
> don't forget about Steve D's headlight wireing upgrade.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/relay/?892435835
>
>I just finished it up Saturday and it did wonders for my headlights. I
>already installed halogen lights about 6 months ago but didn't notice
>much improvement. Now with some nice clean power to the lights I can
>see things before I get to them ;)

Steve says:
Dons experiance sounds like mine. I upgraded to halogens long ago, but
was disapointed. They were brighter than the regular bulbs, but not
near as much as I expected. They certainly were not the "300% brighter"
the box claimed they were. More like 30% brighter. )-:
When I did the relay conversion I found my other 270%...

Halogens rely on very high filament temperatures to get good light output,
and filament temp drops off very quickly with small reductions in voltage.
The difference between 12.6 volts and 10 volts makes an immense difference
in light outout.

How much differnce does it really make You ask?
Well, today I bought a new Sylvania H6024XV light to replace a broken one
on my truck, so I devised a quick experiment.
I hooked up the lamp to an adjustable power supply so I could apply any
voltage I want to it and monitor it with a DVM. I taped a white card to the
wall and pointed the headlamp at the card from a distance of 8'.
Then I mounted a Sekonic incident light meter on a tripod so I could
read the brightness of the light reflected from the card. Took a few data
points at various voltages and got the following:

Percentage of full light output at various voltages, with 12.6 volts
being "100%" :

12.6v = 100%
11.5v = 75%
10.3v = 50%
8.7v = 25%

Egads, at 10.3volts they only put out 1/2 of their full light output!

The highbeam current on a 65w bulb is about 5.15 amps, 2 bulbs makes 10.3amps
Consider that if the *total* resistance of all the wire, connectors, headlight
switch and dimmer switch is equal to only 0.3 ohms (which isn't very much!),
than with 10.3 amps flowing thru the circuit you will loose 3.09 volts in the
wire and switches.
So, with a battery voltage of 12.6, the bulbs only see 9.5 volts.
That's over 1/2 of Your potential light output thrown away right up front!
The voltage loss on my '71 wiring was about 3 volts before I did the relays,
now it's about 0.4 volts.

Definately You should go with the halogens, but if You find You still want
more light, than I highly recommend the relays.

I better go put my new bulb in now...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:56:55 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights

Roger wrote:
>To those us you who are thinking about halogen headlights, consider before
>you do:
>
>In some states is illegal to put halogen headlights in a vehicle that did
>not have them as original equipment. You may have to remove them or pay
>fine if you get caught with them. 8 (
>
>The Halogen headlights draw more current than a standard headlight, which
>puts a bigger load on the switch and wiring on an older vehicle and cause
>failures of these components. 8 (

Oh yeah, that's the other advantage of using the headlight relays.
It reduces the load on the headlight and dimmer switches and the underdash
wiring from about 10 amps to about 0.25 amps.
Possibly a reduction in fire hazard, plus the reduced load on the headlight
switch eliminates the "flashing headlights" syndrome that's so common with
old Ford headlight switches.

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:16:06 -0600
From: "Joe Michels"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean out truck?

My neighbor was telling me about using kerosene to clean out an engine.
According to him, drain the oil, put in about 1/2 gal of kerosene in the
oil filler tube, run the engine at idle--no more than idle until the you
hear the tappets click. Drain and repeat. According to him, about the
second time around, the engine is as clean as new. Anybody have any
experience with this? Do I want to do this with 52 F1 Flathead 8 engine?
If I do, what, if any liability do I incur? I wonder about this, however,
he tells me tht he has rebuilt several old cars and never had a problem
with this? What do you guys thinK?

Joe

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 3:56 PM
>
> Roger wrote:
> >To those us you who are thinking about halogen headlights, consider
before
> >you do:
> >
> >In some states is illegal to put halogen headlights in a vehicle that
did
> >not have them as original equipment. You may have to remove them or pay
> >fine if you get caught with them. 8 (
> >
> >The Halogen headlights draw more current than a standard headlight,
which
> >puts a bigger load on the switch and wiring on an older vehicle and
cause
> >failures of these components. 8 (
>
> Oh yeah, that's the other advantage of using the headlight relays.
> It reduces the load on the headlight and dimmer switches and the
underdash
> wiring from about 10 amps to about 0.25 amps.
> Possibly a reduction in fire hazard, plus the reduced load on the
headlight
> switch eliminates the "flashing headlights" syndrome that's so common
with
> old Ford headlight switches.
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
>
> Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
> leans on the doorbell.
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:21:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - stolen truck

Forwarded for: "Frank Kayser"

Could you please post a notice for me...
on wednesday my 1994 F350 dually turbo-diesel was stolen in the
Ottawa, Ontario area. The plate reads "MR FIX" could anyone who sees
this truck please mail me Phazer15 Hotmail.com or Fkayser Sprint.ca

Thanks i love my truck and would love to get it back...
"Frank Kayser"


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:43:18 -0400
From: "C. Greenlaw"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Kerosene to clean out truck?

Joe Michels wrote:

> My neighbor was telling me about using kerosene to clean out an engine.
> According to him, drain the oil, put in about 1/2 gal of kerosene in the
> oil filler tube, run the engine at idle--no more than idle until the you
> hear the tappets click. Drain and repeat. According to him, about the
> second time around, the engine is as clean as new. Anybody have any
> experience with this? Do I want to do this with 52 F1 Flathead 8 engine?
> If I do, what, if any liability do I incur? I wonder about this, however,
> he tells me tht he has rebuilt several old cars and never had a problem
> with this? What do you guys thinK?
>

This old saw gets dragged out so often, you'd think it would cut something.
Think of some 40 years of sludge in a engine with no oil filter to speak of,
suddenly dropped loose into what are supposed to be precision fit parts. At the
same time this happens, the lubrication value drops to near that of rusty
water, while several hundred PSI of hot gas is expanded 5 times a second. I'd
MUCH rather use vasolene in my oil pump than put 1 pint of kerosene in any
engine I wanted to keep. I just marvels me how these "old timer mechanics" ever
got old. What do do think makes a solid lifter start to "click" anyway?

There are BOLD mechanics, and OLD mechanics, BUT..... There are no OLD, BOLD
mechanics.


> 47Fred



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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:09 +2000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Halogen headlights

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Monday, 22 June 98, Roger Meier wrote:

> To those us you who are thinking about halogen headlights, consider before
> you do:

> In some states is illegal to put halogen headlights in a vehicle that did
> not have them as original equipment. You may have to remove them or pay
> fine if you get caught with them. 8 (

> The Halogen headlights draw more current than a standard headlight, which
> puts a bigger load on the switch and wiring on an older vehicle and cause
> failures of these components. 8 (

> Neither of these is a major problem, unless the light switch fails at a bad
> time or causes an under dash fire, but both have happened to people on
> other mailing lists (the failures, not the fires that I know of), but just
> so you know, it ain't all gravy when you do it. Actually just cleaning up
> or replacing the old wiring and grounding of the existing headlights and
> charging system will make the lights of any vehicle quite good. 8 )

Roger, this is good advice. I think there is an article on the FTE
web site (http://www.ford-trucks.com) on how to fix up the wiring on
you headlights. Putting relays in the system right up near the
headlights should help tons and make halogens safe.

Regarding the legality, most cops would be more likely to pull you
over just to get a closer look at your rig (sans ticket). As long as
they are aimed properly, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
1987 Ford F250 5.0L 2WD "Ugly Truckling" aka "Optimus Primer"

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:50:44 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Jeep Question

I am and have been for some time now been a member of "Ford Truck Enthusiast"
page, my question is; does any one know of a Jeep Cherokee page similar to
this format. My other project is a 1988 Cherokee. This FORD page has always
been helpful and I need a source of information about Jeep's

Thank

Tom
53 F1 Flathead
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:51:26 EDT
From: KLaff61624 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Transmission and differential Identification.

Clutch grabbing is caused by oil on the clutch surface.

Ken L.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:14:24 EDT
From: KLaff61624 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Chassis paint:

Spray
Painting 101 WWWBoard is an excellent place for all your painting
informational needs and questions.

Ken L
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:32:36 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Jeep Question

>I am and have been for some time now been a member of "Ford Truck Enthusiast"
>page, my question is; does any one know of a Jeep Cherokee page similar to
>this format. My other project is a 1988 Cherokee. This FORD page has always
>been helpful and I need a source of information about Jeep's
>
>Thank
>
>Tom
>53 F1 Flathead
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Ford people don't like Jeeps, they don't have chevy engines :-)


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:53:51 EDT
From: Brechtjohn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Dual exhausts on flathead.

I asked this question not long ago and no one responded.
Does anyone have any thoughts on dual exhausts for a flathead?

Headers? Are they necessary?
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:10:18 EDT
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