pre61-list-digest Thursday, June 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 165



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In this issue:

YBlock ID
Dot 5 Brake Fluid Turning into sand when burned
Radiator Fluid and Motor Questions
Ford 9" and Gear ratios
Re: Dot 5 Brake Fluid Turning into sand when burned
Update on the California Get Together.
re: exhaust pipes for 41 engine
Need help on suspension for 53F250
Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination
Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination
Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination
Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination
Classic Trucks Mag
12 Volts and Ford Tractors
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:29:09 -0400
From: "Neal B. Forbes"
Subject: YBlock ID

To John Hoke,
Your YBlock part number is cast into the block on the under side of the
driver's bank of cylinders, near the oil filter. You'll have to climb
under the truck to see it. Take some degreaser, a toothbrush, a rag and a
flashlight. It will have the form xxx-xxxx-x. The EGB code you are
seeing, I think, is a casting ID for the head. From the reference I have,
block casting codes have the form xxx-x. If you will post these numbers, I
can look them up and get you in a ballpark. My references are for car
motors, but I'm sure we can get you the cubic inches and horsepower ratings
family. Neal Forbes

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:40:43 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: Dot 5 Brake Fluid Turning into sand when burned

Folks,

I hate to do this but I can't help myself from
trying to resurrect this thread. The thought of
Dot 5 (Silicone) based brake fluid turning into
sand and getting into the engine cylinders has been
haunting me.

If this stuff turns into sand when heated how is it
that they make synthetic motor oils out of the stuff?

And what's the relationship (if any) between silicon
(the stuff they make glass out of) and silicone (the
stuff they make caulk and lubricants out of)? And
lastly, what does this thread have to do with Pre-61
Ford trucks?

Does anyone out there really know the story? I looked
at my can of the stuff and didn't see a product
information line.

Thanks for your indulgence.

Alec

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:50:53 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Radiator Fluid and Motor Questions

Hello All,

I need some input from the motor guys. My 54 223 6cyl. has
been sitting waiting for the day it can live again. Well,
the time is getting close.

Has any one used some of the high tech antifreeze thats
available? This truck will sit more than drive, I would
like to protect it as much as possible. The radiator has
been recored, and the block cleaned out.

Also, I spun the oil pump with a drill. It seemed to spin
very easy at first and then there seemed to be some resistance.
Does that mean the pump is now primed? It has SAE 30 oil in it.

I had the motor apart, checked everything, and replaced all the
gaskets. I didn't touch the push rod adjustment. Since I replaced
the head gasket, do I now need to to adjust the rocker arms for
valve clearance? The manual I have says the motor should be
warmed up first, before the adjustments are made. This is impossible,
so how do I proceed? I would hate to bend a push rod right off the bat.

Thanks,

Rich
54 F100

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:28 -0500
From: Stephen Hansen
Subject: Ford 9" and Gear ratios

At the suggestion of one of our list members, He said that a 67-71 (or
there abouts) F-100 F150 9" is a direct bolt in to the 48-50 F-1. Has
anyone ever actually done this? I found a '70 F-150 9" at the junkyard
(OOPS, Auto Parts Recycling Center) for $150, Is this a fair price?
Also, I have a close enough to stock setup (merc V-8, and Merc 3 spd O/D
trans) What gear ratio would/should I look for. I might as well talk the
yard owner out of swapping out the gears at the same time I get the rear
end--could save a few dollars. When installing the gears is it really as
easy as I have been lead to believe? Anything to look out for? Anyone
ever put a 9" under a stock truck and what did you learn?
Besides being the easiset to change, what is the specifics to the 9"..
(limited slip, posi, plain ol rear end..)?
Other things I plan to do with this Rear End is Dics brakes and redrill
the bolt pattern to match the pattern on the front.
Thanks for any Ideas--suggestions
Steve
50 F-1

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:40:28 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: Dot 5 Brake Fluid Turning into sand when burned

>Folks,
>
>I hate to do this but I can't help myself from
>trying to resurrect this thread. The thought of
>Dot 5 (Silicone) based brake fluid turning into
>sand and getting into the engine cylinders has been
>haunting me.
>
>If this stuff turns into sand when heated how is it
>that they make synthetic motor oils out of the stuff?
>
>And what's the relationship (if any) between silicon
>(the stuff they make glass out of) and silicone (the
>stuff they make caulk and lubricants out of)? And
>lastly, what does this thread have to do with Pre-61
>Ford trucks?
>
>Does anyone out there really know the story? I looked
>at my can of the stuff and didn't see a product
>information line.
>
>Thanks for your indulgence.
>
>Alec

It definitely turns to sand. You have to heat it for about 6-1/2 minutes at
1207 degrees. First it turns into silica gel, then to sand. Trust me. Note
however, this only happens on a full moon. Thanks for the liberty to
indulge.

Ray C

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:40:17 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Update on the California Get Together.

Hello List Members.

I am sending this update on the CA Get together to all of the lists.

First I would like to thank Pat Brown for taking the time to research, and
send me a list of possible activities.

This list was forwarded to Deacon, (from the 61-79 List, who lives in CA).
Deacon spent a lot of time researching Pat's list, and searching for other
activities we could attend. Unfortunately Deacon did not find much for
Truck related events. Most of them were for cars. So Deacon sent me the
following message.

Deacon Message to Keith

Hi Keith.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I checked out the places
Pat suggested and though some of the ones that weren't just Mustang related
looked like fun, none of them were truck related. I tried to look at it
objectively because I didn't want to reject an idea because it wasn't in
So. Ca. and I don't think I did. If there was a Harley show, sure you and I
would have a blast but would anyone else. So no matter what the event some
of the people would come just to meet with other members. If the event had
nothing to do for a family no ones wife or kids would want to come with
them. I looked for something with it in mind, if there wasn't something
that was Ford truck or American truck related that was big enough to get
and keep people interested it wouldn't be worth doing. I tried to find a
west coast Ford Nat's and there isn't anything to compare with PF in
California. I was at my wits end and ready to throw in the towel. It had
been 2 days and knew I had
to send you something or you might think I'd lost interest in helping. Last
night I gave in, there was nothing happening I thought would be the right
environment for our west coast get together. Not wanting to give in, this
morning I sat here in front of my computer ready to send you one of two
messages "I've got it" or "I give up" so here it is.
I've got it! :) FTE's Weekend at Disneyland! There's an airport with
shuttle service, hotels, dining, things to keep a family happy and plenty
of local attractions to get us in trouble. We can plan it so it doesn't
conflict with PF or other holidays. We can and make our own day. It can be
"FTE's annual weekend at Disneyland" so people can make plans.

End of Deacon's Message to Keith

I know some of you will say, "What does going to Disneyland have to do with
Ford Trucks." For one, I am sure some of the list members will be able to
drive to Disneyland. This would give us a close-up look at some of their
modifications to their Trucks. After attending the show in Pigeon Forge, I
am confident that the simple fact of meeting some of these people face to
face, would also include a lot of Truck talk. This would also give us
time to socialize a little with each other and discuss other topics as
well, one being, what else could we do to make the list more enjoyable and
useful for everyone. What it takes to brew beer at home, (one of the list
members, that I talk to off list, has a very nice setup for brewing beer at
home). I am sure there are other list members that converse off list about
different things.

Now, as far as when to have this get together. I am going to pick a
weekend. October 3rd and 4th. Now I know some of you may not be able to
make it this weekend. But that is going to happen no matter what weekend
this event is planned for. This is similar to what Pat Ford does with the
Pigeon Forge show, He picks a weekend, and everybody plans around it.

More details about the get together will follow later.

Now if anyone has any complaints or comments, please send them to me off
list. My Email Address is herbie netvalue.net

I would also like to thank Deacon and Ken for their help with this.

Thanks!

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:44:01 -0400
From: Chris Shepherd
Subject: re: exhaust pipes for 41 engine

We have a 1947 Ford Pickup that we are restoring. It has a 1941 v8
engine from a car for the powerplant. The question is this: what
exhaust pipes do we use? We currently have a exhaust pipe with ford
part number 11a-5245 which was ordered from Mac's Auto Parts. This
pipe fits 1941 car engines. What crossover pipe do we need to match up
with the exhaust pipe mentioned above?

Thanks for any and all help!

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:57:17 EDT
From: HAVOC5L aol.com
Subject: Need help on suspension for 53F250

Hi , my name is Troy .
I am a new comer to this list . i just bought a 53 Ford F250 and want to
turn it into a nice daily driver and occasional pull vehicle . Here is my
problem .... I want to convert the front end suspension to a reliable format
and would like to keep it ford parts if I can ... i also would like to know
what can be done with the rear end as well .

On a diffrent note i am also gonna get rid of the straight 6 and drop in a
351W and c6 .. if anyone has and tips or other info related to the convertion
i would really appreaciate it.. The 6cyl. that is currently in my truck runs
well and the tranny is good too so if anyone is looking for one i have one to
get rid of !!

Troy Karjala A.K.A HAVOC5L aol.com
Crystal MN
81 Mustang LX 84 F150 4x4 83 Mustang L converted to 5L and newest
53F250
Thanx again !

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:47:59 EDT
From: GARYAMIS aol.com
Subject: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination

Count me in as a Ford truck and tractor owner. I have a 51 F-1 driver and a 50
F-1 in pieces. I pull a haywagon full of kids around the farm with my 51 8N.
Maybe if enough of us show some interest in talking about Ford tractors Ken
can expanded his empire and add a catagory for tractor chat.

I also found this website through the Ford V-8 Club's magazine. Now I can get
my daily fix of truck talk without leaving my house! I'm sure there are all
sorts of people across this great land that have already faced some of the
same problems I'm experiencing with my trucks and they can steer me in the
right direction.

Speaking of steering, my 51 F-1's front end will go into a violent shimmy if I
hit a bump or rut in the road. The shaking starts at the wheels and the
oscillation seems to run up the steering column.When I figure the steering
wheel is going to come off in my hands I slow down quickly. It makes for an
interesting ride on a country gravel road.

I've jacked up the front end and checked for play in the king pins, tie rod
ends and drag link, nothing seems loose. The steering box adjusting screw
seems tight. The tires are 6.50 X 16 's and the tread is good. I'd appreciate
any ideas from the F-1 wizards in the audience.

Flatheads Forever!

Gary

P.S. 100,000 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle riders are in Milwaukee this weekend
for the factory's 95th anniversary. If you like leather and chrome this is the
place to be.
Think we could muster 100,000 trucks at a Ford plant?

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:14:24 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination

At 05:47 PM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Count me in as a Ford truck and tractor owner. I have a 51 F-1 driver and
a 50
>F-1 in pieces. I pull a haywagon full of kids around the farm with my 51 8N.
>Maybe if enough of us show some interest in talking about Ford tractors Ken
>can expanded his empire and add a catagory for tractor chat.

Before you guys get to carried away with another mailing list here, check
out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atis.net/, Antique Tractor Internet Services. This site
offers a Ford-Ferguson Mailing List that I Think would cover the 8N Tractors.


Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:29:03 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination

At 05:47 PM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Count me in as a Ford truck and tractor owner. I have a 51 F-1 driver and
a 50
>F-1 in pieces. I pull a haywagon full of kids around the farm with my 51 8N.
>Maybe if enough of us show some interest in talking about Ford tractors Ken
>can expanded his empire and add a catagory for tractor chat.

Before you guys get to carried away with another mailing list here, check
out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atis.net/, Antique Tractor Internet Services. This site
offers a Ford-Ferguson Mailing List that I Think would cover the 8N Tractors.

I forgot some thing the first time around. I am on the Farmall List and
find it to be a lot like the Ford Trucks Mailing list. Several
knowledgeable people who aren't afraid to help others out.

Sorry for the non-FTE content, but Ken already has a very large to do list,
and doesn't need any more stuff to do.




Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:20:28 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford Trucks,Ford Tractors a natural combination

In a message dated 98-06-10 17:49:23 EDT, you write:


hit a bump or rut in the road. The shaking starts at the wheels and the
oscillation seems to run up the steering column.When I figure the steering
wheel is going to come off in my hands I slow down quickly. It makes for an
interesting ride on a country gravel road.

I've jacked up the front end and checked for play in the king pins, tie rod
ends and drag link, nothing seems loose. The steering box adjusting screw
seems tight. The tires are 6.50 X 16 's and the tread is good. I'd appreciate
any ideas from the F-1 wizards in the audience.
>>

*** The steering box adjusting screw seems tight ***

Well, that's just not good enough! And that may very well be where the
problem lies. A little extra free play in the box and the rest of the
suspension can go crazy. On my '51 the screw is tight, but that's because it
is pushing the sector against the side of the housing. It can't take up all
the play between the screw and the sector. You need a Ford book to explain
the adjustment procedure, but if you're out of adjustment, you need a new
shaft and sector. No fun, and not cheap.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:21:23 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Classic Trucks Mag

Forwarded for: Stephen Hansen


Ken Saw your letter im the Magazine yesterday. Great Idea. I s*bscribe
to all the old truck magazines and I think them and their advertisers
need better WWW exposure.
Keep up the great work!
Steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:17:10 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: 12 Volts and Ford Tractors

One of y'all wrote that Ford changed over to 12 volts, negative ground in
1954. Actually, that change occured in 1956, or somebody forgot to tell my
truck! I changed my '54's 6 volt, postive ground system over to 12 volts
negative earlier this year.
And Steve wrote: "Just to deviate from the focus of the group for a
minute, how many more Ford tractor guy's are there? We can go off line
after we identify ourselves."
Well, I don't currently own an N series Ford tractor, but I WAAAAAANT one!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:06:09 -0400
From: "Barry N. Ritter"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

57-thru-60 tailgates (in good condition, for a style-side) are not readily
available...I have never
seen an "aftermarket" version...I have a 58 & 60 F100 and a 60 F250...I am
restoring my sb
60 F100...I was at Pigeon Forge and did see a couple of good condition
tailgates for sale...they
were asking "way-too-much" ($375-$400) though...I don't know where you
live...but you might
try the "All-Truck" show and swap in Carlisle Pa. the weekend of 6/19...they
always have a fair
selection (from severely dented to perfect condition)...

If anyone is interested...I have a perfect (and I mean perfect) 8' style-side
bed for a 57-60...it
will also fit on 61-64 trucks that used that type of bed...I'll be at
Carlisle...I'll sell it for $565 or
a trade for a good bed that will fit on a 66 F250 "Camper Special"....

B.N. Ritter

Ken Payne wrote:

> At 11:17 PM 6/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >O.E.M. only ( aftermarket in such an obvious place is unacceptable ) ;-)
> >
>
> I guess you haven't seen some of the stuff produced? If you were
> at the Pigeon Forge show you'd appreciate that the quality of
> aftermarket often exceeds orginal. Garry Bowling on the 61-79
> has an aftermarket tail-gate on his 67, looks perfect. Besides,
> Ford obsoleted this stuff decades ago, there is **no** OEM, except
> NOS and very little of that! If you hope to put only Ford on that
> truck, you'll be waiting a long time!
>
> >Cdalep aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan, you can get a catalogue for parts (like a tailgate) from Auto
> Krafters
> >> Inc at www.auto krafters. com . Hope this helps.
> >> Cliff
> >
>
> = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ==============================================....


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