pre61-list-digest Saturday, June 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 160



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Silicon Brake Fluid
RE: FTE Pre61 - DOT 5 and other brake fluids
RE: FTE Pre61 - Cover for '53
Re: FTE Pre61 - Silicon Brake Fluid
Re: FTE Pre61 - '58 Parts
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed
Tom Nickolson RE: Rear End 52 F1
12 volt system
12 volt system
Self-adjusting Brakes
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8
RE: FTE Pre61 - DOT 5 and other brake fluids
driving my dream truck - reality or pipe dream?

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:01:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Silicon Brake Fluid

After readind the article at www.muller.net I still think I'll stay with
DOT 5. I'm runnng everthing new in the brakes so I shouldn't have any
problem switching to it.
Everybody have a good day.
Mike M.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:41:09 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - DOT 5 and other brake fluids

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Cardogno [SMTP:abcinc tiac.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:43 AM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - DOT 5 and other brake fluids
>
> >
> >DOT 5 fluid>>
> > You''ll find an excellent discussion of silicone fluid (DOT 5) and
> others at
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.muller.net/karting/docs/technical/brfluid.html. Stick
> with the HD
> >DOT 3 or DOT 4.
>
> You mean I should have saved the money and time spent on DOT 5 and
> done
> better things? :o
>
> I'm gonna stick to the original brakes on my next F-100 truck and
> maybe get
> a centrifugal clutch instead :-)
>
> Sorry, I shan't say another word about how wonderful my relationship
> has
> been with DOT 5.
>
> Ray C

[Alec Fernandez Says:]
Ray,

I've got a buddy who replaced his brake fluid with vaseline and
claims it works great! %^).... Tough crowd huh?

The only knock on Dot 5 fluid is that is more compressible at
very high temps. This is not an issue with drum brakes. Your brakes
would be gone long before you reached such high temps. This is only an
issue for race cars (obviously with disk brakes). Anybody who's ever
seen a NASCAR race at night knows what I mean because you can see the
rotors glowing various shades from magenta to pink depending on how much
the driver is pushing the envelope.

I must admit the silicon resin in the engine cylinders is a
little scary but only if you have leaky vacume assisted brakes.

In my mind the fact that it doesn't absorb water is a HUGE plus
on these open brake systems that outweighs the cost factor. Plus you
don't have to worry if you spill some on the floorboard.

Ray, when I looked at my wheel cylinders after 5 years to
replace the shoes I saw no pitting at all, it was like the day I put
them in. Is that your experience as well?

What I can't understand is why nobody manufactures a screw on
master cylinder lid with the telescoping rubber seal. I've thought about
adapting a telescoping seal to my master cylinder lid.

Anybody done anything like this?

Thanks,
Alec


> P.S. It is better, though...
>
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:03:22 -0400
From: "Tarnoff, Howard"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Cover for '53

California Car Cover Company
800-423-5525
Make Certain to tell them if you have bumpers and or mirrors

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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Cover for '53
>
> Anyone know of a place to get a "car cover" type thing made for a '53
> F100??
>
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:16:20 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Silicon Brake Fluid

> Everybody seems to be having so much fun with brake fluid, that I just
> have to weigh in. I converted a 79 Mustang over to the stuff, mainly
> because I acquired a free sample of it. I used mostly all new lines,
> flushed the rest and cleaned or replaced all the wheel cylinders and put
> in a new master cylinder. I never had one bit of trouble thereafter until
> I sold the car. The new owner broke one of the flex lines to a front
> wheel, replaced it and dumped in Dot 3 fluid to refill. He asked me later
> what I used for fluid, 'cause the new stuff just settled to bottom of the
> reservoir, like water in oil. It took me a few minutes to remember I'd
> used the silicon, and made me think that in the future if I did a job like
> that I'd put some kind of a tag on the master cylinder to remind me (or a
> new owner) that it's DOT 5 in there.

47 Fred

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:15:04 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '58 Parts

Try
"Mack Products" Hwy 24 West , Box 856
Moberly, Missouri, 65270
816-263-7444, Fax 816-263-4403

This is a good place for all sheet metal related bed parts.


Tom Nickolson
52 F1 Flathead

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:36:32 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

I realize that oem is next to imposible to find and that I coulda had a
tailgate years ago, but I want a oem tailgate, the truck is not all oem, the
stearing is being replaced right now, along with brakes and I'm thinking of
dropping a 429 in her this winter, but I just decided that all of the body
needed
to be oem (my alltime favorite year of body, and I will not stray 1 iotta
from oem in that aspect).

If I didn't live a couple of thousand miles from Pigeon Forge I would most
likely have attended.
I have so many hobbies that all have major events in the spring it is very
hard to muster the resources required to go to an event farther than 500 miles
away.
So I have to spend my free time wich is almost nonexistant (construction
season starts up full bore in the spring, would be nice if some of these events
were in winter when I'm not working)
reading and hearing about all of the events I miss out on (I work 6 days a week
till fall then 2 or 3 a week thru the winter)...

- --
58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
- --
KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
kc7ypj pdt.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:45:29 -0500
From: "wild.bunch"
Subject: Tom Nickolson RE: Rear End 52 F1

Tom:
I could answer the 53-56 question because I have a 54 F100 and have done
research on the issue of axles for F100s of that series. As far as F1s, I
don't really know anything except the following:

According to my Hollander Manual, your F1 came with a Dana 44 that is
similar to the 53-56 and 59 - up locking Dana 44s, except for the spring
perches. Hollander says that the Dana 44s can be swapped between F1s and
53-56 F100s if the spring perches are moved. I would interpret this to mean
that the hub to hub distance is the same, so you could use a 57-60 9" Ford
F100 axle if you moved the spring perches, following the information in my
previous post.

If you have the same upper shock mounting as 53-56, you can use the 57-60
spring seat caps and U bolts, too. If not, there's a fabrication point.
Also, I can't tell you about driveshafts, but this is a fairly
straightforward issue.

All I can say is that some work with a tape measure in a junkyard is
probably your best bet, but this info should give you a start as far as what
to look for.

Personally, after weighing the whole business, I opted to keep the Dana 44.
Going to a highway ratio means getting a 3 series carrier (all of the stock
truck axles use a 4 series carrier). Ford and Merc cars used the Dana 44
thru 1956 as a heavy duty axle, so carriers and ring-pinion sets are the
same for 51 Merc Merc-O-Matics, early 50s Ford and Merc station wagons, and
55-56 TBirds. You can get 3.54 and 3.31 ratios from these axles, plus the 3
series carrier. Additionally, ring -pinion sets from some 50s Hudsons and
Studebakers will swap, offering a 3.07 ratio. I picked up the 51 Merc set in
3.31, which I plan to install this year.

I know this seems crazy, but I picked up a pair of nice dial indicators at a
swap meet for $25. Also got a depth guage for $30. I figure that I have
enough to do the change myself, so I'm gonna give it a shot. If you see a
green 54 at the side of the road in New Mexico or Texas with the axle
busted, please stop and give me a lift, OK?

tim

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:09:37 -0500
From: Janet Woods
Subject: 12 volt system

Does anyone know what year ford changed to a 12 volt system? I heard
that the first year for that was 57 .

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:56:07 -0800
From: rmeier connect.net (Roger Meier)
Subject: 12 volt system

Janet Woods writes:
"Does anyone know what year ford changed to a 12 volt system? I heard
that the first year for that was 57 ."

Janet,
Close but not quite, it was actually in 56 for both cars and trucks. They
changed to a 6 v negative ground system in 55 (54 and earlier were 6 V
positive ground), then in 56 went to a 12 V neg ground system that is still
in use today.
Regards,
Roger Meier

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:08:19 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: Self-adjusting Brakes

Alec wrote "Speaking of brakes, anybody done anything with converting over
to self adjusting brakes? Like anybody know which backing plates will work
for a '53-'56?"
Alec, I'm glad you asked that, because I have the same question! When I
found that Grover's front brakes were powered by a single-piston wheel
cylinder up front, I began wondering if there is not a backing plate with a
more modern wheel cylinder that would fit on the front. As for the
self-adjusting brakes, I am considering getting the self-adjusting hardware
from a mid-60s F250 and installing it. The only difference between
self-adjusting brakes and crawl underneath and do it by hand is the
adjuster assembly, the pawl, and the actuating cable. The problem is, which
one will work?
No, I didn't answer your question, Alec, but I want to know too!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:02:27 EST
From: "James H. Boyd"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8

** Reply to note from Edward Sedgwick Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:33:49 -0700

Edward,

>From all that I've been able to find in the documentation I have at hand,
1953 is the last year for the 239 Flathead V-8, although I have heard
reports that there were a few 54's with the flattie prior to the OHV
moving into production. For URL's to look at for more definitive
information, surf on over to:

THE FORD FLATHEAD V-8

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.agt.net/public/bboogaar/flathead.htm

Flathead-- The Ford V-8 Engine Workshop

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/flathead.html

Flathead Ford V8 History PAge

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.fullnet.net/mulligan/fmain.htm


Write back if you need more info...

Regards,

Jay Boyd
53 F-100 Panel
Hotrod Flathead V-8
(no name yet...I'm thinking about Frankenstein,
ya know with a flathead and re-animated from dead sheet metal. :-})

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:20:45 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - DOT 5 and other brake fluids

> I've got a buddy who replaced his brake fluid with vaseline and
>claims it works great! %^).... Tough crowd huh?
>

No, No, That is for the oil pump!

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:41:25 EDT
From: Filzdad aol.com
Subject: driving my dream truck - reality or pipe dream?

Quick reality check for me - I've been reading the list for a couple months
now and reading up as much as I can, but I have the itch bad and want to get
your opinions. I am interested in getting a '37-'42 pick-up, ideal being a
'41 flathead 6 (tall order - I'm dreaming, okay?). Right now I'm looking for
a rebuild, not a restoration. I want to drive this beauty, and don't have the
time or money to do a restoration right now; hopefully later. I can do basic
repairs and maintenance, and have access to shop space and people with the
brains, and all of you (I'll thank you now...).
My question: is this realistic, getting a driver pick-up of that era that....

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