pre61-list-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 158



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed
FTE Pre61 - update on switching out my distributor
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fuel Line Size?
FTE Pre61 - 239 engine part number
Re: FTE Pre61 - 239 engine part number
Re: FTE Pre61 - Michael Palmer 57 F100 rear Axle
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed
FTE Pre61 - Re: FTEPre61 - 55 3/4 ton brake booster
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed
FTE Pre61 - truck photo update
FTE Pre61 - brakes and '48 F-1 buyers advice
FTE Pre61 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts
FTE Pre61 - share your story
Re: FTE Pre61 - brakes and '48 F-1 buyers advice
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:23:28 -0400
From: "Donald R. Schoenheide"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

I am Just starting to restore an 1958 I need a tailgate and tail lights
Can any one tell me where I might find them.
rrcomand tir.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE Pre61 - update on switching out my distributor

Howdy!

First of all I wanted to thank everyone (Deacon, Gary, John
LaGrone) that gave me advise on switching out my distributor. I finally
had a chance to switch out the distributor on my 292. I put in a NAPA
rebuilt distributor and a Petronix Electronic Conversion Kit. I have not
seen to much of a difference in the low end, but at the high end
(basically above 2000 rpms) the engine runs much smoother and has a little
more power.
I have one concern...for those that don't remember I have a 1963
F100...as I said earlier it runs great and smoothly at higher rpms, but it
runs a little rough at idle. It has been like that since I rebuilt the
engine and when I had the mechanical points system. It runs a little
rough, not to bad, but enough to were is bugs when I am at a stop light.
Do these old engines run a light rough at idle? I guess I am comparing
mine to the smoothness of a newer engine with hydraulic lifters.

Thanks for ya'lls time,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
h: 409-775-0737, w: 409-845-4623, fax: 409-845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:28:53 -0400
From: billjhs
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fuel Line Size?

Dan Wentz wrote:

> Anybody know offhand the diameter of the fuel line out of the tank on a 50 F1?
>
> ~Dan
>
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> 1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V (Now legally on the road)
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Hey Dan,

I believe those lines are 5/16. I think thats what I just replaced mine with when
I did the fuel injection and swap.

Bill
1951 f-1

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:59 -0500
From: "davet"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 239 engine part number

I have a 52 F-3 4x4 with the 239 engine. Can anyone tell me how or where to
find the engine part number? I can't seem to find any information in my
manuals identifying this. I did notice that the heads have "8BA" stamped on
them. In the "Ford flathead builder's handbook" there is one table with
Ford
general specifications and for 1952 it shows V-8 B3 and for 1949 it shows
V-8
8BA. So does that mean I have a 1949 falthead in there, or could it only be
1949 heads? If anyone could help me out on this I'd greatly appreciate it.
Rich Kouba
"B52"

My '52 flathead V-8 (239) has 8RT clearly stamped on both heads and on the
top of the intake manifold in front of the carburetor. The only reference I
could find to anything with "8BA" is the engine part number for the 239 V-8,
which is "8BA-6010" according to the Ford shop manual. Hope that info is
helpful.

On a separate note, does anyone know where I can get some of the fuzzy
insulating material that goes in the division bar - the vertical bar that
separates the vent window from the door window. It is the material that
cushions the window when you roll it up and down. MAC's Antique Auto
carries several varieties but I couldn't read the dimensions well enough to
figure out which one I need due to poor printing on that page. Is that
stuff available locally anywhere?


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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:47:04 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 239 engine part number

At 01:52 AM 6/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I have a 52 F-3 4x4 with the 239 engine. Can anyone tell me how or where to
>find the engine part number? I can't seem to find any information in my
>manuals identifying this. I did notice that the heads have "8BA" stamped on
>them. In the "Ford flathead builder's handbook" there is one table with
Ford
>general specifications and for 1952 it shows V-8 B3 and for 1949 it shows V-8
>8BA. So does that mean I have a 1949 falthead in there, or could it only be
>1949 heads? If anyone could help me out on this I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
>Rich,

Back then, well at least in 54, just the month and year were stamped.
Mine is stamped 64 meaning June of 54. The block, heads, intake, exhaust,
trans and rear are all stamped this way.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:08:41 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Michael Palmer 57 F100 rear Axle

You seem to have a grasp of what rear end housing is best for older Ford
trucks. I have a 52 F1 with the original rear end and would like to swap it
out for a FORD 9" I want to keep it looking as original as possible, I want to
be able to change the gear ratio so the truck is more Freeway driveable
without the engine running at high PRM's. As much information as you have
would be appreciated.


Tom
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:28:47 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

Is it a fleet side or a style side?
If you find a source for the tailgates let me know I'm looking for 1 too.

Donald R. Schoenheide wrote:

> I am Just starting to restore an 1958 I need a tailgate and tail lights
> Can any one tell me where I might find them.
> rrcomand tir.com


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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:20:33 EDT
From: Tstyskal aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FTEPre61 - 55 3/4 ton brake booster

In a message dated 98-06-03 21:13:07 EDT, you write:




>
>> >It's pretty obvious how it works, pressure from the master cylinder
>> >moves a piston in the booster, which opens a vacuum valve to cause the
>> >diaphragm to intensify the pressure which goes back to a distribution
>> >block on the master cylinder and to the wheels. What I was wondering,
>> >since those big o'l brakes have to use a lot of oil, and since there
>> >appears to be no reservoir on the booster, how do you fill it, bleed it
>> >and know its operating right? I don't know if Ted needs or wants this
>> >unit, but any opinions on breaking performance, reliability or such?
>> >
>> >47 Fred
>>
>> It gets the fluid from your standard under-the -floorboard master
cylinder.
>> It is like the difference of having standard and power brakes (duh). You
>> will have to move your brake switch to the output side of the booster as
>> the pressure now required for the average stop wont even close the
switch.

>> Ray

>Well gee now Ray, I figured being Ford, that thing was put there to make
life
>more miserable for mechanics and drivers, I never figured it'd make
stopping
>easier. Actually, I was looking for a more technical discussion of the
>functionality of the thing, you know, beyond the "you press on the brake
pedal
>and it stops." kind of thing.
>
>I see a gem in your statement that it gets its fluid from the master
cylinder,
>but how do you fill it initially, and do they work well in practice? On
this
>truck the stop lamp switch was in the usual location, in the "bolt"
retaining
>the brake block on the MC. The block itself has 5 ports and no switch port
>provision.

> Sorry, I answer my mail after midnight and sometimes I can be pretty dense.

> Watch out if your engine stalls. Like no brakes at all - no where near like
> it was before the booster got installed. I have learned to let the clutch
> out again to get the engine spinning for vacuum because of a stubborn
> stalling engine problem I had once. Very scary.
>
> To fill it... If you shunt your master cylinder and make sure it's full and
>free of air then re-connect to the booster you can just pump it through the
>booster and into the wheel cylinders. If you're not in a hurry you can just
>gravity feed the whole system. I also have a pressurized bleeder with the
>correct filler stopper and that is the easiest, but you need the gizmo.
>Last time I did it was when I changed rear-ends on one of my larger beasts
>to a 2-speed. I put compressed air into the system and blew out all the
>fluid (use very little pressure). This was in order to change it over to
>DOT 5 fluid which I highly recommend to anyone doing a new brake job. After
>you fill the system just bleed the booster like another wheel cylinder, but
>bleed it first. These are just my methods. I do a lot of crazy things on an
>educated guess and they work for me sometimes :-)

> Ray

Thanks 47 Fred and Ray C for the info on this 55 3/4 ton brake booster, If
and when I get to that part of my restoration, I'll try and use in in the 53
250 Express. Any other info you may have on this booster will certainly be
appreciated. I read the list daily I don't say much but I have learned alot
from most of you regular FORD guys. I currently got mine spread out all over
my workshop. Most questions I have usually get asked and then answered.

Don Neighbors (54 named Grover) I guess I can join the 250 list even though i
got a flathead V8, does that make it (4) now?? I'll be glad when mine is
finally road worthy.

Ted



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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:46:39 EDT
From: Cdalep aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

Ryan, you can get a catalogue for parts (like a tailgate) from Auto Krafters
Inc at www.auto krafters. com . Hope this helps.
Cliff
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - truck photo update

After about 4 years of work and a chromed grill and bumper you can now
take a look at what keeps me going ever day, my truck. It may not
look like much now but mabey it will inspire some of you to keep
going. The new photos are at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9731/chrome.html
I hope you enjoy.
Scott




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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:56:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Darcy Lee Davis
Subject: FTE Pre61 - brakes and '48 F-1 buyers advice

Rich,
You advised anyone doing a brake job to replace the old fluid with
DOT 5 fluid. However, I am replacing the wheel cylinders on my '48
F-68 (U.S. F-2), and was talking to a mechanic who said that D.O.T. 5
fluid will corrode some types of rubber and brake systems. I was also told
that DOT 3 and DOT 4 are both natural fluids, but DOT 4 is made to handle
more heat which is not a problem on drum brakes. Being natural fluids,
this grade will absorb water simply by contacting air etc. However, DOT 5
is a synthetic fluid, and so creates the corrosion problem. Is this all
correct? If so, can my '48 system support the DOT 5 fluid?

Steve,
Sounds to me like you'll fit in great here.
As an '48 owner, I'll give you my facts and opinions on the '48 F-1.
Q) what to look for, and what to look out for
A) That era of truck is well known for having brake problems. If the
brakes have to be pumped to build up pressure, then the master and wheel
brake cylinders are probably pitted. Depending on where you get them,
wheel cylinders can vary from $30-$50, and master cylinder from
$90-$170(hint: get lots of Catalogues before you buy). The other problems
is that if the coolant was overly strong or was left sitting in the block
too long, it will corrode the head gasket, which from what I've heard will
cause the engine to seize. I don't know how to diagnose this problem
except to try get a straight answer out of the owner about its storage
condition. Anybody else know something about this? However, unlike my
F-68 (U.S. F-2), parts for the 1/2 ton are cheaper and easier to come by.

Q) how much is it worth?
A) This varies alot on the condition of the truck. I've seen some
unrestored trucks go for as much as $3000 Canadian. We have a '49 merc
3/4 ton that we got for $200 Canadian. Good donor vehicle especially for
drivetrain etc. However, the body would be a nightmare to restore. The
second donor vehicle we have is a '49 F-68 which we got for $900
Canadian that has a rotten box, but came with a good tailgate, and the
cab, doors, and running boards have no rust holes. The front fenders were
in excellent shape and will need nothing more than paint stripper and new
paint to restore them. The F-1 is considered to be more valuable than the
F-2, so you may have to adjust your figures slightly.

Good luck. If you need a list of parts sources for your truck, I've been
compiling one from previous messages, and my own sources.

Darcy 3x48 F-68

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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:12:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:21:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - share your story

Had this e-mail sent to me and if you would like to help out then
please e-mail me with your story, wm_69 yahoo.com
Scott


experience with your F Ford truck. Stuff like; how I got my first F
truck,
my Grandma's old F Ford, how I fell in love at a Ford truck roundup,
my most memorable F Ford moment.

I have a publisher. Now I need stories. All published authors will
receive a Free copy of this classic book.

Thanks,

Judy Scott>>




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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:00:52 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - brakes and '48 F-1 buyers advice

>Rich,
> You advised anyone doing a brake job to replace the old fluid with
>DOT 5 fluid. However, I am replacing the wheel cylinders on my '48
>F-68 (U.S. F-2), and was talking to a mechanic who said that D.O.T. 5
>fluid will corrode some types of rubber and brake systems. I was also told
>that DOT 3 and DOT 4 are both natural fluids, but DOT 4 is made to handle
>more heat which is not a problem on drum brakes. Being natural fluids,
>this grade will absorb water simply by contacting air etc. However, DOT 5
>is a synthetic fluid, and so creates the corrosion problem. Is this all
>correct? If so, can my '48 system support the DOT 5 fluid?

Yeah, Rich, Is that DOT 5 Gonna eat out my brake system? :-)

Ray C

PS I thought silicone was good for rubber. I have never gone back to my
truck after a long winter and found no pedal on the brakes since the DOT 5
changeover. My panel's been soaking in it for 10 years now. What does
everyone think on this one?


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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:17:37 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1958 parts needed

O.E.M. only ( aftermarket in such an obvious place is unacceptable ) ;-)

Cdalep aol.com wrote:

> Ryan, you can get a catalogue for parts (like a tailgate) from Auto Krafters
> Inc at www.auto krafters. com . Hope this helps.
> Cliff


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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
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