pre61-list-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 156



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades and '54 F250s
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
FTE Pre61 - Michael Palmer 57 F100 rear Axle
Re: FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades and '54 F250s
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
FTE Pre61 - Re: V/8 Club
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: V/8 Club
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:01:04 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades and '54 F250s

When I bought my truck it had wipers from who knows what. Two different
arms on the windshield and a third in the cab, all three different. I
borrowed the wiper arms off my '65 Comet, and they fit just fine. They look
good, too! These arms are available through most any Ford and/or Mustang
parts supplier, and you can find wiper vlades at the local Wal-Mart or
K-Mart.

Another '54 F250!! Alriiiight!!!!! That makes 3 of us!
Like the other guys said, your VIN is on the glovebox door.

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:48:12 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

Ray Cardogno wrote:

>
>
> >If your state is anything like Maine or Mass., you are in for a hassle and
> >I'll >bet some paper mill in a magazine won't do much but lighten your
> >wallet.
>

> I am from Mass and I have had to have a New Hamshire friend register and
> insure a vehicle first and then _sell_ it back to me. Mass does not believe
> in the _spirit_ of the law.
>

I know the feeling, I traded a '84 Chevy pickup for a 87 Ford cruiser, then had
the register the truck in NH before the guy in Maine could get a title, Cost me
$70, then when I transfered the plates onto my Mustang, just to some value
back, NH wacked me or $16 in tranfer fees. Funny thing is Mass and Maine, have
as much or more problems with stolen cars as anyone. The whole scam is just a
clever way to rip you off.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:38:39 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

At 09:53 PM 6/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-06-01 10:34:37 EDT, you write:
>
>
> There actually is not a VIN for 54 and earlier, the motor number on the
> plate inside the glove box door will serve as the VIN for your truck.
> >>
>Well, that's not quite correct. There are Serial Numbers, commonly referred
>to as VIN. They're not the current 17 digit variety, which confuses some new
>employees of Department of Motor Vehicles and of insurance companies, but
>they're there. I have the 'rating plate' from the glovebox door of a '52
>sitting in front of me, and it has a serial number, but no motor number. In
>fact the flatheads (US) didn't have engine numbers.
> The Redbook says 54 rating plates were on the rear face of the driver's
>door. If yours is missing, the serial number might be on the patent number
>plate on the engine side of the firewall. Older trucks had the serial in
>various places on the frame, not sure about 54s.
>

54 data plate (VIN) is located on the glove box door, the frame is also
stamped on the pass. side, under the rad. support.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:14:32 -0500
From: "wild.bunch"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Michael Palmer 57 F100 rear Axle

You did not state, and you probably know that F100s came equipped with Ford
9" rear ends in 57. Dana 60 rear ends came on F250s and have an 8 bolt hub,
so someone must have swapped axles on your truck. Since you are looking for
a 1/2 ton axle, I don't think you can do better than the Ford 9", which will
interchange directly between 57 - 60 and almost directly from 61 into 70s
models. The trouble with 61 and up 9" Ford axles is that they mount the rear
shock absorbers to the axle directly, rather than to the spring seat cap, as
was done in 57 - 60. I think even the spring perches are in the same
location from 57 up to the 70s. What you will need is the correct spring
seat cap that will mount your shocks, # B9D 5996-A. Some later years are
listed with these, but your best bet is to get them from a 57 - 60 which has
to have them. You will also need U-Bolts, #B7C 5705-A. These parts will
probably be different with the Dana 60 axle because of its greater axle tube
size. finally, you will need to get your driveshaft lengthened, because the
9" Ford is "shorter" than the Dana 60. All of the rear ends, 57 to the 70s
should be the same length drum to drum. Even the earlier 56 and before rear
ends are the same, but require different hardware due to smaller axle tubes.
I'd think that a 57 - 60 donor would be your simplest bet, because you could
also get the driveshaft, besides the u-bolts and spring seat caps. The lug
bolt pattern will swap with your front end, too.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:13:23 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster

Ray Cardogno wrote:

> >It's pretty obvious how it works, pressure from the master cylinder
> >moves a piston in the booster, which opens a vacuum valve to cause the
> >diaphragm to intensify the pressure which goes back to a distribution
> >block on the master cylinder and to the wheels. What I was wondering,
> >since those big o'l brakes have to use a lot of oil, and since there
> >appears to be no reservoir on the booster, how do you fill it, bleed it
> >and know its operating right? I don't know if Ted needs or wants this
> >unit, but any opinions on breaking performance, reliability or such?
> >
> >47 Fred
>
> It gets the fluid from your standard under-the -floorboard master cylinder.
> It is like the difference of having standard and power brakes (duh). You
> will have to move your brake switch to the output side of the booster as
> the pressure now required for the average stop wont even close the switch.

Well gee now Ray, I figured being Ford, that thing was put there to make life
more miserable for mechanics and drivers, I never figured it'd make stopping
easier. Actually, I was looking for a more technical discussion of the
functionality of the thing, you know, beyond the "you press on the brake pedal
and it stops." kind of thing.

I see a gem in your statement that it gets its fluid from the master cylinder,
but how do you fill it initially, and do they work well in practice? On this
truck the stop lamp switch was in the usual location, in the "bolt" retaining
the brake block on the MC. The block itself has 5 ports and no switch port
provision.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:22:25 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades and '54 F250s

Don & Teresa Neighbors wrote:

>
>
> Another '54 F250!! Alriiiight!!!!! That makes 3 of us!
> Like the other guys said, your VIN is on the glovebox door.
>
> Don Neighbors
> '54 F250 Named Grover

Looks like your big blue may have another friend in Illinois, Tstyskal, if he's
still on the list, I've been writing him quite regular, but haven't seen him on the
list lately. He's got a '53 250 Express with V8 power. Wow! Big little trucks come
out of the walls!!

47 Fred


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:13:16 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

In a message dated 98-06-02 16:39:06 EDT, you write:

The Redbook says 54 rating plates were on the rear face of the driver's
>door. >>

stamped on the pass. side, under the rad. support.>>

Another example of a Red Book inaccuracy, then. The Catalog of Ford Truck ID
Numbers 1946-1972 doesn't venture a location. Just can't believe everything
you read these days.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:26:06 EDT
From: Brechtjohn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: V/8 Club

Yes, this site received a good amount of space in the most recent issue of
"V/8 Times." It would be good if we could get our own Early V/8 (1932-1953)
category at this site.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:41:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: V/8 Club

At 10:26 PM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Yes, this site received a good amount of space in the most recent issue of
>"V/8 Times." It would be good if we could get our own Early V/8 (1932-1953)
>category at this site.

If we get enough demand, we'll do it.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:00:40 -0500
From: "Mr. Flood"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

Hello!

Title hassel you say.......

Well my Grampa gave me my truck, when I was 15. I did not take real possession
until I was 33. I removed it from the property last April. My Mother was heir to
the estate, she recieved all the property. I thought this was going to be easy, I
even had the registration, VIN and title number. This is how Wisconsin rips you
off.
1. Transfer of title from grampa to his estate.
2.From his estate to my Mother.
3. From mother to myself.
4. Then I license the truck with an antique plate.
Lets see thats $21.00 X 3 + $5.00 for the plate. Then show proof of death via death
cert. Proof of estate without probate. Proof of Grampas name and address to
correspond with registration and county that the vehicle was kept in. And to make
things more interesting they have to recreate the title..... Plus there are three
different addresses to send to, to accomplish this small task. One place at a time
or no doubt someone will screw things up!

Does anyone have any creative ideas to circumvent a couple of steps?? Like pretend
that Gramps is still alive??? The truck has been our property since his death in
'83. Is there any way?

Bill Flood
'39 P/U
Marathon, WI



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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:24:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

At 10:00 PM 6/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello!
>
>Title hassel you say.......
>
>Well my Grampa gave me my truck, when I was 15. I did not take real possession
>until I was 33. I removed it from the property last April. My Mother was heir to
>the estate, she recieved all the property. I thought this was going to be easy, I
>even had the registration, VIN and title number. This is how Wisconsin rips you
>off.
>1. Transfer of title from grampa to his estate.
>2.From his estate to my Mother.
>3. From mother to myself.
>4. Then I license the truck with an antique plate.
>Lets see thats $21.00 X 3 + $5.00 for the plate. Then show proof of death via death
>cert. Proof of estate without probate. Proof of Grampas name and address to
>correspond with registration and county that the vehicle was kept in. And to make
>things more interesting they have to recreate the title..... Plus there are three
>different addresses to send to, to accomplish this small task. One place at a time
>or no doubt someone will screw things up!
>
>Does anyone have any creative ideas to circumvent a couple of steps?? Like pretend
>that Gramps is still alive??? The truck has been our property since his death in
>'83. Is there any way?
>
>Bill Flood
>'39 P/U
>Marathon, WI
>

Don't know if you can do it where you live but in Georgia most
insurance companies can sell you a title bond. Its a real title
that's bonded against the vehicle being stolen, registered by
someone else who claims its theirs, etc. The bond fee is
inexpensive and is based on the worth of vehicle. If two years
go by without a claim against your bond, you've got a clear
title, otherwise the bond pays you the value of the vehicle if
there's a claim that's proven. I've done this with a couple of
motorcycles and never had a problem. I would do the same
thing if I ever get a truck without a title.

Ken Payne

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