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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
RE: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
RE: FTE Pre61 - Value of '48 F-1 ?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
Re: FTE Pre61 - Rear Axle
FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title
FTE Pre61 - rear end question
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re:Ford V-8 Club
FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades
Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics
Re: FTE Pre61 - Title
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades
Re: FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:40:46 PDT
From: "William Casady"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

Just bought a 1954 Ford F250 239. Would like to know some specific
characteristics of my truck. Where do I find the VIN? Where can I find
pictures of originals and/or manuals with original specs? Please reply
to wcasady hotmail.com.


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:14:49 -0400
From: "Tarnoff, Howard"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

Your vin may be on a plate attached to the inside of the glove box door.

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>
> Just bought a 1954 Ford F250 239. Would like to know some specific
> characteristics of my truck. Where do I find the VIN? Where can I find
> pictures of originals and/or manuals with original specs? Please reply
> to wcasady hotmail.com.
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:36:25 -0400
From: "Tarnoff, Howard"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Value of '48 F-1 ?

Steve,

The NADA lists the values as follows:

low 2375
avg 4075
high 6800

By the way, we live just up the street in Franklin, MA.

Will you be at the Car Show 6/7?

Howard Tarnoff
56 F100

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> From: Steve Offiler[SMTP:soffiler ici.net]
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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Value of '48 F-1 ?
>
> Hi, folks:
>
> I'm a newcomer to this list, and I'm really enjoying it. Briefly, my
> credentials: I'm a mechanical engineer, a Ford guy, my daily driver is a
> '97 F250HD 4x4, and I'm a staunch regular over on the Antique Tractor
> mailing list. I own, among others, a '48 Ford 8N tractor.
>
> Now, to my question. My wife recently ran across a '48 F-1, and took a
> real liking to it. From outward appearances, it appears to be in real
> good
> shape. I believe it is in original condition. We are sincerely
> interested
> in purchasing it, but have no idea:
>
> (a) what to look for, and what to look out for;
> (b) how much it is worth
>
> I'm hoping you folks might help me out with (a) and then I'll go look
> closely at it and get back to you with an assement of condition and we can
> move on to (b). Remember, I am not a beginner - I have a very solid
> mechanical background.
>
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated!!
>
> Best regards,
> Steve Offiler
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> North Scituate RI
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:00:10 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

Bill Carlson wrote:

> Hi, I have a 56 F100 Pickup been restoring it. When I bought the truck
> it didn't have a title, and
> I was wondering what is the best way to get a new one. I've seen adds
> in magazines, and was wondering if anyone has used a certain company or
> got a title a different way.
>

Thank goodness I live in a state that doesn't require a title after 10
years, but you still need a serial number which is hard to get sometimes.
My advice to Bill is to pick up the phone and call motor vehicles or what
ever they call it in your state, and find out what the requirements are.
Sometimes the hardest part of a restoration job is the paper work. If your
state is anything like Maine or Mass., you are in for a hassle and I'll bet
some paper mill in a magazine won't do much but lighten your wallet.

47 Fred

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:26:58 -0000
From: "KEVIN R COUGHLIN"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

There actually is not a VIN for 54 and earlier, the motor number on the
plate inside the glove box door will serve as the VIN for your truck.
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From: William Casady
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Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 11:51 AM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics


>Just bought a 1954 Ford F250 239. Would like to know some specific
>characteristics of my truck. Where do I find the VIN? Where can I find
>pictures of originals and/or manuals with original specs? Please reply
>to wcasady hotmail.com.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:18:56 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Rear Axle

Michael L Palmer wrote:

> I have been reading this list for about 6 months now and think its great. So
> now I have a question. I have a 57 F100 and someone had put a dana 60 on it.
> Would a rear end from a 86 Bronco II fit ok without any major mods? If so
> what? Thanks in advance.

Ckeck the sping perch to perch centerline, and also the face to face width
(where the wheel seats), This will tell you if there are major problems, there
may be some interesting wheel backspace requirements to make the swap work. A
Bronco won't work well on a 3/4 ton box, but is probably OK on a 1/2 ton. The
Dana was a Chrysler maybe? and has 5 bolts on a 4-1/2" bolt circle? The Bronco
II (and Rangers) have that size wheel pattern, what does your front end use, a
conventional truck wheel or has it been modified? Awful nice to have 4 wheels
the same pattern. The Bronco II uses a yoke that is bolted on the axle with 4
metric bolts, M-12 I think, however, it can be matched to some Ford driveshafts
by playing mix'in match with "U" joints. In the worst case, you may have to
reweld the rear drive shaft yoke with an appropriate size joint to match. The
centerline of the axle to the face of the yoke may require a longer or shorter
shaft as well, a Bronco and a 9" are pretty close to the same, but a Dana??

Don't try to run a lot of power thru a '86 axle, it's most likely a 7.5" ring
gear, not real strong. A '86 probably came with a 2.8 V-6, a motor not well
known as a torque monster. One serious flaw in the Bronco II is that the axles
use Chevy like "C" clips, if it breaks, you part company with the wheel. A lot
better choice for you is to find a real Bronco and use that 9" axle.

47 Fred

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:41:59 EDT
From: Dustymtn aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades

A rather dumb question...does anyone have experience & suggestions on wiper
blades? Originals cost $12 each & don't seem to work that well. Thanks for
your help.

Dusty
'55 F100
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:34:13 -0400
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title

At 10:00 AM -0400 6/1/98, 47 Fred wrote:
>Thank goodness I live in a state that doesn't require a title after 10
>years, but you still need a serial number which is hard to get sometimes.
>My advice to Bill is to pick up the phone and call motor vehicles or what
>ever they call it in your state, and find out what the requirements are.
>Sometimes the hardest part of a restoration job is the paper work. If your
>state is anything like Maine or Mass., you are in for a hassle and I'll bet
>some paper mill in a magazine won't do much but lighten your wallet.
>
>47 Fred

For what it's worth, I recently got a new title in Massachusetts for a '35
pickup that didn't currently have one. I did buy it from someone who is a
licensed dealer which may have helped, and knowing the requirements in
advance would certainly have made things easier. It did require a notarized
bill of sale and an inspection by a police officer, but living in a small
town made that easy.

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - rear end question


O.K. your rear end experts...help me

I've been looking for a limited slip 9" 28 spline chunk for a while
and gathered a little information...just enough to confuse me

I see the names traction-loc, an equal-loc, limited slip etc...nad I
understnad some have clutches..some don't ???

Can anyone give a definitive description of each?
Are all interchangeable into a 9" case ?
What numbers, stamps, markings identify each ?
Pros & cons for a street truck using a 460/C-6 combo

Ive found one that has the stamping C6AW on the differential case
(where the ring gear bolts on) and 9D30 somewhere on the body of the
differential case (I'm saying "case" to identify where the
differental side gears mesh.. and differential carrier is the front
portion of the chunk that everything is bolted to, that's what the
ford book calls them anyway)

I don't have the complete chunk so no tag, I also have another full
chunk sans tag..tell me what to look for please

can anyone tell me if this is a locker, limited slip or what

I see no clutches only gear clusters

Your assistance oh great ones, please !!!!!

john
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:28:55 EDT
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re:Ford V-8 Club

Do you have a web page? What is the address?

Tom
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:50:38 -0400
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster

Some of you regular guys may recall that about a month or so ago Ted
S. from Il. was looking for a bed for his 53 truck, since I had a
restorable one I didn't need we struck a deal, but as I was getting it
ready to go I saw the old frame had a good looking "Midland Steel
Products", "HY-POWER" brake booster installed with all new lines. I know
a lot of you guy have trouble with brake lines, and I thought maybe Ted
does too, so I stripped everything out wrapped it up in electrical tape
and threw it into the bed.

It's pretty obvious how it works, pressure from the master cylinder
moves a piston in the booster, which opens a vacuum valve to cause the
diaphragm to intensify the pressure which goes back to a distribution
block on the master cylinder and to the wheels. What I was wondering,
since those big o'l brakes have to use a lot of oil, and since there
appears to be no reservoir on the booster, how do you fill it, bleed it
and know its operating right? I don't know if Ted needs or wants this
unit, but any opinions on breaking performance, reliability or such?

47 Fred

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:55:41 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades

In a message dated 98-06-01 11:43:44 EDT, you write:


blades? Originals cost $12 each & don't seem to work that well. >>
Its been a few years, but I seem to recall I used VW beetle blades on my 56?
or maybe that was the '52. 56s are probably different than 55, but check on
beetle blades anyway.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:53:23 EDT
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1954 F250 characteristics

In a message dated 98-06-01 10:34:37 EDT, you write:


There actually is not a VIN for 54 and earlier, the motor number on the
plate inside the glove box door will serve as the VIN for your truck.
>>
Well, that's not quite correct. There are Serial Numbers, commonly referred
to as VIN. They're not the current 17 digit variety, which confuses some new
employees of Department of Motor Vehicles and of insurance companies, but
they're there. I have the 'rating plate' from the glovebox door of a '52
sitting in front of me, and it has a serial number, but no motor number. In
fact the flatheads (US) didn't have engine numbers.
The Redbook says 54 rating plates were on the rear face of the driver's
door. If yours is missing, the serial number might be on the patent number
plate on the engine side of the firewall. Older trucks had the serial in
various places on the frame, not sure about 54s.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:09:21 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Title



>If your state is anything like Maine or Mass., you are in for a hassle and
>I'll >bet some paper mill in a magazine won't do much but lighten your
>wallet.
>
>47 Fred
>
I am from Mass and I have had to have a New Hamshire friend register and
insure a vehicle first and then _sell_ it back to me. Mass does not believe
in the _spirit_ of the law.

Ray


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:20:31 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wiper Blades

>A rather dumb question...does anyone have experience & suggestions on wiper
>blades? Originals cost $12 each & don't seem to work that well. Thanks for
>your help.
>
>Dusty

If it's not a show truck, the latest revs of the original config work well
but are not stocked much. You should be able to order them at an auto parts
store that carries anco or trico stuff. I got some this way as recently as
last year. Keep in mind I got the specified arms as well and they work very
well but are a brushed stainless finish as opposed to a polished stainless.

Ray C


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:36:47 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '55 3/4 ton brake booster

> Some of you regular guys may recall that about a month or so ago Ted
>S. from Il. was looking for a bed for his 53 truck, since I had a
>restorable one I didn't need we struck a deal, but as I was getting it
>ready to go I saw the old frame had a good looking "Midland Steel
>Products", "HY-POWER" brake booster installed with all new lines. I know
>a lot of you guy have trouble with brake lines, and I thought maybe Ted
>does too, so I stripped everything out wrapped it up in electrical tape
>and threw it into the bed.
>
>It's pretty obvious how it works, pressure from the master cylinder
>moves a piston in the booster, which opens a vacuum valve to cause the
>diaphragm to intensify the pressure which goes back to a distribution
>block on the master cylinder and to the wheels. What I was wondering,
>since those big o'l brakes have to use a lot of oil, and since there
>appears to be no reservoir on the booster, how do you fill it, bleed it
>and know its operating right? I don't know if Ted needs or wants this
>unit, but any opinions on breaking performance, reliability or such?
>
>47 Fred

It gets the fluid from your standard under-the -floorboard master cylinder.
It is like the difference of having standard and power brakes (duh). You
will have to move your brake switch to the output side of the booster as....


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