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pre61-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 148

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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Production Numbers, etc.
Re: FTE Pre61 - Production Numbers, etc.
FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck
Re: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck
RE: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck
RE: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck
FTE Pre61 - Welding skills
FTE Pre61 - Wheels
RE: FTE Pre61 - Welding skills
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels
FTE Pre61 - Fuel Gauges
RE: FTE Pre61 - Welding skills
Re: FTE Pre61 - Welding skills
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE Pre61 - caddy motor

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:49:06 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Production Numbers, etc.

Abe wrote:" Does anyone out there have figures from Ford as to how many
trucks were
F-100's, 250's,etc. How many were Deluxe cabs, how many were V-8's,etc
by year? How many had electric wipers vs vacuum? Would the
specifications manuals have these figures?"

Abe, the "Standard Catalogue of American Light Trucks" has some of the
production numbers you are looking for. Not for the vacuum vs. electric
wipers, though.

As for passing over cammed, over carbed,etc. vehicles being beaten in stop
light Grans Prix by an Omni, wellll.... I had the distinct pleasure of
doing just that in our Plymouth Horizon about a year ago. I pulled up next
to a Chevy pickup that was just barely able to idle. When the light turned
green, he tromped it, but the truck couldn't get its throat cleared until
just before the shift point, then it was stumbling all over itself until
just before time to grab another gear. He was no competition fo my Horizon.
I installed a mild mid-range cam and a distributor with a fairly agressive
timing curve in a VW I owned once, putting the power where I wanted it
most, about 40 mph, the average speed of all the people I pass on the windy
road I live on. It drove great.
I know all this may seem non-Ford, but I just wanted to use the examples
to show what happens when you get carried away vs. doing it right. I can't
afford to tear an engine apart again after putting the wrong go-faster
goodies on an engine, and I'm sure the same goes for a lot of you. Think
about it, and do it right the first time!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:10:14 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Production Numbers, etc.

> As for passing over cammed, over carbed,etc. vehicles being beaten in stop
> light Grans Prix by an Omni, wellll.... I had the distinct pleasure of
> doing just that in our Plymouth Horizon about a year ago. I pulled up next
> to a Chevy pickup that was just barely able to idle. When the light turned
> green, he tromped it, but the truck couldn't get its throat cleared until
> just before the shift point, then it was stumbling all over itself until
> just before time to grab another gear. He was no competition fo my Horizon.

A classic example of less is more....AND a Chevy to boot.

47 Fred

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Subject: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck

While searching for junkyards that have old trucks in the K.C. area, I
discovered a 53 F-100 for sale, Asking $200. I am needing Parts for a
52. So if anybody is interested, the owner does not have the title but
could probably obtain one. the truck is not running, has a y-block in
it,no exhaust manifolds, needs door glass, windshield has a chip but
otherwise is o.k., drier`s door is missing the handle and latch, running
boards are missing. has a steel floor bed, colum shift 3 speed, the bed
is full of 53-56 grills and rear fenders. the interior is rough but all
there. a hole was cut in the dash and has a tape player in it. the truck
is on a back street in Kansas City, Mo. the owner lives in Peculiar, Mo.
If anyone Is interested I can get his Phone number. L.D. in K.C.
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 9:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck
>
> > While searching for junkyards that have old trucks in the K.C. area,
> I
> > discovered a 53 F-100 for sale, Asking $200. I am needing Parts for
> a 52.
> > So if anybody is interested, the owner does not have the title but
> could
> > probably obtain one. the truck is not running, has a y-block in
> it,no
> > exhaust manifolds, needs door glass, windshield has a chip but
> otherwise
> > is o.k., drier`s door is missing the handle and latch, running
> boards are
> > missing. has a steel floor bed, colum shift 3 speed, the bed is full
> of
> > 53-56 grills and rear fenders. the interior is rough but all there.
> a hole
> > was cut in the dash and has a tape player in it. the truck is on a
> back
> > street in Kansas City, Mo. the owner lives in Peculiar, Mo. If
> anyone Is
> > interested I can get his Phone number.
> L.D. in K.C. = Ford Truck
>
> Oooohhhhh if it weren't so far away..... the horror!!!
>
> I'm really waiting until after we move, when we will have a garage for
> me to
> really have a nice dry place to work rather than having to lay in
> carolina clay
> and not have anywhere to plug power tools into. After that I'm
> renting a flatbed
> trailer and finding myself an effie!!!
>
> Chris "Getting more impatient every day" Hedemark
>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:33:48 -0400
From: "Christian J Hedemark II"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - anybody need a truck

> If your serious and in the NC area, I'd call Richard's (near Ashboro), I
> can find the number if you need it, he had a '53 in fair shape, all
> original, running, with the original Fordomatic and y block. I think he
> was asking 3k but might come down some.

Alec,
Thanks but no. A $3K truck is a lot more than I wanted to get started with. I
have seen a lot of ads for sub-$1,000 trucks (granted in totally unrestored and
unmodified condition, which is what I'd prefer to start with to assure I end up
with a truck EXACTLY the way I want it) and even $300-$500 trucks don't seem
to be all THAT impossible to build.

I figure that I will probably end up getting a truck in the vicinity of $500, not
running and possibly without engine at all, good frame but possibly cancerous
body panels. Rusty fenders and such are replaced easily enough but a rusted
out cab will probably be passed over.

The only way I'd spend more than $1,000 I think is if I got a truck that was
rebuilt nearly to original specs. 12v upgrade is fine, but a truck that already
has IFS, Chevy engine, etc. I'd rather avoid. So a good condition mostly
original truck would be fine for more money or an unrestored but workable
truck for under $1,000.

Like I said, I'd *prefer* to wait until I have my garage which if all goes well will
be in a few months. I'll have to ask Santa for a 51-52 F1 this year. :-) I love all
the old effie's though and a 53 would be just as welcome as a 48. A 51 or 52 is
the ultimate for me, though.

Right now I am driving a POS 87 F250 and resist all suggestions I've gotten to
pretty it up. This is my ugly truck. (and an ugly truck it is) but before the year
is out I'd at least hope to have a place ready to work on an old truck and pretty
it up.

I happened to find a truck bed (mid-sixties Ch*vy rusted out), and an old truck
(Ch*vy) on the land I bought. Found it over the weekend. It's 36 acres of
woods and I haven't seen the whole place yet so every now and then we find
surprises back there (like the moonshine still). That old truck will be my
laboratory to learn how to weld on so I don't have to scar a Ford. The local
community college has some welding classes and with the donor cars I now
have at my disposal it should be interesting. More on this in a diffferent
message to come.

Chris
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:48:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wheels

Does anyone know where I could find 5 matching 15"x 6", or 15" x 6.5"
stock steel wheels. They need to have the 5 lug x 4.5" pattern to fit on
my '55'. I have changed to a 9 inch with disc brakes in the back and am
putting Chrysler rotors on the front. I live in Northern Illinois and
none of the boneyards around here have any. I can find plenty of 14" but
want to run 15's
Thanks
Mike.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:20:34 -0400
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Welding skills

Chris,

My suggestion would be to find a MIG welder (sometimes called wire
feed). These work buy having a spool of thin wire (.035" i think) that
runs out when you pull a trigger. Also when you pull the trigger it
releases some shielding gas (usually CO2 or a CO2/Argon Mix) that comes
out a nozzle right where the wire is feeding out.
This wire is energized and the ground clamp is on the piece your welding
so that where the arc comes from and the wire is the fill metal. The
shielding gas displaces the oxygen from around the molten metal and
prevents nasty oxidation reactions that would otherwise progress very
quickly at such a high temp and result in severe splattering. Straight
CO2 works great with sheet metal and other mild steel and is very cheap
and old CO2 tanks are very easy to find.

Ask around welding shops and welding equipment sellers and you can find
them sometimes. You can also buy flux cored wire which eliminates the
need for shielding gas but results in dirtier welds.

These are VERY easy to use and work great on sheet metal. You can
vary the voltage and wire speed and weld pretty thin stuff. You can get
a piece of copper to use as a backer plate and fill holes with them.
You'd be amazed at how useful these things are. If you break
off a pin in a hole or a bolt, you can weld an piece of a nail on the
end and use that to pull it. I've used it to pull wheel bearing races
when they got stuck, back out broken exhaust studs, etc.

I'm sure they'll have one in the welding class so you'll see for
yourself how easy it is.

Stick welders can be cheaper but are difficult to use on thin
sheetmetal.

Alec

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:19:43 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels

Mike Morton wrote:

> Does anyone know where I could find 5 matching 15"x 6", or 15" x 6.5"
> stock steel wheels. They need to have the 5 lug x 4.5" pattern to fit on
> my '55'.

Look for some Crown Vic' s (or the Mercury/Lincon versions) they use the
wheels you want, and some are pretty fancy, esp. on the Lincons. look for
'83 up.

47 Fred

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:37:38 -0600
From: John Mathison
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fuel Gauges

I have relocated a 1986 Ranger rear tank to the back of my '56 F100.
Does any one know how can I determine what relay is required to match
the sending unit in the Ranger tank to my original gauge if the dash?
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Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Welding skills

Chris, sheet metal welding reguires at least a mig welder (NO ARC WELDERS).
With a mig anyone can weld sheet metal with a small amount of teaching. Tig
welders are best, but are take alot of practice and understanding of metals
and you need to be able to weld with a torch before you ever attempt to use a
tig. Arc welding is not hard to learn the basics but require considerable
experience to really know how to weld a dependable strong weld that won't
break. Arc welding is next to impossible to weld sheetmetal (not impossible)
, but a very high level of skill is required. Most schools try to cover all
types of welding to some degree, don't expect to become a certified welder in
a few short months, but you can become proficent enough with a mig to do all
your sheet metal work. Please leave any supension or frame welding to a
certified welder. Good luck,

Ken L.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:11:49 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers

Abe,

All of this data is in the Red Book which I have at home. I know that
there were some 124,000 55 F100's. Will give you all the info I have when
I get off this trip.

Howard

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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 11:35 PM
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>
>
> > ----------
> > From: Abram H. Stauffer[SMTP:ASTAUFFE

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> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 11:35:30 PM
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> > Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> Howard and others:
> I am going to the Carlisle truck Nats. Went last year (on Sat.) bought
> a lot of stuff I needed. This year going Fri. and Sat. Will buy more
> stuff I need. I highly recommend it to any truck lover. But then again
> I'm not afraid to spell "Chevy" without using an asterisk(*).
> It's a great place to shop, compare, look and learn and enjoy.
> Howard, I'll look for you and your '55. Good luck!
> VACUUM WIPERS: I remember riding in my Dad's '48 Chevy 5 window 3/4 ton
> pickup in the rain waiting for him to shift so the wipers would work so
> I could see. My '54 Ford which I have had for 20 years has electric
> wipers. It is a pretty basic, stripped down model, not a custom (or
> deluxe)cab. So I thought all mid-50's Fords had electric wipers. Once
> again I learned something from this great list service!
> Does anyone out there have figures from Ford as to how many trucks were
> F-100's, 250's,etc. How many were Deluxe cabs, how many were V-8's,etc
> by year? How many had electric wipers vs vacuum? Would the
> specifications manuals have these figures?
> Abe Stauffer
> '54 F-100 from PA (only 2 hours from Carlisle)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:10:19 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers

Abe,

Look us up. I guess we will be in building T for certain at 8:00 PM
meeting with the head judge. I will probably be sporting a black satin
jacket with Mass Cruisers (outline of the state with a couple of rods) logo
on the back. I love to get out of the business suit.
Anyhow, my wifes name is Wanda and she will be in same.

Look us up. Also, I am looking for license plates for Massachusettes:
1955 and 1969. Want mint pairs.

Let me know if you find anything while walking about the market.

Howard

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> From: Abram H. Stauffer
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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 11:35 PM
>
> Howard and others:
> I am going to the Carlisle truck Nats. Went last year (on Sat.) bought
> a lot of stuff I needed. This year going Fri. and Sat. Will buy more
> stuff I need. I highly recommend it to any truck lover. But then again
> I'm not afraid to spell "Chevy" without using an asterisk(*).
> It's a great place to shop, compare, look and learn and enjoy.
> Howard, I'll look for you and your '55. Good luck!
> VACUUM WIPERS: I remember riding in my Dad's '48 Chevy 5 window 3/4 ton
> pickup in the rain waiting for him to shift so the wipers would work so
> I could see. My '54 Ford which I have had for 20 years has electric
> wipers. It is a pretty basic, stripped down model, not a custom (or
> deluxe)cab. So I thought all mid-50's Fords had electric wipers. Once
> again I learned something from this great list service!
> Does anyone out there have figures from Ford as to how many trucks were
> F-100's, 250's,etc. How many were Deluxe cabs, how many were V-8's,etc
> by year? How many had electric wipers vs vacuum? Would the
> specifications manuals have these figures?
> Abe Stauffer
> '54 F-100 from PA (only 2 hours from Carlisle)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:27:36 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels

Mike,

Let me share this with you. The restoration shop I use was able to find
a set of 4 15" wheels on a 54 F100. By the time we got done with sand
blasting, hand sanding, prime coat, 2 color coats, and 4 clear coats I had
17 hours of labor plus materials.

If you are doing a show truck it is one thing. If not, try Vintage Wheels
and
buy the new copies at less than $50.00 each.

Howard

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> From: Mike Morton
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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wheels
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 12:48 PM
>
> Does anyone know where I could find 5 matching 15"x 6", or 15" x 6.5"
> stock steel wheels. They need to have the 5 lug x 4.5" pattern to fit on
> my '55'. I have changed to a 9 inch with disc brakes in the back and am
> putting Chrysler rotors on the front. I live in Northern Illinois and
> none of the boneyards around here have any. I can find plenty of 14" but
> want to run 15's
> Thanks
> Mike.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:36:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? The
Ranchero folks really are up a creek since they join, find
very little talk about their truck/car and leave. There really
isn't much on the net for Ranchero folks. It shouldn't be a
problem for us to admin it, I don't expect high volume postings.

Let me know,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

YOU THE MAN!!! It is up to you, you never know. What did you expect when you
started with trucks? Just remember...too many irons in the fire and some
fires will grow cold....ex. not having any time for your own truck.

Ken L.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:39:02 -0700
From: terry &JC
Subject: FTE Pre61 - caddy motor

I guess you could spend whatever to build the ultimate Killer Cad, but
for under $1000, you can make a plenty mean kid, my point is don't take
magazine build ups to seriously, the're kind of like the mega buck customs you
see featured, they show you what you could do, not what you probably ought to
do.

47 Fred

you got that right. the thing they leave out a lot is they have access to a
complete machine shop and machinists that have been creating speed products
from pieces of raw steel for the last 30 years. they also leave out the part
about only 2 shops in the entire world that produce caddy speed equipment
and a very limited and costly supply at that. if you farm all of this out it
is like buying your truck a piece at a time from a vendor catalogue. it can
be done if you want your vehicle to retail out at 30-40k.
the great thing is there is a lot of all kinds of speed equipment laying
around swapmeets and garages that someone got hot for and never used. its....

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