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pre61-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 147



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Distributer
FTE Pre61 - Oil Additives
FTE Pre61 - engines, and a big howdy!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Oil Additives
Re: FTE Pre61 - engines, and a big howdy!
FTE Pre61 - The elusive 49 panel
FTE Pre61 - Defroster Ducts
FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:04:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Distributer

Thanks for the ideas. They gave me something to do over the long
weekend. I pulled the cam and checked it on a gear checker at work.
Looked good so I put it between
centers and checked it for runout. Everything runs true within .002.
Would that be enough to cause problems? I didn't think so but is
possible. New gear on the dist. but could still be that. I took the
dist. apart and checked it. Shaft runs true within .0005 and turns
freely. Even tried putting it in an oven and heating it up to see if it
would bind when it got warm. No luck. The timing chain seems to check
okay too. It only has about 4 hrs. running time on it. Oil pump seems to
check out okay. Took it apart to see what it looked like and was fine.
Does anyone know what the spring pressure should be for the bypass? I
thought about a solid drive pin, but chose to go with a roll pin again
so it would still be the weak link and shear off. I didn't even know it
sheared off this last time until the next time I went to run it. I had
it running fine. Shut it off and when I came back to it it wouldn't
run.

Thanks again for the ideas
Mike
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:28:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Oil Additives

I just finished reading the article on oil additives and had to add my
two cents worth. I tried Slick 50 in a Dodge caravan with a 3.0 liter
V6. At the time I had about 50000 miles on it and wasn't having any
problems. No smoking or burning oil. I put in the Slick 50 at the
recommendation of a good friend and by 55000 miles was I ever sorry.
All of a sudden I was using oil and pumping smoke out the exhaust. Now
it's possible my motor was just going bad, but I then used some Rislone
with my oil to clean the engine out and most of the problems went away.
The oil has always been changed between 2000 and 2500 miles. I put in a
quart of Rislone every other oil change and had no more problems. I just
sold the van with 110000 miles and it is still running fine. It seems to
me that there is a lot of hype on oil additives and if truth be known
that regular oil changes and maintenence are worth more then any
additive.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 26 May 98 09:02:57 -0500
From: hugh_lapenotiere ftdetrck-ccmail.army.mil
Subject: FTE Pre61 - engines, and a big howdy!

Mornin' everyone!

Let me quickly introduce myself. My name is Hugh LaPenotiere from
Harpers' Ferry, WV. and I have a '56 F-100 named EmyLou. I am in the
early (read as very early) stages of bringing my girl back from near
death. I had the pleasure of meeting Ken at the Supernationals, but
unfortunately could not work it out to meet others in attendance.

Anyway, without going in great detail about my feelings on brand
swapping, the Caddy swap is appealing because the engine is a good
design, and it is very light. The Caddy only weighs 50 lbs. more than
a small block ch*vy. I believe this is well over 100 lbs. lighter
than a 460. The Caddy engine as it sits is not suitable as a good
"hot rod"engine. It was designed for high torque, low rpm operation.
"Street Rod" is currently running a series on modifying the Caddy for
more high rpm power, and the modifications are extensive. I mght add
that a lot of the donor parts are from a Ford 460! If anyone is
interested, I have the articles and could provide copies of them.

So, good to meet everyone. I am hoping to utilize the vast expertise
of those present on this list in my continueing efforts to make EmyLou
the beutyful machine she once was.

'56 EmyLou & Hugh


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:03:07 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Oil Additives

At 07:28 AM 5/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I just finished reading the article on oil additives and had to add my
>two cents worth. I tried Slick 50 in a Dodge caravan with a 3.0 liter
>V6. At the time I had about 50000 miles on it and wasn't having any
>problems. No smoking or burning oil. I put in the Slick 50 at the
>recommendation of a good friend and by 55000 miles was I ever sorry.
>All of a sudden I was using oil and pumping smoke out the exhaust. Now
>it's possible my motor was just going bad, but I then used some Rislone
>with my oil to clean the engine out and most of the problems went away.
>The oil has always been changed between 2000 and 2500 miles. I put in a
>quart of Rislone every other oil change and had no more problems. I just
>sold the van with 110000 miles and it is still running fine. It seems to
>me that there is a lot of hype on oil additives and if truth be known
>that regular oil changes and maintenence are worth more then any
>additive.
>Mike

Check out the link to the famous "Snake Oil" article on the
web site (in the "News/Info" section).

Ken Payne

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:08:19 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - engines, and a big howdy!

hugh_lapenotiere ftdetrck-ccmail.army.mil wrote:

> Anyway, without going in great detail about my feelings on brand
> swapping, the Caddy swap is appealing because the engine is a good
> design, and it is very light. The Caddy only weighs 50 lbs. more than
> a small block ch*vy. I believe this is well over 100 lbs. lighter
> than a 460. The Caddy engine as it sits is not suitable as a good
> "hot rod"engine. It was designed for high torque, low rpm operation.
> "Street Rod" is currently running a series on modifying the Caddy for
> more high rpm power, and the modifications are extensive.

A lot of guys get to reading Hot Rod, and such and from those stories
you get to thinking high performance means 10,000 RPM and so on, so they buy a
cam that makes its power from 3,000 up, spend a bucket on a single plane intake
with twin 4 bbls, and so on, then discover that on the street, a bunch of
pimply kids blows the doors off pride and joy with a 4 banger Omni. Kind of
like the Boss 429 cars. Street means torque, and more precisely, torque
at about 2000 to 3000 rpm, and guess what makes more torque than just about
anybody. The Caddy motor needs a mild cam, a good dual plane manifold and a
vacuum secondary 4 bbl, free flowing exhaust and a lot of fresh air. You hardly
ever need more than 5500 rpm in a street truck, and with a 3.70 rear gear,
this stump puller will yank a '50 truck up to light speed between stop lights,
smoking them all the way, run regular gas and still cruse at 70mph running
about 2700 rpm. The combination of light weight and heavy grunt is what makes
it work.
I guess you could spend whatever to build the ultimate Killer Cad, but
for under $1000, you can make a plenty mean kid, my point is don't take
magazine build ups to seriously, the're kind of like the mega buck customs you
see featured, they show you what you could do, not what you probably ought to
do.

47 Fred

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:25:46 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - The elusive 49 panel

Lately around Waynesboro I have spotted an earlier than my 55 primered
panel. Luckily, I followed it home yesterday, and found that a local
who owns a body shop has this nice 49 panel, 390 automatic.
Someone added a feature line to the center of the hood, front to back,
and he is looking for a "normal" hood. If anyone knows of a nice hood
within range of Virginia to fit the 49, pls let me know and I'll pass it
along.
Thanks, Paul

55 Panel named "Code Blue" (as in meat wagon, get it?)
53 Pickup named "No longer a snowplow, thanks to a 15/16 socket and a
Volare front end"
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:39:53 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Defroster Ducts

The 53 I bought has a nice set of VDO gauges installed in a billet alum
dash panel. This leads to a problem I had to a lesser degree when I
installed the 78 Ford gauge pod in my 55 panel: what do you do to the
drivers side defroster duct when using anything but stock dash gauges?

The dash curves almost on a collision course with the back of the top
left instrument panel gauge, leaving almost no space there (only) even
with the stock cluster. These gauges are a good inch+ deeper than
stock, leaving no space for the metal duct.

Question: The 56 metal duct is different fm the 53-55, and looks
"squishier". Does anyone know if the 56 duct will line up with the 53
dash?

How have you guys dealt with this? I'm sure some of you must run
upgraded gauges in the 53-55 dash. The previous owner of the 53 just
didn't use the duct, which seems rough.

In my panel's case, the 78 Ford dash intruded just a little into the
metal duct area, so I cut out a square fm that area and covered it
loosely with...(what else?) duct tape! Works fine.
Paul Gayda

Just curious: is this a problem with 56 dashes? It looks like there is
more room in it.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:35:30 -0400
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carlisle and vacuum wipers

Howard and others:
I am going to the Carlisle truck Nats. Went last year (on Sat.) bought
a lot of stuff I needed. This year going Fri. and Sat. Will buy more
stuff I need. I highly recommend it to any truck lover. But then again
I'm not afraid to spell "Chevy" without using an asterisk(*).
It's a great place to shop, compare, look and learn and enjoy.
Howard, I'll look for you and your '55. Good luck!
VACUUM WIPERS: I remember riding in my Dad's '48 Chevy 5 window 3/4 ton
pickup in the rain waiting for him to shift so the wipers would work so
I could see. My '54 Ford which I have had for 20 years has electric
wipers. It is a pretty basic, stripped down model, not a custom (or
deluxe)cab. So I thought all mid-50's Fords had electric wipers. Once
again I learned something from this great list service!
Does anyone out there have figures from Ford as to how many trucks were
F-100's, 250's,etc. How many were Deluxe cabs, how many were V-8's,etc
by year? How many had electric wipers vs vacuum? Would the
specifications manuals have these figures?
Abe Stauffer
'54 F-100 from PA (only 2 hours from Carlisle)
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