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pre61-list-digest Thursday, May 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 141

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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1960 and Older trucks and vans
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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Ultimate Engine Swaps
FTE Pre61 - Ford Trucks
FTE Pre61 - 460 Ford
FTE Pre61 - 501 Caddy engine
Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice
FTE Pre61 - "Improved" Fords
FTE Pre61 - vacuum wipers
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: 12 to 6 Volts
Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice
Re: FTE Pre61 - "Improved" Fords
Re: FTE Pre61 - Ultimate Engine Swaps
Re: FTE Pre61 - "Improved" Fords
Re: FTE Pre61 - 460 Ford
Re: FTE Pre61 - 501 Caddy engine
FTE Pre61 - Directional signal wiring
FTE Pre61 - Wanted! Wing Window surrounds '50 F-1
FTE Pre61 - Fwd: tilt front ends
Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:51:17 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ultimate Engine Swaps

Hey, T-bird! You would have appreciated a couple of nicely done engine
swaps (One of them non-Ford) I saw at Pigeon Forge. The non-Ford was a very
clean Mopar hemi complete with the chrome spark plug covers on the rocker
covers. If it hadn't said "Power by Chrysler" or something to that effect,
I would have walked away thinking it was a Ford engine I hadn't seen
before.
That said, however, by far the most impressive engine was about 50 feet
away. Nestled in between the wheel wells of a truck I cannot describe,
because my eyes were riveted on the engine, was a Ford 427 SOHC. I have
never seen one before, and it's a safe guess that engine will run away from
the most potent Cadillac 500 you could build. I KNOW it'll beat a Caddy 500
for just pure looks alone!
Of course, I realise the 427 Cammer rests in a price range far beyond the
resources of mere mortals like myself. I just hope that when I get the
opportunity to embarass some teenybopper in my '59 Impala, I don't throw a
rod!
By the way, do any of you guys and gals know how I can convince my wife
Grover NEEDS 3 dueces and a warmed over Y-block? I tried to tell her the
other two carbs were spares, but she wouldn't buy it!

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:39:36 -0400
From: "bill daly"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ford Trucks

Hi, Ms. Edsall and a special hello to your class, too. Guess you all must
be very excited that school is about finished for the year.
Congratulations!

I heard from Mrs. Payne from the Ford Truck Enthusiasts web page and e-mail
list that you are interested in the history of Ford trucks and I thought I
would share with you why I think my particular truck is special.

"Louise" is a 1953 F-250, which means she's a 3/4 ton. What's remarkable
about the trucks that came out in 1953 is that Ford Motor Company truck
sales hadn't been doing so well since the end of WWII. They decided to try
and improve sales by making a determined effort to improve their design,
both mechanically and how the truck looked.

Ford Motor Company had been successful in the past by keeping design changes
to a minimum, but things were changing rapidly in America then, and Ford
decided to respond to the people's apparent need for innovation and change.

Ford put their best thinkers on the project and came up with the 1953 model
to celebrate their 50th anniversary. The fact that "Louise" is a 50th
anniversary truck also makes her special to me.

One of the major changes Ford made was to make the cab, where the driver and
passengers sit, more "user friendly." They put the controls and guages near
the driver, and made the seats more comfortable, among other things. Before
that, nobody thought about comfort as an option for a truck. After all,
trucks were for work, not comfort :).

I think this particular truck is especially beautiful and kind of feminine
looking, too. You see, I'm a woman, learning about how to work on engines
with "Louise" and my friends from Ford Truck Enthusiasts.

Good luck to you all, and have a wonderful summer.

Sincerely,

Jan McLaughlin

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:44:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 460 Ford

Sounds like T-bird Terry was winning the battle but lost the war.!!!
Sorry to read about your motor but I think you'll like the 460. I've got
the same in my 55
and only have one problem. I keep shearing off the pin that locates the
drive gear on the distributer.I've tried another oil pump and same
results. It'll run fine for months and then all at once it dies. Anybody
have any ideas?
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:58:19 -0500
From: Wesley Ashworth
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 501 Caddy engine

I happen to have two 73 caddy eldo's and one is strictly for parts.
It's got a 501 motor with around 35,000 mi on it. I'll take $250 (what I
paid for the car) if you come and get it out. It's about 30 miles east of
Memphis, Tn.

Wesley Ashworth
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55 F100 named "Truck" :)
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[] > Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:36:53 -0700
> From: jc & terry
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice
>
> thought it was time to give some of the whiners a chance to rejoice. ol'
> T-bird Terry was cranking some smoke at a redlight the other day just to
> wacth the bewildered looks of the pimpled face little boys in the mustang
> 5.0 next to him and as he hit a fishtailin' third gear , KABLOOEY, number
> 4
> rod exited through the cast iron of the small block chevy and left me to
> pull the "old red dog" 59 to the side of the road and wait for the tow
> truck. now what to do? started checking the papers for another sbc or a
> bbc
> and nothing to be had. noticed a pile of fomoco motors of all vintages and
> sizes, a very unusual sight, and my eye caught a blip that said "77 460
> and
> c-6, hear it run, $400". mighty tempting i thought. big block power and a
> workable price. now i'm checking the availability of motor mounts( ford to
> chevy front clip). tranny is no big deal. may run the bbf for a year or so
> till i can put together the ultimate change over "500 ci caddy". lot of
> time
> and money to be spent there. oh well, thats what i love about my truck.
> doin' what others don't. see chevy, ford, chrysler, it doesn't matter. if
> the price is right and you get what you want, let others whine and leave
> the
> driving to us. i'll let you know how the 460 runs out. you keep us posted
> on
> your next whine. i'm just glad i could give you guys a few minutes to
> gloat
> over the sbc biting the dust. before you break your arm patting yourself
> on
> the back i have to tell you i had the 5.0 daylighted by the time i hit
> 2nd
> and by 21/2 cars when she went. oh well, now it's just another b.s. story
> i
> can tell to my grandkids. 460 here i come.
>
> T-bird Terry []
>
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:22:09 -0400
From: 47 Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice

jc & terry wrote:

> T-bird Terry was cranking some smoke at a redlight the other day just to
> wacth the bewildered looks of the pimpled face little boys in the mustang
> 5.0 next to him and as he hit a fishtailin' third gear , KABLOOEY, number 4
> rod exited through the cast iron of the small block chevy and left me to
> pull the "old red dog" 59 to the side of the road and wait for the tow
> truck. now what to do? before you break your arm patting yourself on
> the back i have to tell you i had the 5.0 daylighted by the time i hit 2nd
> and by 21/2 cars when she went. oh well, now it's just another b.s. story i
> can tell to my grandkids. 460 here i come.
>

Gee TB, at first I thought, HA HA told you so, and then I thought of how much
work it is to swap out a motor, being at the time still picking dirt out of my
ears from putting a new set of mufflers and replacing a shredded transmission
mount in my '79 302 'Stang. I just had to feel sorry for you, here it is spring
and all, finally can get on the road with some toy iron and bam. Still I don't
agree with dropping in the 460, I mean it's ok, but its just plain jane and way
below par. Look it over, you've got to change the motor mounts, maybe the 3rd
crossmenber, the driveshaft, probably the radiator and 1/2 the wiring. The
exhaust is all different, maybe interfence with the steering, if you've got
power steering, the pump pressure may be different or the hose connections
wrong. If you've got to go thru all that why not go the other step and put in
the 500 now? If you want the ride back quick, you can't tell me there's not a
cheap 305 laying around somewhere that maybe won't boil the hides, but will run
thru the summer while you build a 500. My 5 cents, if you want a rod, make it
an odd rod. 350/350 be damned.

47 Fred

ps: you'd be missing 2 or 3 rods if you'd daylighted my 5.0.

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:50:17 -0600
From: "Piegat, Tim"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - "Improved" Fords

I've listened to the ongoing exchange about how Ford trucks can be improved, but
the last posting by T-Bird Terry has finally overcome my sensible self
reservation. I've formed several impressions by reading the postings, and the
first is that Terry seems to be a pretty nice guy. Second, I'd guess he knows
his machines pretty well. When he's posted some of his opinions, I've felt that
others have taken some "cheap shots" at him. I need to take issue with the
latest posting, however, because it carries the flavor of "I'm right, and anyone
who doesn't agree with me is wrong". I think there are a few additional facts
that have been left out of the discussion, so here goes:
No doubt bowties are a good investment from a "dollars per street horsepower"
perspective. This is a typical argument that's advanced by proponents of this
brand: select some obscure category and claim it's the best. Well: here's some
categories: There's simply no way that gm has put anything on the track street
until the recent 4 cam corvette that equals the power or sophistication of the
SOHC 427 or the Boss 429. I'd like to see the list of gm wins at Indy or LeMans.
Anyone can pick some obscure category to prove their favorite is best.
When I was young and followed Pro Stockers, Mopar Hemis dominated. The NHRA
decided to add weight to them to "increase crowd appeal". Then Cleveland Fords
dominated, so they needed some weight, too. Even Ramblers got into the act, and
got their reward. Finally, everybody had to carry enough weight so the brand
that always won had crowd appeal.
Hod Rod Magazine taught hot rodders to believe that bowties were the "engine of
the future". No matter that Y Blocks, (which supposedly "couldn't breathe") lead
the pack in NASCAR, Pike's Peak and Daytona in '57. Why have sanctioning bodies
and the publishers consistently favored a certain brand? Some might say that
it's because that brand is "best". Having been involved in the policies of large
companies for part of my career, I can tell you that this favoritism is as
attributable to technical superiority as it is to the tooth fairy. However, I
suspect that some people did find money under their pillow in the process.
I believe Ford is best, so I participate in Ford related websites to talk about
Fords with others who like them, too. There's no shortage of "brand x" related
places for those who like them. There are even places for general discussions.
The reason we are here is because it DOES matter whether it's "chevy, ford,
chrysler". As long as I'm on a Ford site, I'm not going to apologize to anyone
for liking Fords best.
Terry, I'm sure you know your machines very well, but to get on a Ford site and
try to convince us that we are all wet because we prefer Ford motors is a little
too much. The tone of your last posting reminds me of the juror who claimed that
he'd never met 11 more obstinate people in his life. I take no pleasure in
hearing that anyone's motor pitched a rod. You are certainly entitled to your
opinions. But when we Ford people refuse to agree that other brands are better,
make sure you aren't guilty of the whining you seem to see in others, OK?
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:31:43 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: FTE Pre61 - vacuum wipers

Ray C. wrote

>I just bought a mint vacuum wiper motor with all the linkages at a swap
>meet for $20 to be part of converting my 54 cabover to 12 volts.

Here we go again Ray. My 56 had elec. wipers and they only worked on one
speed, Bob and I parted out a 79 Ford p/u a couple of years ago and the parts
from this truck has been a gold mine for my 56. I used parts of the wiring
harness on my 56. The point I am getting ready to make is the elec. wiper
motor can be adapted to the 56 with relitive ease. I first fabricated a new
mounting plate for the wiper motor using the old one for a template, and put a
bend in it like the old one, next I marked the mounting holes for the 79 wiper
motor, and drilled them. next I had to reindex the bellcrank on the wiper
motor so the wipers would park correctly. That was all there was to replacing
it, now I have intermittent wipers as a bonus, I just added the intermittent
switch and the timer box, they plugged right into the 79 wiring harness. You
can still use this wiper motor with the stock harness just by consulting a
wiring diagran. These motors are much poiwerfull and more efficent that the
stock ones. I know you said 54, but I am just as sure if I did this to my 56
that you could mount the elec. wiper motor under the dash of your 54 in a
like manner.

Michelle
Chell's 56 Hauler
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sonic.net wrote:
>
> Dan wrote:
>
> >I built the N7806 Reg. and installed it in my '53 F100. It produces a
> >
> >rock solid 6V. However a fully charged 6V system should be close to
> >7V. I think my fuel gauge reads low. I think an adjustable regulator
> >
> >would be a better choice.
>
> And Ken wrote:
>
> >Steve , is there a N7807?
> >
> >Ken L
>
> No, there isn't a 7807. And You can buy adjustable regulators...
> However, the 7806 is easily adjusted if desired. (-:
>
> If You take a 1N4002 diode and insert it between the ground lead of
> the regulator and system ground, it will fool the regulator into putting
> out 6.6 volts instead of 6 volts. If You stack 2 diodes in series it will
> raise the output voltage to 7.2 volts. 3 diodes would give 7.8volts...
> The diodes are available at radio shack, $.49 for 2 pcs.
>
> *PLEASE NOTE* If you use the diodes in series with the ground lead, You MUST
> use insulating hardware to keep the case of the regulator from being grounded
> to the heatsink (or anything else).
>
> I put the circuit for a 6.6 volt regulator up at:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/6v6reg.jpg
>
>
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
>
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
> -- Hunter S. Thompson
>
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Hi Steve, I just built two 7806 regulators, one for my fuel gauge and
one for the Temp. & Oil pressure. The Oil pressure gauge works fine, but
the Temp. gauge works well on the warm up, but continues all the way up
to hot. I know my truck is not overheating. The Fuel gauge works slowly
but goes all the way to full and stays there. what are the allowable
voltages for these gauges and how can I calibrate them????
Gary
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:44:57 -0500
From: Rich Garber
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice

oh well, thats what i love about my truck.
>doin' what others don't. see chevy, ford, chrysler, it doesn't matter. if
>the price is right and you get what you want, let others whine and leave the
>driving to us.

Agreed, At least its American! What really erks me, is that people complain
about putting a chevy motor in a Ford truck, but they will not hesitate
to by a reproduced overseas (low quality) parts! When will the maddness
stop! Say NO to overseas Parts! Send them back! Demand Quality!

There I better now.

Rich
54 F100
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:42:40 EDT
From: TNickolson
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - "Improved" Fords

"KUDOS" to Mr. Tim Piegat. Well written and almost says it all.

Tom
52 F1, Flathead
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:44:28 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Ultimate Engine Swaps

Don & Teresa Neighbors wrote:
...snip...

That said, however, by far the most impressive engine was about 50 feet

> away. Nestled in between the wheel wells of a truck I cannot describe,
> because my eyes were riveted on the engine, was a Ford 427 SOHC. I have
> never seen one before, and it's a safe guess that engine will run away from
> the most potent Cadillac 500 you could build. I KNOW it'll beat a Caddy 500
> for just pure looks alone!

Interesting side note on the caddy engine, the only way to make them perform up to
par is to add
an intake that works, and the intake of choice for caddy's is a 4bl intake from the
429/460 family.

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:31:02 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 460 Ford

Better check that oil pan!!!! Odds are that there is some foreign objects
there, most likely dried oil seals that have hardened and broke off and ended
up in the oil pan. Be sure to take off the pickup tube and clean the screen
out also. I'm speaking from experience because that very thing happened with
my 460 in my Lincoln Mark 4.

Happy hunting, Ken L.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:32:38 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 501 Caddy engine

Welsey, I like the name. "Truck"

Ken L.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:56:05 EDT
From: Lookn4iron
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Directional signal wiring

In a continuing attempt to get my friends project 1950 F-1 on the road we
have become frustrated in connecting the wiring to the new tailights so
that brake and directional will work when they are activated together.

Looking for a circuit diagram so that we "shade tree" mechanics could
bumble our way through it. The aftermarket directional switch is a
"Turnflex Yorker" manufactured in Connecticut.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:56:03 EDT
From: Lookn4iron
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wanted! Wing Window surrounds '50 F-1

New to the list so I'm not certain of the posting policy (if their is
one) with respect to buying/selling parts.

I'm helping a friend with his new acquisition a 1950 F-1 "project" truck.
He needs the vent or wing window surrounds (has the glass) for the
vehicle. Any ideas as to sources new and used. We live in NW Nevada
near South Lake Tahoe.

Bill M.
Gardnerville, NV
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:35:07 EDT
From: KLaff61624
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: tilt front ends

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Subject: Re: tilt front ends
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John, I don't have the means to send pictures yet and don't know enough about
how to use my computer to attach a drawing, much less drawing it with the
computer. I assume that you saw the crome or stainless steel brackets that
tilt the fronts at the show? To make a crude example all you need is a piece
of metal shaped like a L . If you can bear with me imagine that located at
the botton end opposite the 90 degree of the L is a piviot point. The L
should face backwards. You then need to attach a line from the L that faces
backwards, at the piviot point and go straight down (this will be your
operating lever). You now have a rough shape of the attaching bracket that
provides the tilt. The top of the bracket attaches to your fiberglass and
the bottom of your bracket will attach to a cable that is attached to your
frame at a stationary point. As the jacks move the fiberglass out from the
cab the entire bracket moves with the jacks and fiberglass. At the point when
your fiberglass clears the bottom of your cab, you should have no remaining
slack on your cables ( last post I said have slack--to allow the fender
portion to clear the cab). The cable now will pull on the levers as the
jacks continue to move outward, causing the levers to rotate backward on the
bottom, and the top will rotate forward where it attaches to your fiberglass
frontend . The mounting brackets needs to attach to the peice of metal that
you welded across the front of your jacks which moves outward, and needs to
attach on that piece of metal by the piviot point of the mounting brackets.
Make sure that the operating lever will move backward and the top of your
bracket will move forward. I'll stop here and see if you have any questions.

Ken L.

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:09:35 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - whiners may rejoice

In addition to old trucks my love is my family and NASCAR. In fact, most
door bangin with fenders on it. Sorry, dont care much for indy car or cart
stuff.

I used to motor around the dirt tracks of wisconsin ON a frame that was
BODIED by GM. Used Monte Carlo sheet metal and therefore had to use small
block chevy. In all my years of doing that stuff I never ran into anyone
who had any success with anything other than a genuine FORD 9" rear end.

Now back to NASCAR. If the truth were really known, GM would never win the
manufacturers championship because there is a 9" ford under every car.
Even the King and the Dale both need Ford to get where they need to be on
that last lap.

As for my 55, it is a Ford and will stay a Ford. Stock is Stock.

I would not hesitate for a moment to run a 4bolt Chevy small block if I
ever did another truck that was less than stock. It would also have a 9"
for rear.

Sorry for the sermon. I just needed to share my thought process and
experience.

Howard

ps. doing the old 55 hurts less than going fast and turning left. I have
not hit any walls with the truck. My wife is much more content with me in
a vehicle with no seat belt than one with a Simpson harness too!!
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> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:44 PM
>
> oh well, thats what i love about my truck.
> >doin' what others don't. see chevy, ford, chrysler, it doesn't matter.
if
> >the price is right and you get what you want, let others whine and leave
the
> >driving to us.
>
> Agreed, At least its American! What really erks me, is that people
complain
> about putting a chevy motor in a Ford truck, but they will not hesitate
> to by a reproduced overseas (low quality) parts! When will the maddness
> stop! Say NO to overseas Parts! Send them back! Demand Quality!
>
> There I better now.
>
> Rich
> 54 F100
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