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pre61-list-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 137



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1960 and Older trucks and vans
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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report
FTE Pre61 - Tilt columns
FTE Pre61 - Vacuum wiper motors
FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info
RE: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE Pre61 - 60's Mustang Web Sites
RE: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info
Re: FTE Pre61 - Vacuum wiper motors
FTE Pre61 - Warning.....warning
FTE Pre61 - Events in Michigan area
FTE Pre61 - Missed Azie!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Warning.....warning

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:30:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report

Here's the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals report:

- - 31 list members showed up. One member came from New Zealand! That's
dedication!
- - Many photos taken! These will show up on the web site to arouse
a sense of jealousy (heh heh) in those who didn't attend. This
should increase the attendence next year! I took pictures that
represent every list catagory.
- - In the "I've died and gone to heaven" catagory: 427 SOHC, very rare,
beautiful sound (and very loud, you could hear it for a mile).
brrammmmm, brammmmmmm, brapppppp, brammm...... waaaaaa hoooooo!
- - Group photo was taken Saturday around 11. Most members where in it.
This will appear on the web site.
- - A new sense of direction, many of us sat down and talked about the
future of FTE. Expect us to be an "official club" soon (lists will
always be free). The future looks good.
- - I think those who attended will agree that it brought a real sense
of unity to our group.
- - Pat Ford, the show organizer, treated us extremely well. We had a
booth, inside (A/C!), right inside the front door. We had the best
location in the entire show. To those who have Pat's number, please
call him and thank him!
- - 350+ brochures given out!
- - Universal agreement from 61-79 list members who attended that Deacon
will be at next year's show, even if we have to tie him to the wing
of a plane! Deacon's presence was sorely missed!
- - Interest from vendors in sponsoring us.
- - We received an award for club participation! Hopefully this is
the first of many! I'm going to scan it in and put it on the
web site. Although it will hang on my wall.... we all deserve it!
- - We really are a first class group, it was really nice that many of
you were able to contribute to the "thank Pat Ford" fund. We had
a really nice engraved glass plaque made for Pat, using the 20th
F100 Supernationals t-shirt design for it with "From Ford Truck
Enthusiasts" on the bottom.
- - Many friendships solidified. The best part, to me, was being
able to finally meet so many of my friends for the first time.
A special thanks to those list members who've been lurkers
who read and are learning but hasn't been active posters. It's
its nice to know that you like us enough to travel to meet
everyone.
- - Parts, parts, parts.... and, you guess it, more parts.
- - Again, Deacon, you had to be there! I made sure I took many
photos of 73-79 trucks to give you a good reason to be there
next year!
- - I think we made a great impression with Pat Ford and let the
world know how nice our members are!

In attendance (let me know if I miss anyone, sorry for any
incorrect spelling):

Stu Varner Kristen Marcellus
Peggy Payne Ken Payne
Keith Srb Stephen Silverthorn
Barry Price Dan Herrmann
John Miller Ken Laffon
John Nioloni Paul Gayda
Jay Arnold Gary Bowling
Jeff Hoffman Jack M Hollback
Alan Akerstrom Hugh LaPenotiere
Michael Lowery Randall Dotson
Ted Freeman Don & Terri Neighbors (Grover!)
oftc choice.net (sorry, but I can't read your writing!)
Clive Pedersen (from New Zealand!) Clare Waterman
Jeff Bogart William G. Wood (Woody)
Brian Forbes Charlie Powell
Derek Hall

To those who've sent me email or have a problem needing to
be resolved, please be patient, I had 1428 emails waiting
for me Sunday night and another 180+ this morning. I will
get around to everything, but its going to take some time.
Please don't send multiple requests, it only makes it harder
on me and the wife.

I wish to take this opportunity to sincerely thank everyone
who attended. I really appreciate it!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:44:19 -0000
From: "Trent Shirley"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Tilt columns

>> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:50:21 -0600
>> From: Ryan Dorman
>> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Tilt Steering column
>>
>> Hit your local junk yard & grab a tilt column out of an escort...
>> It may sound strange but trust me it works and you get to run a ford
column.
>> Plust the escort column has a ujoint setup already in place wich makes
it
>> easy to route thru the fire wall to your stearing box... I would
recomend
>> waiting till you get the new front end before changeing stearing
column..
>> Ray Cardogno wrote:
>>
>>

Sounds like what I was looking for. Has to be the right length and attach
to the
steering box easily.

Why though do you suggest waiting for the new front end? Obviously it
would save
some effort but my thought is to get the smaller projects taken care of
before the
front end switch next year. Unless that would pose major problems later I
would
prefer to get it done now. Then my truck will be off the road as short a
time as
possible.

BTW: Any specific years that are best for the escort columns and what else
might be
needed to support things like turn signals?

Later. Trent

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:47:28 -0000
From: "Trent Shirley"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Vacuum wiper motors

Hi everyone,

I have a 60 F-100 and whenever I accelerate my wiper motor stops.
This is a real problem in the rain when I am moving into traffic or
entering the highway.

Is there a fix for this sort of thing? Electric replacements for the
vacuum motors?
I asked a mechanic about adding a vacuum reservoir and he said it wouldnt
make much of a difference. Is this accurate?

Currently the truck has a 70's 300ci straight six engine. I will
eventually be switching over to a 302 v8.

Whats the best road to resolution on these?

later. Trent
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:20:39 -0400
From: "Paul G."
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info

Does anyone know how much free play is in a new steering box? My 55
panel has about 6" of free play around the diameter of the 18" wheel, so
I roughly figure about 35 degrees.

Any info appreciated.

Paul G.

PS I enjoyed the show; was there from Thurs PM to Sat lunch time. I
thank the Lord for the nice weather.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:32:52 -0400
From: "Tarnoff, Howard"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info

Paul,

I have the same amount of play but only to the left. It reminds me of a
60's vintage Lincoln when one side of the steering pump died. I can only
assume that this is not normal but don't know what is.

We were told that a rebuilt box was put in but I now find that quite
doubtful.

Let me know what you find out.

Howard

> ----------
> From: Paul G.[SMTP:thegman cfw.com]
> Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 3:20 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info
>
> Does anyone know how much free play is in a new steering box? My 55
> panel has about 6" of free play around the diameter of the 18" wheel, so
> I roughly figure about 35 degrees.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Paul G.
>
> PS I enjoyed the show; was there from Thurs PM to Sat lunch time. I
> thank the Lord for the nice weather.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:28:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Milestone

Another FTE milestone!

Last week we had our 200,000th visitor on the web site. Our first
100,000 visitors took 11 months, our second 100,000 took less than
4 months!

Thanks everyone!
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:52:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 60's Mustang Web Sites

At 02:29 PM 5/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I still have my '52 F-1, but I bought a '67 Mustang fastback to fix up and
>give to my son when he graduates next year. Does anyone have the address of
>any good Mustang sites or a digest site similar to this one?
>

Check out Fordnatics on our links page. They just started
a new list to replace the now defunct 5.0 Mustange list.

Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:14:32 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info

>Paul,
>
>I have the same amount of play but only to the left. It reminds me of a
>60's vintage Lincoln when one side of the steering pump died. I can only
>assume that this is not normal but don't know what is.
>
>We were told that a rebuilt box was put in but I now find that quite
>doubtful.
>
>Let me know what you find out.
>
>Howard
>
>> ----------
>> From: Paul G.[SMTP:thegman cfw.com]
>> Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 3:20 PM
>> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Steering Box Info
>>
>> Does anyone know how much free play is in a new steering box? My 55
>> panel has about 6" of free play around the diameter of the 18" wheel, so
>> I roughly figure about 35 degrees.
>>
>> Any info appreciated.
>>
>> Paul G.

The box in the 52 with low miles that I am junking has about 1 inch :o Too
bad it won't fit the newer ones :( My 55 has about 2 inches, but it's a
F-500 truck.

Good luck guys,
Ray


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:39:53 -0500
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Vacuum wiper motors

>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a 60 F-100 and whenever I accelerate my wiper motor stops.
>This is a real problem in the rain when I am moving into traffic or
>entering the highway.
>
>Is there a fix for this sort of thing? Electric replacements for the
>vacuum motors?
>I asked a mechanic about adding a vacuum reservoir and he said it wouldnt
>make much of a difference. Is this accurate?
>
>Currently the truck has a 70's 300ci straight six engine. I will
>eventually be switching over to a 302 v8.
>
>Whats the best road to resolution on these?
>
>later. Trent

I may be adding more question than solution, but I have 2 trucks with vac
wipers and I was wondering if anyone knows if a combo fuel/vac pump exists
for the 54 and up Y-blocks? They do have these for other trucks and the
wipers get consistant vac regardless of manifold vac state.

Also it seems to me that a reservoir would help as you typically dont need
that much time of rapid exceleration, unlesss you live in a hilly area.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this.


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:21:26 -0400
From: "Proctor"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Warning.....warning

NOTICE;
THIS IS A VIRUS WARNING;
DO NOT OPEN IF YOU GET MAILTHAT READS;

WIN A VACATION

IT WILL EREASE EVERYTHING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE.

RICK


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:25:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Events in Michigan area

If someone can help this person (lwbeals voyager.net) it would be appreciated:

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We are in the Northern part of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan. I received
about 300 indexes on the web regarding 1951 Fords. Mostly found models for
sale. Called my friend and learned that the show he heard about was in Ohio.
He would really like to go to it but needs some advice as far as the best one
to go to. thanks for your response. If you are looking for anything special
please let me know. I am mostly into Chevy's but do run across Ford stuff when
looking. Also have a friend that has every engine that Ford ever built.
Thanks again.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:26:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Missed Azie!

Opps! Missed someone! Azie Ardmore (am14 chrysler.com) was also at
the F100 Supernationals.

Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:40:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Warning.....warning

At 11:21 AM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>NOTICE;
> THIS IS A VIRUS WARNING;
>DO NOT OPEN IF YOU GET MAILTHAT READS;
>
>WIN A VACATION
>
>IT WILL EREASE EVERYTHING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE.
>
>RICK
>

Our web site FAQ states:

Do not post messages warning about email viruses! These are bogus
and have no basis in reality. Posting such a warning causes enormous
"its fake!" traffic and will cause you to get immediately unsubscribed.

....Outta here....
Ken Payne....


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